moderated Re: 1948 tt ... some answers, more questions
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This question got my curiosity aroused.
I checked several rule books in my collection, and P is, indeed, the abbreviation that the Southern used for telephone.
On the ACL, SCL, A&WP/WofA/GaRR, and P&N, "P" stood for Passing track. On the FEC, it stood for "Water" (Freudian connection, there?), but then, the FEC was double tracked from end to end when the rule book I checked was published, and therefore had no passing tracks. L&N and CofG made no mention of the abbreviation "P" in their rulebooks.
Apparently the abbreviation was not as universal as I thought.
Oh, well. We live and learn.
From: Ron Stafford via Groups.Io <wag2200@...>
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Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] 1948 tt ... some answers, more questions
P was the designation used for Telephone on the roads that I'm familiar with.
On 6/10/2019 3:05 PM, Robert Hanson via Groups.Io wrote:
P = Passing track
D = Daytime train order office
N = Day and Night time train order office.
These are near-universal abbreviations.
From: Jim King <jimking3@...>
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Sent: Mon, Jun 10, 2019 2:46 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] 1948 tt ... some answers, more questions
Thanks to Mike Roderick, I have a 1948 and 1964 t/t to go with my 1970 and more recent copies. ??I???m a little fuzzy on the code letters for each town???s name.?? Can???t find a key to them anywhere in the 16 pages.?? From memory, I know that W=water, Y=wye, C=coal and X=agent/operator.?? There are also P, D and N.?? What do these mean??? I???ve attached pages 8 and 9.?? The ???N??? is next to Asheville and does not appear on the branch.?? The ???P??? is at Murphy Jct only.?? ???D??? appears in many towns.
For years, I???ve suspected that coal was available in Bryson because the distance between Nantahala and Balsam was too great and there was too much activity.?? That???s what started this thread yesterday.?? The tt seems to confirm my suspicion (???C??? is to the right of the Bryson name) and that a turn was based out of Bryson (trains 66/67).?? This turn was shortened to Sylva-Addie in the 60s until cancelled around 1972.?? A Steve Patterson shot on RailPictures.net shows a 1966-ish Geep-powered local between Addie and Sylva with a long train of mostly boxcars.?? There was a LOT of industry in that stretch in post-War years, primarily Mead Paper, furniture and lumber-related.?? There was no water available between Bryson and Addie.?? Question now is where was coal loaded in Bryson??? Did the coal trestle, thought to be ???only??? for the retail dealer, serve double duty??? It???s close to the track and parallel but it seems too low for shoveling.?? It was also close to water, likely supplied by the town.
Canton???s coal supply was for the yard engine only, usually 599.?? There was a small bin or shed next to the ???sand house??? and water standpipe located on the bank across from the station and below the bridge, according to the engineer I rode with.?? The sand house was still there when I started visiting in 1977 and the floor was covered in sand, likely from spillage over the years.?? There was no coal available for mainline trains, only water, located across the river (most tank footers still remain).
In addition to the Goose (trains 68/69), there was a turn that ran from Asheville to Balsam (tr 70/71, 6 days a week).?? Nothing went ???over the mountain??? except the Goose because it needed 2 engines to get up the mountain.?? I suspect the Bryson-Addie turn was a single 2-8-0 and based in Bryson where water, coal and wye were available.?? This was the only activity on the line on Sunday, from what I can deduce.?? Was the Balsam turn also a single 2-8-0 (underpowered to go to Addie and return with whatever the Bryson turn has set off for it)??? If so, did the Goose (tr 69) bring 71???s cars down the mountain to Addie and back up the mountain from Addie as Tr 68??? Forwarding cars to Balsam and leaving them makes no sense unless the thru train was forwarding them.?? It???s also possible Tr 71 ran to Balsam to service the coaling ramp and turn on the wye since there was nowhere to turn around once it passed Canton.?? There was no customer base between Hazelwood and Balsam.
I???m also ???assuming??? this tt was issued in July because the Murphy Branch passenger train had just been cancelled (only freights are listed on pages 8 and 9).
As usual, closely reading the tt ???seems??? to answer a few questions while generating even more.?? Such is the process called ???research???.