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Re: 1.5 cents from "the old school" from ---where's the beef thread

SouRwyFan
 
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Gordon,

I'm not sure, but I feel based on your response that my post made you incensed.
I'm sorry if you took it personally-it wasn't meant that way.
You originally ask where all the interest of years ago on here has gone and if there is some secret fallen flag group.
One word, Facebook, it seems to have everything.
Do I like it, NO, but I use it because it has much traffic and its what most folks seem to find as the evil necessity. 

By what I stated I wasn't talking down the "old school" way, we (Yes I can admit I'm getting old) are the connection to that history for those that never saw SR outside a museum or in pictures.
We have seen operations and events that weren't documented readily or sometimes at all and can model from actual experience.
And there are fewer and fewer that have lived through this and every year we lose more, just one example Jerry Laboda last year.

The SR interest is still there but sharing has changed, everybody seems to be to busy.
The house phone & computers its mostly a thing of the past, now most communication is done by smart phones so that evil social media, Facebook, seems to prevail as the easiest media to communicate.
However It has lots of trolls, AND NOT YOU, that are smart asses just because they know you can't climb through facebook and kick their asses. (I personally watched Robert Harpe share on a FB group last year and get harassed, one of the masters of SR modeling!) 
Now most organizational conventions or meets are regional at most, they are still active just not on websites or in print much as that takes time and someone has to update them.
Local hobby shops/shows have given way mostly to internet stores.

What I call the "new school" SR modelers have never experienced SR when it was just a for profit company hauling freight/commerce (The pretty and the ugly) and not as a special operating or static display, so they are bound to lose some specifics and details as its not always feasible for restorations to be done back to 100 percent original.

In addition there always has been and always will be some that just want to run trains and don't care if its prototypical or not.

Life is short and nothing is forever so enjoy scratch building or running trains, pleasing yourself the only one (Besides the wife) that really matters. 

RS

Re: 1.5 cents from "the old school" from ---where's the beef thread

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I doubt that any of us is truly "old school", although a former co-worker recently described me as such to his wife because I showed up a few minutes early for a meeting....

All of us, regardless of our modeling or historical interest in God's Own Railroad, uses modern technology.  

I am old school enough to remember this washing machine-sized thingie on our destroyer that BuPers used to send personnel paperwork to us.  They called it a "facsimile machine".  Took a while to print a page.  Then I went to the Southern and the facsimile machine (still not called a "fax machine" yet) was the size of a dorm fridge.  Still took a while to print a page and we tried to only use it when we needed a copy of a foreign road waybill.  By 1986 we couldn't live without our fax machine, and it wasn't much bigger than a couple Atlanta phone books.  Now when was the last time you used a fax machine?

The same is true in our avocation.  Things that were cutting edge 30 years ago are not only commonplace now but what you can buy off the shelf is often better than the best modelers could build then.  And now you can populate a layout with _correct_ Southern Railway equipment, at least for some eras, off the shelf.  So now the modelers' focus can pivot from just building Southern equipment to building a layout that represents a part of the Southern and then using that equipment and layout in a way the real Southern would have.  That is not info you can buy at the hobby shop, especially at an internet-only shop.

We must understand that the high-skill builders were always the small minority in this hobby.  Less than 5%.  RTR has always been the norm, just less so in HO.  After all, what is Lionel and almost all N-scale but RTR.  While Athearn sold lots of blue-box engines in the last century, those of us old enough to remember the '70s and '80s (if the drugs, hideous clothes, and disco didn't turn your memory to mush) should recall how the HO hobby went gaga for Atlas' RTR diesels.

The point of my rambling on is that yes, you can be a Southern modeler without being a stick-builder of everything.  Indeed, I ask you, what is a better representation of the railroad itself, a few hard fought battles with resin kits, satisfying as they are, or a layout stocked with reasonably accurate Southern RTR stuff being operated the way the Southern did?

The archives are useful for both approaches and everything in between.  It's getting word out to a world filling up with spoon-fed snowflakes that a) the info exists, and b) it doesn't sort itself.

Scott Chatfield

Re: 1.5 cents from "the old school" from ---where's the beef thread

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Actually my brother works for a company selling fax services (server based but distinct because the source and receiving machine must connect in real-time). They are required in legal and health arenas.

And I started learning railroad modeling on Usenet before email was favored.  I try Pinterest, Tumblr, Facebook...whatever helps me learn.

I model the Southern because of my grandfather. I have kits of any Southern items prior to 1955 I can find and build my own when they are not available. I have enough projects to last my life unless gene therapy extends it (ok by me).  I can learn from NYC or N&W or SP modelers as easily as those interested in the Southern, so I go where my questions are answered well. The hobby is a part of my life’s leisure activities so I am not 100% available to talk or type or ask. So I “go dark” when busy.

The beef is sliced thin and served rare.

Dave Bott

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Feb 2, 2019, at 7:35 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

Now when was the last time you used a fax machine?

For your consideration

milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...>
 

As I expected my question about  the propensity to post messages didn’t result in a lot of new “modeling the Southern” posts.

 

So as the consummate glutton for punishment:

 

SOUTHERN RAILWAY PAINT--

 

In the other Southern Railway group:

https://groups.io/g/southern-railway-system

 

in the Files section there is a file “Official Colors 1946!”

This file has two images (JPG) of a document I received from Southern Railway (Washington DC) in the mid-1960’s. It is a document they put together in 1946 for Model Railroader magazine. On request for information this is a document they sent me.

 

Some modelers in this group might be interested.

Some modelers might not know about the other group that migrated from Yahoo and their files.

so my next model related thought:

 

 

SOUTHERN RAILWAY- MURPHY BRANCH

 

My layout is an attempt to model parts of the Murphy Branch, June 1942.

 

I'm interested many facets, structures, local industries, rolling stock, traffic etc. etc. etc. I've done multiple  projects and have many in progress.   Often I combine photos and documentation to first create full scale drawings, then create scale drawings, then create models.

For instance, I created 3D files to create an accurate Hutchins end and roof- SU box car- N scale then created RTV molds and resin casting. 

 

Currently one of my projects is the depot in Bryson City.

 

I have a few photos.. the earliest circa 1957. Typically photos are of the front of the depot. I have a circa 1937 map that seems to confirm the freight portion of the depot was shortened after 1937. I have found no circa 1940’s photos nor photos of the rear in same era.

 

Unfortunately, my layout for the depot will “reveal” the back so I’d like to get it right. I have a suspicion (no facts) that through the years the back was reconfigured and modeling the current “view” would be wrong for 1942.

SO I'm looking for information to get the depot CORRECT. <g> My experience is that one I finish a project - the next week new information appears.

 

Another project I’m working on is drawings for 7500 gallon tender. I’m going attempt a model of #1288 (sad to say it looks like she was never “green and gold” but I’m curious about the 7500 gallon tenders. Exactly why they even were-- the water facilities when they were modified were still fairly prevalent…. In the case of 1288 I even wonder whether this one was because of the grades.

 

Now all of that being said.

 

Yes, I could post a few photos but will ask beforehand how the moderators want to do that.

 

I could have posted them in-line with this post BUT then they go into a folder format that is general and not subject specific. Or they could go into a folder of my own “labeling” or they could go into folders as specified and set for better group access. (Yeah, many moderators at groups.io haven’t tackled this issue. <G>

 

In addition, if you look at the way “migrated” groups are changing photos to help members find them is also a problem…

 

So moderators… consider that too. I even have the original document mentioned above, a text file of the data, and images that I could load to this group <G>. I also have a .WAV file from the 1960’s of Walter Dove’s wonderful whistle of 1401 which was on 4501 so the Smithsonian could get a recording… but may be Southern modeling is the wrong interest group.

Gordon Andrews

SOU 116100-116195 series bulkhead flats

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Does anyone have an equipment diagram handy for this series of "wallboard flats"?
I have some questions about them, such as the design of the deck.  It appears to be a "composite" deck, a mix of steel channels and wood planks.

This is series of bulkhead flats that looks similar to the old MDC model, which is based on cars built by Thrall for BN/C&S and the Milwaukee.  Those have a 56' inside length.  This Southern car has an inside length of 50'0" or 50'6" depending on which source you look at.

I'm also curious about the trucks.  The Jan 1980 Equipment Register states they have 5'8" wheelbase trucks (a nominal "70-ton" truck) even though they are 93-ton cars.  They should have 36" wheels.  The photos I have of these cars appear to show standard 100-ton trucks.

I'm trying to decide if cutting one stake pocket worth of deck, about 4'5" of length, and making a new deck is worth the bother.  Also need to make that very long cushioned draft gear.


Scott Chatfield

Bulkhead flatcar drawing in April RMC

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Since we were talking about bulkhead flats, by coincidence the April 2019 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman has an article with drawings about Thrall bulkheads built for B&O, D&H, L&N, N&W, the Southern, and CofG in the mid '60s.  The drawings are specifically about the B&O cars which had cushioned draft gear but they are still useful for someone wanting to build a Southern/CofG car.

Scott Chatfield

Re: Bulkhead flatcar drawing in April RMC

George Eichelberger
 


As the bulkhead flat drawings were received after the Southern stopped tracing all car builder’s originals, most were never microfilmed and are not available on aperture cards but….the drawings, usually on vellum or blue prints are in the SRHA archives. I will be heading up to Chatt this Friday and Saturday to help get things organized for the April work session and the Archives grand opening during the SRHA/NMRA convention. If we can get some help, we can start to organize and scan the car builders’ drawings this weekend.

B&O/SAL/ACL bulkhead flat drawings may also be in the aperture cards the ACL/SALHS got from CSX that are also at Chattanooga. (Only the L&N decks have been moved to the L&NHS, all of the other CSX predecessor drawings, if they were microfilmed, are also in the SRHA archives.

Anyone that may want to work this weekend, please send me an email in case plans change for some reason.

I’ve attached a partial jpg of SF-1978, the General Arrangement drawing for 100-T bulkhead flats 114500-114549. Note that although the Gen Arrt drawing was traced (from 61-15393) and has a SR drawing number, the drawings referenced on it are car builder drawings.

Ike


On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

Since we were talking about bulkhead flats, by coincidence the April 2019 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman has an article with drawings about Thrall bulkheads built for B&O, D&H, L&N, N&W, the Southern, and CofG in the mid '60s.  The drawings are specifically about the B&O cars which had cushioned draft gear but they are still useful for someone wanting to build a Southern/CofG car.

Scott Chatfield

operations on Berry Branch and Jasper Al.

pastorkeeton
 

looking for info on the branch and the line thru jasper.
I am building that locale set in earl 80's
thanks in advance

Re: operations on Berry Branch and Jasper Al.

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Welcome to the group.  I don't personally have any knowledge of that line, but we might have some info in the SRHA Archives in Chattanooga.


Scott Chatfield


"pastorkeeton via Groups.Io" <pastorkeeton@...> wrote:
looking for info on the branch and the line thru jasper.
I am building that locale set in earl 80's
thanks in advance
_
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Re: operations on Berry Branch and Jasper Al.

George Eichelberger
 

Scott is certainly correct about data in the SRHA archives. Here (attached) is one page from Northern Alabama Rwy Val (valuation) section 2 that covers the line through Jasper as it was documented for the ICC valuation study. These records show all of the ICC accounts for all val sections in a state. Account 16 includes depots. All of the ICC accounts are described in the scan of the ICC booklet I sent to the group some time ago.

While their data starts out being “old”, 1916-1926, it appears the Southern kept them updated well into the 1950s (notes in yellow on this example).

There is an archives work session scheduled next weekend. In addition to plain old “work” we need to get done, there will be time for people to look up, and help organize, whatever interests them. The archives will also be open during the SRHA convention the end of the month and the archives grand opening on June 1st.

Ike



On May 8, 2019, at 12:13 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

Welcome to the group.  I don't personally have any knowledge of that line, but we might have some info in the SRHA Archives in Chattanooga.


Scott Chatfield


"pastorkeeton via Groups.Io" <pastorkeeton@...> wrote:
looking for info on the branch and the line thru jasper.
I am building that locale set in earl 80's
thanks in advance
_

SRHA has purchased all of the WrightTrak Southern freight cars

George Eichelberger
 

The concept at this point is to NOT offer complete kits but only the polyurethane castings to allow us to keep these accurate models in production and to offer the parts at reduced prices. We will be able, using data from the SRHA archives, to offer photos, drawings and histories of all the models here on ModelingTheSouthern. In addition to building the models "as is" we will discuss, and include data, for as many variations as possible. For example, covered coiled steel versions of the 53' gondola and welded rail and MoW versions of the 40' flat cars. Additional parts, and potentially other models may be produced as time permits.

We will be discussing plans to make the WrightTrak castings available at the upcoming SRHA convention at TVRM in Chattanooga on the 31st and 1st. Everyone is welcome to participate and help us come up with a plan. There are clinics scheduled Friday evening  at the TVRM headquarters building, the SRHA archives "grand opening" will be at 10:00 AM on Saturday June 1st with a trip to the TVRM shop at E. Chattanooga for an extended tour also on Saturday.) SRHA will be presenting a clinic at the NMRA hotel downtown at 9:00AM Friday morning entitled "30-Tons of archives" that will describe the new facility and how prototype data can be used.

Convention information and registration is on the SRHA web site: www.srha.net. 

Ike

PS I've attached a photo of a model of Southern 40' roof hatch box car 32458. It is one of the items SRHA will produce if there is sufficient interest.

Re: SRHA has purchased all of the WrightTrak Southern freight cars

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Ike, 

What exactly did SRHA purchase?  There could be scale plans (what works in HO scale does not always work in N or O scale), instruction sheets, decal art, masters, molds, or just the parts and decals already produced. What about Smoky Mountain Model Works designs like the low side gondola and the wood caboose? I understand Jim King transferred the rights to some of those to Wright Track. Did SRHA acquire those rights or did they revert to Jim, or am I misinformed?

I just want to know the meaning of “Southern cars” in your statement. 

I’m pleased as punch at this development. So much better than seeing those resources get lost or dispersed!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On May 24, 2019, at 10:11 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The concept at this point is to NOT offer complete kits but only the polyurethane castings to allow us to keep these accurate models in production and to offer the parts at reduced prices. We will be able, using data from the SRHA archives, to offer photos, drawings and histories of all the models here on ModelingTheSouthern. In addition to building the models "as is" we will discuss, and include data, for as many variations as possible. For example, covered coiled steel versions of the 53' gondola and welded rail and MoW versions of the 40' flat cars. Additional parts, and potentially other models may be produced as time permits.

We will be discussing plans to make the WrightTrak castings available at the upcoming SRHA convention at TVRM in Chattanooga on the 31st and 1st. Everyone is welcome to participate and help us come up with a plan. There are clinics scheduled Friday evening  at the TVRM headquarters building, the SRHA archives "grand opening" will be at 10:00 AM on Saturday June 1st with a trip to the TVRM shop at E. Chattanooga for an extended tour also on Saturday.) SRHA will be presenting a clinic at the NMRA hotel downtown at 9:00AM Friday morning entitled "30-Tons of archives" that will describe the new facility and how prototype data can be used.

Convention information and registration is on the SRHA web site: www.srha.net. 

Ike

PS I've attached a photo of a model of Southern 40' roof hatch box car 32458. It is one of the items SRHA will produce if there is sufficient interest.
<Southern 32458.jpg>

Re: SRHA has purchased all of the WrightTrak Southern freight cars

George Eichelberger
 

As far as I understand, ALL of the Southern cars Gary sold as WrightTrak are included; the Silversides, waffle box car, cupola cab, etc. There may be little or no demand for some items while others could be quite popular. Although I discussed the items with Gary, Rick Bell did not pick up any documentation or design information. Gary told us some of that would follow. As all of the plans used to produce the cars came from SRHA, I do not see that as a major concern.

We have an excellent working relationship with Hubert Mask at Mask Island decals and will work with him to make sure accurate decals are available.

Some of the molds are less than perfect, others may be too worn to be used. The masters appear (at first look) to be generally in good shape so new molds can be made if needed. The state of the art for making masters or patterns is moving ahead quickly. The two “production” people we are working with have the necessary CAD, prototyping and casting experience. The dollar amount we offered was the result of a close inspection (by someone with direct experience in the technology) of the masters and molds. Frankly, I do not expect SRHA will ever recover 100% of what we paid. The amount was such that continuing to make the models’ available (they are some of the most accurate ever produced) was something SRHA should, and could do.

Individuals can participate any way they wish. Donations to SRHA, the archives or toward the production of these models would be appreciated.  

In any case, we do not see this becoming a high volume production or sales project.

The next steps will be up to people wanting to have prototype models of Southern Railway rolling stock. Production will be very limited with few castings produced to keep in inventory.

We will discuss all of this at next week’s SRHA convention. For anyone interested, they need to register, get to Chattanooga and join in the conversation.

Ike

PS If anyone is seriously interested in becoming the SRHA “Modeling” person to be involved in this, the SouthernRailway io group and modeling information in the archives, contact us off list at archives@....


On May 24, 2019, at 12:45 PM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

Ike, 

What exactly did SRHA purchase?  There could be scale plans (what works in HO scale does not always work in N or O scale), instruction sheets, decal art, masters, molds, or just the parts and decals already produced. What about Smoky Mountain Model Works designs like the low side gondola and the wood caboose? I understand Jim King transferred the rights to some of those to Wright Track. Did SRHA acquire those rights or did they revert to Jim, or am I misinformed?

I just want to know the meaning of “Southern cars” in your statement. 

I’m pleased as punch at this development. So much better than seeing those resources get lost or dispersed!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On May 24, 2019, at 10:11 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The concept at this point is to NOT offer complete kits but only the polyurethane castings to allow us to keep these accurate models in production and to offer the parts at reduced prices. We will be able, using data from the SRHA archives, to offer photos, drawings and histories of all the models here on ModelingTheSouthern. In addition to building the models "as is" we will discuss, and include data, for as many variations as possible. For example, covered coiled steel versions of the 53' gondola and welded rail and MoW versions of the 40' flat cars. Additional parts, and potentially other models may be produced as time permits.

We will be discussing plans to make the WrightTrak castings available at the upcoming SRHA convention at TVRM in Chattanooga on the 31st and 1st. Everyone is welcome to participate and help us come up with a plan. There are clinics scheduled Friday evening  at the TVRM headquarters building, the SRHA archives "grand opening" will be at 10:00 AM on Saturday June 1st with a trip to the TVRM shop at E. Chattanooga for an extended tour also on Saturday.) SRHA will be presenting a clinic at the NMRA hotel downtown at 9:00AM Friday morning entitled "30-Tons of archives" that will describe the new facility and how prototype data can be used.

Convention information and registration is on the SRHA web site: www.srha.net. 

Ike

PS I've attached a photo of a model of Southern 40' roof hatch box car 32458. It is one of the items SRHA will produce if there is sufficient interest.
<Southern 32458.jpg>

Southern Railway books for sale

charliecatsrr
 

I need to sell some of my Southern Railway & other south eastern railway books.

These include, but not limited to Southern Steam Locomotives & Boats by Richard E. Prince, Southern Steam Power by Harold E. Ranks & Shelby F. Lowe.  This book is autographed by Shelby Lowe.  I also have at least a dozen more books.  Is anyone interested?

J. C. Paschal


Allen Cain

charliecatsrr
 

Allen I have misplaced your latest e-mail address.  I wold appreciate your reply with your current e-mail address.

J. C.  Paschal

Re: Allen Cain

charliecatsrr
 

Allen,
I need to send you an e-mail with a description of and prices for the Southern Railway books.  I'm not ready to send them to everyone.
J. C. Paschal

On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 10:37:15 AM EDT, charliecatsrr via Groups.Io <charliecatsrr@...> wrote:


Allen I have misplaced your latest e-mail address.  I wold appreciate your reply with your current e-mail address.

J. C.  Paschal

Re: SRHA has purchased all of the WrightTrak Southern freight cars

George Eichelberger
 

With so much going on getting ready for the archives dedication, the SRHA BOD has not been able to finalize planning for the WrightTrak models, but we are getting close.

I expect the first model we will put back into production will be the Southern bay window cab. We will have a drawing pack on the Grab web page along with the model body and some etched parts. Our logic is that modelers interested in assembling accurate resin models (and to keep prices down)  will have trucks, couplers and other detail parts so SRHA does not need to provide them. We will provide a list of correct parts with the body shells. When I say "in production", To avoid tying up cash for inventory waiting to be sold, we will produce a dozen or two dozen at a time for people that pre-order with a small quantity for first-come first served orders.

I would like to see the 53' PS gon, the 40' low side gon and the 40' flat car available. If there is enough interest (let us know!), we will produce coil steel covers for the 53' gon. In fact, please send any comments on which models we should produce, etc.

The 53' gon has always been a favorite of mine because of all of the variations the Southern used it for. I've attached two photos of kitbashes I have been working on. I don't think it would be possible to do either model without drawings in the SRHA archives. One version was modified and used to carry carbon electrodes to produce aluminum. It has fixed and movable bulkheads to keep the heavy electrodes fro shifting and breaking. The second photo has to be one of the most complex models I've ever attempted. They were modified (from the same 53' gons) to carry track panels for the reconstruction of Inman Yard in Atlanta. I have never spoken to anyone that worked with them that had anything good to say. Track panels (on the bottom of the stack) were moved through other "drone" cars until they reached a "master" car that included a boom to lower panels out the far end.

Ike

Re: SRHA has purchased all of the WrightTrak Southern freight cars

Thomas Sullivan
 

Ike, I would be interested in the gondola and flatcar. My interest are an earlier era ie 1900-1920.
Tom 
Anderson, SC


On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:50 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

With so much going on getting ready for the archives dedication, the SRHA BOD has not been able to finalize planning for the WrightTrak models, but we are getting close.

I expect the first model we will put back into production will be the Southern bay window cab. We will have a drawing pack on the Grab web page along with the model body and some etched parts. Our logic is that modelers interested in assembling accurate resin models (and to keep prices down)  will have trucks, couplers and other detail parts so SRHA does not need to provide them. We will provide a list of correct parts with the body shells. When I say "in production", To avoid tying up cash for inventory waiting to be sold, we will produce a dozen or two dozen at a time for people that pre-order with a small quantity for first-come first served orders.

I would like to see the 53' PS gon, the 40' low side gon and the 40' flat car available. If there is enough interest (let us know!), we will produce coil steel covers for the 53' gon. In fact, please send any comments on which models we should produce, etc.

The 53' gon has always been a favorite of mine because of all of the variations the Southern used it for. I've attached two photos of kitbashes I have been working on. I don't think it would be possible to do either model without drawings in the SRHA archives. One version was modified and used to carry carbon electrodes to produce aluminum. It has fixed and movable bulkheads to keep the heavy electrodes fro shifting and breaking. The second photo has to be one of the most complex models I've ever attempted. They were modified (from the same 53' gons) to carry track panels for the reconstruction of Inman Yard in Atlanta. I have never spoken to anyone that worked with them that had anything good to say. Track panels (on the bottom of the stack) were moved through other "drone" cars until they reached a "master" car that included a boom to lower panels out the far end.

Ike
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Groups and Paint

milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...>
 

This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io

 

 

The things I don’t know:

 

1. What’s up with photo/files/messages

2 Depot Paint

 

Why we have members asking about files and photos…

 

 

 

Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.

 

At Yahoogroup.

 

Southern_Railway and Southern Railway Modeler exist.

 

Southern_Railway (Yahoo) indicates 896 member (active -unknown)

It has a file and photo section that members CAN access.

 

Southern Railway Modelers (Yahoo- Southernmodeler) 828 members. It has Files and Photos section.

 

As far as I know neither Yahoogroup has direct ties to SRHA…

 

And then there are the groups at groups.io:

 

SouthernRailway

A “main group” with 132 members

Only photos are those which have been “pulled from email attachments and no files.

Under this is a sub-group

ModelingTheSouthern with 21 members

Again ONLY photos are those sent as attachments (SIX as of this writing)

 

If you are confused at this point- welcome to the club.

 

The groups.io seem to be associated with SRHA (but this might not be true)

 

So it would appear that we have “diversity” of discussion groups and anyone interested in Southern Railway needs to have their feet planted “firmly” in two worlds. As I said it reminds me of ancient history when SRHS and SRHA existed.

 

I’m not sure who the owners/moderators are of any of the groups not that it matters but it is a shame we can’t all get on the same page regardless…

 

 

 

So.. it looks like you’ll have to do what I’ve been doing… have membership in both Yahoogroups and groups.io. (I’m not even sure whether these two providers will welcome discussion groups long term.)

 

FYI- I migrated a group from Yahoo to groups.io a while back because it was better supported at groups.io. To each his own.

 

But the next time you see a member say… but I can’t post a file or a photo…. you’ll know why.

 

 

NOW TO MY SOUTHERN RAILWAY MESSAGE!

 

 

2 DEPOT PAINT

 

The color of depots on the Southern Murphy Branch circa 1942.

Based on a photo of Whittier (circa 1909) Seems to be the yellow/green scheme

Bushnell Clodfelter photo *(circa 1916) and TVA Archives (yellow/green)

Balsam – a few early photos (yellow/green)

 

It would seem that depots were the pre-1925 scheme unless they needed painting. (including white trim??)

I have not found any photos which appear to be the green with yellow trim.

Yes there are photo of the post 1945 scheme of gray with white trim.

 

BTW, the yellow used at Montpelier station (you can find photos on line are based on mass-spec analysis of paint layers done during a very good restoration effort.

 

Now some depots that have been restored do show the yellow. Some show the yellow/green. Some have red doors some have yellow white.

 

If anyone has definitive info on any depot paint with time etc. A few of us might be interested.

when I get my depot of Bryson City (circa 1942) guess where I'll post the photos <G>


Gordon Andrews

 

Presidents; File Finding aids and Southern Piggyback

George Eichelberger
 
Edited

In case anyone is not subscribed to the SouthernRailway.groups.io list, here is a post from yesterday that includes a link to the draft versions of all of the SR Presidents' files finding aids. There are files on many of the Southern's equipment leases and trusts over the years that are useful for the various rolling stock books.

And, yesterday I scanned the General Arrangement drawings for several P-S piggyback flat cars. That may be too "hardware" related for a TIES article but I'll publish them here if there is any interest. IMHO, Southern piggyback and intermodal in general is pretty much untouched in photos or articles.

Ike

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They are not perfect but the enclosed Google Drive link will allow everyone to download a copy of the current draft of the Southern Railway Presidents' Files Finding Aids.

We need to begin an archives work session project to "QC" each entry against the contents of the files and make whatever corrections or additions we need. You'll note the intro to each year mentions the entry is "representative" of its contents. The folder includes MS Word or Excel files for each year since the formation of the Southern. (The Google Drive viewer appears to want to alter the Excel files but let's simply ignore that for now. It may be best to download them...)

The link (open in your browser) is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tqb3kBvEvyRo5dRvJcPmL7KfW0M1nA-4?usp=sharing

I find myself constantly wanting to "click" on an entry so I can see the entire file (some have 200 pages). Maybe someday, with enough volunteer or paid help, that will be possible but for now folks will need to go the the archives to see their contents. Please understand, we do not have enough volunteers to respond to all requests for copies or scans. Priority will go to anyone working on articles for TIES, another historical group's publication or one of the commercial magazines. If anyone has ideas of how we might obtain a grant, we could pay students from the Univ of TN-Chattanooga to help.

Either plan on attending one of our third-weekend work sessions or send an email to archives@... if you plan to be at TVRM on other days so you can access the files and do your own research. (Looking though files and seeing 4501 under steam just across the street is worth the trip.)

Ike