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Re: Tangent Greenville 86' hi cube boxcar

George Eichelberger
 

My model of Southern 42534 just arrived. It is beautiful!

Let's hope Tangent decides to re-run these and do some additional numbers. If anyone did not get one, or wants more, drop Tangent a line expressing your interest. I will not be quick because they were produced in China but maybe they will produce more?

Ike
(What is this I have heard that Southeastern prototype models do not sell?)

Re: Tangent Greenville 86' hi cube boxcar

George Eichelberger
 

I received an email on the new car, ordered one, went back later to order more..they were gone. I just got a shipping notice, it may be here Monday? I ordered Sou 42534 before I realized I did not have photos of that car. Here is a photo of another car from the same NCP-181 order (Sou 42510-42604), Sou 42522 I took at Spartanburg, SC 5-1-87.

All of the hy-cube car assignments have not been researched in the archives. Here are the few NCP-181 entries available from the freight car data base (31,426 entries for Sou road numbers 1 to 50000). They were built for, and stayed in Ford service almost entirely.

Sou
42539

1/3/1982
released from auto service held at Hayne for auth. for modification for carrying pulpboard (roll paper) from Austell, GA and Jacksonville, FL
Sou
42546

6/16/1979
destroyed on SP at Tornillo, TX
Sou
42568

10/3/1982
in assignment to Ford Maumee Stamping Plant
Sou
42568

10/3/1982
in assignment to Ford Maumee Stamping Plant. Bulkhead fell in car 42973all similar cars to be checked
Sou
42596

10/3/1982
in assignment to Ford Maumee Stamping Plant
Sou
42596

10/3/1982
in assignment to Ford Maumee Stamping Plant. Bulkhead fell in car 42973all similar cars to be checked
Sou
42603

1/3/1982
released from auto service held at Hayne for auth. for modification for carrying pulpboard (roll paper) from Austell, GA and Jacksonville, FL


Ike

PS Selling out a Southeastern prototype was an “eye opener” for ExactRail when they did the 50’ “waffle box car”, this car may do the same for Tangent…they are located in Asheville after all!


On Aug 7, 2020, at 12:41 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


I hate to mention this late in the game, but no one mentioned the Tangent 86' Greenville autoparts boxcar model, just announced a few days ago. 

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/cpaa-original-1971-greenville-86-double-plug-door-box-car-copy-2/

I say that as the Southern cars sold out quickly, as well as a few other roadnames being offered.

Curt Fortenberry

Tangent Greenville 86' hi cube boxcar

Curt Fortenberry
 


I hate to mention this late in the game, but no one mentioned the Tangent 86' Greenville autoparts boxcar model, just announced a few days ago. 

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/cpaa-original-1971-greenville-86-double-plug-door-box-car-copy-2/

I say that as the Southern cars sold out quickly, as well as a few other roadnames being offered.

Curt Fortenberry

SOU coal hopper in chip service

Jim King
 

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Allen Cain
 

FWIW I reached out to Donnie Dixon and he is more than willing to furnish the decal artwork.

Allen Cain

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Allen Cain
 

Donnie and I communicated a lot while he was working on the decals and to the best of my knowledge he was meticulous in researching and getting these right.  He was kind enough to share his files with me.

Allen Cain

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Jason Greene
 

Yes, Donnie traced the Southern drawings in Corral As vector drawings. He did it letter by letter from full size drawings. Then scaled them to the proper size. Finally, he spaced the letters appropriately based on drawings, pictures, and field measurements. 

All of the attached were done using Donnie’s artwork. Printed using an ALPs machine.


Jason Greene 

On Jul 29, 2020, at 5:38 PM, rwbrv4 via groups.io <dccinstallssales@...> wrote:


OK thanks.
RB


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: rwbrv4 via groups.io <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

As I understand, they were created based upon drawings and then confirmed/updated with photographic evidence.

Dave

Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 6:15:34 AM, you wrote:


Dave help me out.  I remember when Donnie was actually doing this artwork but can't remember if he was doing it from original drawings or from photographs.  The older I get the distant in time memory gets cloudy.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: James <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals
James,

I have Donnie's artwork in original file format and in PDF.  It is available to anyone who wants it, as long as he gets credit for the effort of creating the vector files (not the artwork itself).  The problem was the expense of maintaining a web site.

Here is an example of light weight passenger car lettering  in N scale attached.  He also provided HO scale PDFs and the original in CorelDraw which can be set to any scale with the right software.

Dave

Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:31:35 PM, you wrote:


While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.




On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <
srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <
geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





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910-420-8106
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Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

rwbrv4
 

OK thanks.
RB


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: rwbrv4 via groups.io <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2020 5:08 pm
Subject: Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

As I understand, they were created based upon drawings and then confirmed/updated with photographic evidence.

Dave

Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 6:15:34 AM, you wrote:


Dave help me out.  I remember when Donnie was actually doing this artwork but can't remember if he was doing it from original drawings or from photographs.  The older I get the distant in time memory gets cloudy.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: James <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals
James,

I have Donnie's artwork in original file format and in PDF.  It is available to anyone who wants it, as long as he gets credit for the effort of creating the vector files (not the artwork itself).  The problem was the expense of maintaining a web site.

Here is an example of light weight passenger car lettering  in N scale attached.  He also provided HO scale PDFs and the original in CorelDraw which can be set to any scale with the right software.

Dave

Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:31:35 PM, you wrote:


While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.




On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <
srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <
geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



--
David Bott

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Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

A&Y Dave in MD
 

As I understand, they were created based upon drawings and then confirmed/updated with photographic evidence.

Dave

Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 6:15:34 AM, you wrote:


Dave help me out.  I remember when Donnie was actually doing this artwork but can't remember if he was doing it from original drawings or from photographs.  The older I get the distant in time memory gets cloudy.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: James <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals
James,

I have Donnie's artwork in original file format and in PDF.  It is available to anyone who wants it, as long as he gets credit for the effort of creating the vector files (not the artwork itself).  The problem was the expense of maintaining a web site.

Here is an example of light weight passenger car lettering  in N scale attached.  He also provided HO scale PDFs and the original in CorelDraw which can be set to any scale with the right software.

Dave

Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:31:35 PM, you wrote:


While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.




On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <
srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <
geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



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Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Allen Cain
 

If I recall correctly Donnie Dixon once offered the artwork for free to recap printers provided they have him credit on each sheet as the source.

Why not just reach out to him Ike and ask?

Seems like a way to expedite this.

Allen Cain

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

rwbrv4
 

Dave help me out.  I remember when Donnie was actually doing this artwork but can't remember if he was doing it from original drawings or from photographs.  The older I get the distant in time memory gets cloudy.

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...>
To: James <ModelingTheSouthern@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 9:58 pm
Subject: Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

James,

I have Donnie's artwork in original file format and in PDF.  It is available to anyone who wants it, as long as he gets credit for the effort of creating the vector files (not the artwork itself).  The problem was the expense of maintaining a web site.

Here is an example of light weight passenger car lettering  in N scale attached.  He also provided HO scale PDFs and the original in CorelDraw which can be set to any scale with the right software.

Dave

Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:31:35 PM, you wrote:


While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.




On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <
srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <
geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




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Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

A&Y Dave in MD
 

James,

I have Donnie's artwork in original file format and in PDF.  It is available to anyone who wants it, as long as he gets credit for the effort of creating the vector files (not the artwork itself).  The problem was the expense of maintaining a web site.

Here is an example of light weight passenger car lettering  in N scale attached.  He also provided HO scale PDFs and the original in CorelDraw which can be set to any scale with the right software.

Dave

Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 12:31:35 PM, you wrote:


While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.




On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <
srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <
geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




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Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

George Eichelberger
 

The Speedwitch 40’ Southern box car decals Ted produced were created using the drawings in the SRHA 40’ box car book. Because of that, and the quality of his printing and decal paper, I wholeheartedly recommend using them. (I can’t speak for Ted but I suspect his dedication to accuracy would cause him to ask “what is the source” if he was sent other artwork?)

Notice that the artwork for many of the sets Microscale has produced credit the source of the artwork. (Allen Tuten’s work on their CofG freight car sets are excellent examples. If I recall correctly, he credits the Central drawings the CGHS obtained from SRHA.)

Many of the decals on the market, or that have artwork published on the Internet are not made from railroad drawings. In this age of “prototype modeling”, why accept that unless there is no option? Rather than question the source of anyone’s artwork, it is not a huge effort to simply use the prototype drawings to create new artwork. That’s exactly how the deRAILcals sets were produced and could be repeated. (Unless that artwork could be purchased or licensed?)

If someone has artwork that can be used to produce decals, please do that! Modelers will purchase accuracy and quality.

Ike

On Jul 28, 2020, at 3:14 PM, Kyle Shannon via groups.io <trainsr6900=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hello Ike,

Another place to consider, though I’m not sure how much he would be interested in it, would be to see if Speedwitch Media (Ted Culotta) could produce them. He does good work and I know he does decals. I have some, but haven’t used them so I don’t know how “workable” they are (I only mention this as I have heard those who have taken the Donnie Dixon artwork to custom decal vendors have complained about the workability of the decals), but appear to be of a high quality.

If I wasn’t working on other projects, I would offer to create the artwork, or attempt it at least, but I want to stay focused on my other projects for now.

Kyle




On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 10:36 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Kyle Shannon
 

Hello Ike,

Another place to consider, though I’m not sure how much he would be interested in it, would be to see if Speedwitch Media (Ted Culotta)  could produce them. He does good work and I know he does decals. I have some, but haven’t used them so I don’t know how “workable” they are (I only mention this as I have heard those who have taken the Donnie Dixon artwork to custom decal vendors have complained about the workability of the decals), but appear to be of a high quality.

If I wasn’t working on other projects, I would offer to create the artwork, or attempt it at least, but I want to stay focused on my other projects for now.

Kyle




On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 10:36 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

James
 

Why not ask to use his artwork for new decals instead of reinventing the wheel and designing new artwork????
That would be extra work and expense to create something that already exists.


On Jul 28, 2020, at 14:35, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

James:

Your earlier posting was not “ignored”. What did you expect to happen?
What should I do when "It was available on his website which is now gone”?

James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

George Eichelberger
 

James:

Your earlier posting was not “ignored”. What did you expect to happen?
What should I do when "It was available on his website which is now gone”?





On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:31 PM, James <nsc39dash8@...> wrote:

While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for 
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.



On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





-- 
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...




James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

James
 

While I know my first response to this was ignored,  I will state again that Donnie Dixon has great artwork already available for light and heavyweight equipment.  It was available on his website which is now gone.  I have used both.

As for a decal printer, if Hubert Mask does not want to produce them then I suggest Highball Graphics.  He does good decals for 
mostly northeastern roads and shortlines.  Next would be Don Kolhberg with IGG decals, he has done Southern decals in the past.



On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:12, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?



On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





-- 
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...




James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

George Eichelberger
 

Fenton and Kevin Kell:

First…thanks for your input(s).

The SRHA BOD agrees that while the organization can help with any modeling project*, it needs to focus on organizing its archives. No matter how many people look at items on-line in the SRHA company store or how many train shows where we set up a sales table, that will not match the awareness, and sales, through train and hobby shops and established mail order dealers.

If any decal manufacturer is willing to take either drawings or photos as input, or wants camera ready artwork** to make and sell decals that’s perfectly OK and SRHA will help.

Ike

PS * SRHA acquired the Southern prototype ”WrightTrak” cars primarily with the intent to preserve their molds and masters but also to make cast parts available on a small scale. The pandemic, and an expensive quote from the first “caster” we talked to have delayed that project. Like with the decals, SRHA is willing to work with anyone capable of producing resin castings.

**I am told the person that produced the “deRAILcals” for Southern passenger cars is not interested in printing more. (produced from SRHA drawings). Does anyone know the individual that might ask if he is willing to sell his artwork?

On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:56 AM, O Fenton Wells <@srrfan> wrote:

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
@srrfan

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

Kevin Kell
 

Ike:
Excellent suggestion. Like you, I would purchase multiple sets.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:39 AM, George Eichelberger
<geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike

Re: Southern Lightweight Passenger Car Decals

O Fenton Wells
 

My $0.02 is the SRHA to provide the proper art work and then let the vendor do the printing and selling and maybe SRHA  buys x number of sets for the grab.The Southern is a good enough name for us not to be in the decal business.
Fenton

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:36 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
We recently had some discussion about lightweight pass car decals... As finding an existing source has not succeeded, it may be time to organize a project to produce sets for Southern modelers.

The attached memo is a note to the Hayne Shop Manager with a list of drawings fore the 1941 and 49 car orders. All except SP-5188 are available in the SRHA digital files. They offer an accurate starting point for someone to create the artwork to produce decals in any scale.

If anyone interested will contact me directly, we can attempt to put a plan together. As all of the drawings are from the SRHA archives, we need responses from SRHA members rather than simply make the series of drawings available to non-members. Of course, we would work with someone that has experience producing decals if they are not a member. Once the artwork is available, we can determine if/how much one of the custom decal folks would ask to do the printing. (We have worked with Mask Island Decakls in the past. I would suggest contacting Hubert Mask as soon as we have a plan.)

As SRHA does not want to compete with dealers, I don't see the organization buying a large quantity to stock and sell. We could, once details are known, ask people to pre-order sets to be shipped when they are available. As a Southern modeler, I know I will purchase multiple sets, including car names. (I'll post a photo of one of my SR pass car projects later.)

Comments please!

Ike



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...