locked Re: Southern Passenger Trains on the NE Corridor in 1968

George Eichelberger

As the “Southerner” began service, the Southern asked the PRR to run it as a separate train from DC to NYC. The PRR responded with (to paraphrase) “are you nuts? It’s 1941with a war in Europe, we cannot tie up the PRR main line and a GG-1 for a SEVEN car train!”

After several “testy” letters back and forth the PRR offered to run a Southerner-only train for one week for publicity photos. There is evidence the Southerner ran north of DC as a seven car train only once.


On Feb 3, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

That’s generally what happened - adding/subtracting cars for locals to use on the NEC between Washington and New York - to the secondary trains from the south, mentioned by Michael Young. You experienced, Tim, a longtime practice from the dark ages. In fact, except for the Florida streamliners and the Southerner and Crescent, most trains carrying through cars from the south were usually combined with regularly scheduled PRR trains anyway so that if a northbound train was late, the connection could leave on time, serving the local market, while the cars from the south could be added to the next train. Southern’s practice was to favor the Pullman passengers with through cars, while coach passengers (except those in reserved seats on the Southerner) were obliged to get off in Washington and reboard a PRR coach for the remainder of the trip to NYC.


On Feb 3, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

My recent experience on the Palmetto and the Carolinian on the NE corridor was that there were several cars on the head end on the southbound trains for local traffic, with through passenger being seated behind these cars. The "short" cars were pulled off with the engine in Washington.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC

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