locked Re: The Interstate Coal Fleet: 1960-1966?


Daniel Bourque
 

Evan,

The Interstate continued to operate generally as it had before Southern’s acquisition between 1960 and 1965 when the Southern shut down its Appalachia yard and moved into Andover (clearing the way for the Westmoreland transloader). So what happened to the Interstate cars was essentially a continuation of what was occurring prior to 1960. 

The Interstate’s hopper fleet was always wide ranging. In fact, the Interstate lived off of per diem for these cars for most of its life. The fact these cars were coming to the end of their useful lives was a big incentive to sell the Interstate. Additionally, the Interstate had agreements with the Southern for empty hopper supply prior to the sale, so the free mixing of Southern and Interstate cars on both roads was commonplace both before and after 1960. Additionally, the Interstate continued to ship coal via its connections with L&N, N&W, and CRR, so you’d see the IRR hoppers just about everywhere until they were made captive to the transloader in the late ‘60s. 

Many cars were repainted in a Southern-style scheme starting in the mid-‘60s, and as Ike said, some were converted to permanently coupled 100T “articulated” hoppers and repainted in cool variations of Southern lettering (like “SOUT” on one car and “HERN” on the other—wish someone would make some decals). 

The Southern started placing older offset hoppers, some with extended sides, into Interstate service in ~’64. This was prior to the transloader, so you could find these cars all over the country as well for a couple years. The transloader changed everything and saw most of the original IRR cars and the donated offsets placed in captive “yellow ball” service by the late ‘60s as you mentioned, so that’s when sightings outside of the Interstate and St Charles Branches would become rare. 

The yellow ball fleet became increasingly eclectic in the ‘70s including most of the Southern’s remaining twin hopper fleet and war-emergency rebuilds (standard and extended height), 50T fish-belly and 70T hoppers from the original NS, a large number of 70T triple hoppers downgraded from mainline service, and even guest appearances from brand-new 100T twin aggregate hoppers in the winter. More than you asked about, but pretty cool fleet of coal cars!

Dan Bourque


On Jan 16, 2021, at 10:31 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

 Evan:

Here is a tiny (!) snippet from the SRHA rolling stock data spreadsheets.

Many Interstate hoppers were either scrapped because of their age and condition, used in “yellow ball” service, then scrapped (no lists or specific documentation on cars used for local coal service have ever been located) or were “articulated" with other 50-T hoppers to become 100-T cars.

The last runaway on Saluda Mtn had a large percentage of INT hoppers. Many were found to have defective brakes.

Ike

INT
8192

9/26/1967

In "Report of cars dismantled during August 1967"


INT
8196

10/28/1970

50-T hopper
recommended for retirement

INT
8198

8/2/1968
SCP-961-D
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 8132 and renumbered Sou 102243

INT
8199

8/20/1968

authorized for retirement and dismantled, July 1968


INT
8200

7/24/1968
SCP-961-A
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 7110 and renumbered Sou 102109

INT
8206

7/8/1965
SCP-861 A&B

joined with INT 8645 and renumbered Sou 102311

INT
8207

12/1/1969

50T hopper
recommended for retirement

INT
8209

11/1/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 8618 and renumbered CG 23002

INT
8211

5/19/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 7680 and renumbered Sou 102275

INT
8212

8/2/1968
SCP-961-D
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 7877 and renumbered Sou 102242

INT
8213

4/19/1968

In "Report of Equipment Dismantled March 1968"


INT
8214

12/3/1965
SCP-861-B
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 8048 and renumbered CG 23022

INT
8222

7/17/1968
SCP-961-A
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 7880 and renumbered Sou 102104

INT
8229

8/2/1968
SCP-961-D
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 9046 and renumbered Sou 102245

INT
8231

8/20/1965
SCP-861
50-ton hopper
to articulated hopper Sou 102342

INT
8235

8/10/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
artic w/INT 7649 and renumbered Sou 102334

INT
8236

12/27/1971

50-T hopper car
recommended for retirement

INT
8239

6/14/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
articulated with INT 7831 and renumbered 102294

INT
8243

8/11/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
artic w/INT 9019 and renumbered Sou 102335

INT
8250

11/10/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 7417 and renumbered CG 23014

INT
8251

5/1/1968

In "Report of Equipment Dismantled May 1968"


INT
8252

12/1/1969

50T hopper
recommended for retirement

INT
8253

6/21/1972

50T hopper, blt 1947
recommended for retirement

INT
8255

9/26/1967

In "Report of cars dismantled during August 1967"


INT
8256

5/17/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 7305 and renumbered Sou 102273

INT
8257

7/14/1965
SCP-861
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 8887 and renumbered Sou 102315

INT
8264

6/25/1965
SCP-861-A&B
50-t hopper car
joined with INT 8631 and renumbered Sou 102304


On Jan 16, 2021, at 12:04 PM, Evan Miller via groups.io <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, I’m looking for information on what happened to the Interstate RR coal fleet after being acquired by Southern.


I know many were placed into captive “yellow ball” service for the Westmoreland transloader in Appalachia, however it wasn't until 1966 that the transloader was built and shipping coal.


So what exactly did Southern do with the fleet during the interim period of 1960-1966? Where they simply mixed into the main Southern coal fleet? Where they generally kept in the former Interstate territory like the RS3 fleet? When did Southern begin assigning offset hoppers to INT ownership?

Thanks for any help!
-Evan Miller


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