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Kevin Centers
 

Ed

That photo was taken in Oak Ridge at SARM. When we received the car it didn’t look that good. With a lot of work by our volunteer staff, the car was restored to match the Fort Oglethorpe, also at SARM. Both cars made it to Southern and both wore the standard (by that time) Southern black roof and monogram. And both retained their names. They are very noticeable in Southern passenger train pictures because of their skirts. 
In another note, the building in the background is a gaseous diffusion enrichment facility to produce bomb-grade material. It was torn down several years ago, along with most of the buildings at the former K-25 facility. 

Kevin



On Aug 7, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

Ed, Thanks for the photo. I have not seen this and was not aware that the car kept its name and number into the Southern era. The 54-seat Budd coaches were very nice cars. Thank you very much.

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edwin Locklin
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 11:02 AM
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Mr. Mims,

 

I happen to have the attached photo of #665 with painted black smooth roof and ‘Fort McPherson’ on the nameplate.  Enjoy!

 

Ed Locklin at mp367.

 

 

 

From: Ed Mims

Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River

 

Kevin,

 

I’ve been searching my files to find a photo of 665 after repairs were made but must not have one. I’m beginning to believe that you are correct in that Southern applied the smooth roof but I have always thought differently. I recall the car coming into Jacksonville in about 1965 on the Ponce de Leon with a smooth roof and with Central of Georgia still on the letter board.

 

Ed

 

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:12 PM
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Ed

 

You wouldn’t happen to have a picture of the car post wreck but prior to going to Southern?  I don’t, but would love to see it.

I question that Budd applied the smooth roof, primarily because they would still have the tooling set up to remove the damaged portions of the original roof and replace them with fluted material.  In looking at some of the repairs done on the car by Budd, they pretty well stuck to their going practice at the time-which meant fluted roofs all the way through the Amfleet cars. Not saying it didn’t happen, but my bet is Southern did it since other Budds in the fleet received the same treatment.

 

Kevin


On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:01 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

The CofGa car 665 (formerly Fort McPherson) was wrecked and repaired by Budd. That is why it has a smooth stainless steel roof. See attachment.

 

Stainless steel does not corrode but it is not totally indestructible. Stainless steel will fatigue in service and fracture (crack). Once this begins it is irreversible. The pre-war cars had this problem with the early design of center sills. Later designs were heavier and stayed in regular service for many years. Post war cars were much sturdier and some remain in service today (example:  VIA RAIL  THE CANADIAN).

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 7:21 PM
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Curt

 

Budds were built with fluted roofs. Being of all stainless construction, the cars were-and in many cases still are-practically indestructible. Unfortunately they leak. Sometimes a little silicon will do the trick, but some are a little worse. Southern fixed the issue by applying smooth stainless over the flutes. SOU 665 (former CofGa 665) at Southern Appalachia Ry Museum is a good example of this. Built by Budd with a fluted roof with smooth panels applied by Southern.

 

Kevin


On Aug 6, 2019, at 7:02 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


Alaska RR got several of the SR coaches (one CofG) after Amtrak took over the Crescent (all Budd built).   Roofs varied among the lot.  Some fluted roofs, some smooth (were these replacement roofs?).  Some natural metal, some black. 

Photos can be found here:  http://www.alaskarails.org/fp/passenger/passenger-roster-retired.html   Scroll down to the 5200 group.

Curt Fortenberry

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