locked Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
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That consist you describe, Bill, sounds almost like a "make-up" train assembled in a hurry after it was learned that the connecting train would be very, very late.
From: Bill Schafer <bill4501@...>
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Sent: Sun, Jun 28, 2020 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
The prewar Southerner would not have run with any full baggage or mail cars. Its original consist just had a combination baggage-dorm-coach ahead of the Jim Crow coach, then two full coaches, dining car, another coach, then observation car - seven cars. I think (without digging) the train ran with an extra coach north of Atlanta.
The Southern Crescent would not have run regularly with a coach-lounge but would have always run with a Crescent-series master room-2 drawing room-tavern lounge.
The prewar Pullman-Standard dining cars (e.g., Alexandria) were out of service by the time the Southern Crescent began operating circa 1969. Budd dining cars were used exclusively. Ditto for the prewar 56-seat coaches.
Don’t forget there is an “h” at the end of “Shenandoah”
The Southern Crescent was never advertised with an 11-double bedroom sleeper in its consist. Those cars ran to accommodate overflow bedroom passengers (often pass holders) or special groups.
When it ran in the off season, the Southern Crescent was only 8 or 9 cars long anyway and would fit into your maximum length, but it also ran with four E8s, regardless of length. If the train ran in two sections, it had two E8s on the short section and three E8s on the long section.
I rode the Southern Crescent on business probably 100 times, and wrote down the consist almost every time, so if you want some typical consists, I can send you some. The cars were not always arranged like you’d expect them to be. Below is a Jim McClellan shot of the Southern Crescent with a minimal consist. Behind the four E8s is: baggage-dorm-coach, 52-seat coach, sleeper-tavern lounge, Budd 48-seat dining car, two more 52-seat coaches, and two 10-6 sleepers. There may also have been a 52-seat coach behind the sleepers for short-haul passengers. Jim shot this picture from the vestibule of the second sleeper northbound somewhere between Manassas and Alexandria.