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Waffle box reissue

James
 

I have two of those kits in my stash, both in the green Wright Trak boxes.  I might take some pictures for you to look over.
I think I would test the waters much like you did with the 12 post and see what comes about.  I know one of my kits will 
get one of Tony Sissons’s replacement doors.  Which might be an option in updating the kit as well.

This style door:

I can say anything you do in the double door version, I will get two kits.

Don’t forget about the WS RPM:



On Jul 27, 2021, at 18:37, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

A model of the long-awaited 12-post PS 5277 cf boxcar is close at hand.  Pullman-Standard manufactured these exclusively for Southern Railway and the original Norfolk Southern starting in early 1973.  Models have never been offered.  Design is about 80% finished …only a few details, the brake system and final review remain.  Patterns will be printed in-house, thus eliminating quality issues, escalating prices and shipping delays experienced with SLA suppliers.
 
These will be limited run kits and only enough will be produced to fulfill paid-in-full-orders received by 8/31/2021.  To view details about this kit, please visit here:  https://smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO-SOU-NS-5277-box.html
 
Contact me off-list to ask questions, place an order, etc.  Depending on market response to these kits, other cars based on this design will be produced, including the waffle side version in single and double-door styles.
 
Jim King
 

James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




Smoky Mountain Model Works announces new HO car kit

Jim King
 

A model of the long-awaited 12-post PS 5277 cf boxcar is close at hand.  Pullman-Standard manufactured these exclusively for Southern Railway and the original Norfolk Southern starting in early 1973.  Models have never been offered.  Design is about 80% finished …only a few details, the brake system and final review remain.  Patterns will be printed in-house, thus eliminating quality issues, escalating prices and shipping delays experienced with SLA suppliers.

 

These will be limited run kits and only enough will be produced to fulfill paid-in-full-orders received by 8/31/2021.  To view details about this kit, please visit here:  https://smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO-SOU-NS-5277-box.html

 

Contact me off-list to ask questions, place an order, etc.  Depending on market response to these kits, other cars based on this design will be produced, including the waffle side version in single and double-door styles.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


moderated SRHA at Collinsville

George Eichelberger
 

Several SRHA Directors will be at the Collinsville RPM Fri and Sat. Stop by our table if you are there.

And….(if you have your Covid vaccination) plan to join us at the August archives work session at TVRM the third Friday and Sat of every month.

Ike


locked Re: Stamped car numbers?

Ed Mims
 

Ike, I believe it was fairly common practice among railroads to stamp the owning roads reporting marks (Southern had none) and car number on the center sill. You might find the location on a paint and lettering (stenciling arrangement) drawing from a car builder of even a Southern Rwy drawing. I believe this was a "Recommended Practice" by the AAR. If you have an old copy of the AAR's Manual of Standards and Recommended Practices look in there for the recommended location.

The steel stamped stencils are difficult to find on old cars unless you know where to look.

Ed Mims


locked Re: Stamped car numbers?

Jason Greene
 

I have found many Southern cars stenciled on the frame near the bolster but often this gets very dirty and hard to read. 
Inside the door is often another good place. You may have to remove layers of paint slowly to find clues. 

Jason Greene 

On Jul 12, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike <trackside@...> wrote:



I don’t know about the center sill but I do remember seeing the initial & number stamped on the lower  side of the car body around the hand rails. Don’t remember if it was the ‘A’ end or ‘B’ End of the car though.

 

   Mike Seawell

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 5:22 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Stamped car numbers?

 

Does anyone know if the Southern used metal dies to stamp a car’s road number on its center sill?

 

The question is to try to determine a car’s original number so it can be painted and numbered correctly.

 

Ike

 

 

 

 


locked Re: Stamped car numbers?

Mike
 

I don’t know about the center sill but I do remember seeing the initial & number stamped on the lower  side of the car body around the hand rails. Don’t remember if it was the ‘A’ end or ‘B’ End of the car though.

 

   Mike Seawell

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 5:22 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Stamped car numbers?

 

Does anyone know if the Southern used metal dies to stamp a car’s road number on its center sill?

 

The question is to try to determine a car’s original number so it can be painted and numbered correctly.

 

Ike

 

 

 

 


locked Stamped car numbers?

George Eichelberger
 

Does anyone know if the Southern used metal dies to stamp a car’s road number on its center sill?

The question is to try to determine a car’s original number so it can be painted and numbered correctly.

Ike


locked Traffic

southernalco
 

Has NS cut back on their traffic on the old Southern main line from Atlanta to Washington


locked Re: Atlanta Terminal Station - Redrawing Station Plans?

John Stewart
 

Hi Ike and all,

 

I believe my Grandmother!  Happened in Pittsburgh, drawings came from Duquesne Power Co where he was a construction engineer.  But likely started a lot earlier in Indiana where he was a railroad construction engineer.

 

Grin.

 

John Stewart

Birmingham, AL

 


locked Re: Atlanta Terminal Station - Redrawing Station Plans?

George Eichelberger
 

John:

Arrrgh…I have heard that before but was hoping it was a railfan myth.  I heard the Secretaries at the DC headquarters would ask the Engineering people for old drawings they could take and wash the starch out of for handkerchiefs during WWII. The linen was/is very high quality.

Ike

PS The next archives work session is Fri and Sat July 16 and 17. (There are a LOT of Southern and Central of Ga linens in the collection. The CofG drawings are so nicely done, they are really “artwork”.)




On Jul 5, 2021, at 1:51 PM, John Stewart <jstew@...> wrote:

Hi folks
 
Love those old linen drawings.
 
My grandmother used to make all my grandfather’s handkerchief from discarded engineering drawings.
 
John Stewart
Birmingham, AL
 
 


locked Re: Atlanta Terminal Station - Redrawing Station Plans?

John Stewart
 

Hi folks

 

Love those old linen drawings.

 

My grandmother used to make all my grandfather’s handkerchief from discarded engineering drawings.

 

John Stewart

Birmingham, AL

 

 


locked Atlanta Terminal Station - Redrawing Station Plans?

George Eichelberger
 

There are at least 46 partial drawings of the Atlanta Terminal Station building in the SRHA archives. As they were all scanned from old microfilm, none are in perfect condition and there is no guarantee we have every part of the original drawings. The subject certainly warrants an effort to re-draw or reconstruct the drawings.

If anyone is interested in taking on a large project, contact us at archives@....

Here is one example (lower resolution jpeg, the scans are all higher res tiffs.):

Ike


locked Re: Budd Letter to Southern Rwy 4-28-47

George Eichelberger
 

Apparently, the question began from the NYC’s cars in the order. They started the issue of having 3 inch skirts on their lightweight cars. There is an entire sequence of correspondence between the carbuilders, the NYC, L&N, FEC, PRR and Southern about that (everyone agreed to the size) and the conversation changed to roofs, window heights, etc.

In 1947, the railroads may not have appreciated the difference between stainless steel (Budd) and steel/aluminum (Pullman and ACF) passenger cars. The corrugated Budd roof design was proven to be superior but apparently P-S and ACF did not want to deal with it. (i.e. license the “Shotweld” process from Budd.)

Looking at the size of 1940s & 50s passenger car file, what I was not aware of is how much time and effort the Southern spent  planning their lightweight cars or the effort to get the different railroads in car “pool” to agree on details. Like many things in the archives, there are interesting tidbits among all the paper. (Help is needed to get the passenger car drawings and files organized and scanned.)

Ike


On Jul 3, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Rob Wingo <robertawingo@...> wrote:

I wonder who the guy was that thought they could
call up Ford and ask them to modify their cars to look like Chevy?  My response would have been “If you wanted all your cars to look the same you should have bought from the same manufacturer.”

But I guess it didn’t hurt to ask.


locked Re: Budd Letter to Southern Rwy 4-28-47

Rob Wingo
 

I wonder who the guy was that thought they could
call up Ford and ask them to modify their cars to look like Chevy?  My response would have been “If you wanted all your cars to look the same you should have bought from the same manufacturer.”

But I guess it didn’t hurt to ask.


locked Budd Letter to Southern Rwy 4-28-47

George Eichelberger
 

The attached letter from Budd to the Southern, 4-28-47 is one of a series of letters in the SRHA archives where Southern asked Budd, ACF and Pullman to change the design of the side sheets on cars on their cars to be delivered as part of the 1947 “Royal Palm” order. The Southern wanted car sides (fluting, skirts, windows, roofs) from the three companies to more or less match.

The response from Budd follows. The entire file is in the SRHA archives.

Ike


locked Re: Gaithersburg, Maryland train show is a *** GO *** Mark your calendars NOW - November 2021

Bill Schafer
 

Thanks for the heads-up

On Jul 1, 2021, at 20:43, Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...> wrote:

Just got the flyers for the annual (except last year of course), Gaithersburg Railroadianna show in "only" 4 months. That seems like a long time, but in no time it will be upon us I am sure.

The date is the usual: first weekend of November 2021. The general public can get in for a modest admission fee on Sunday, November 7th only but if you are a more serious player, you can get in for I think it is $40, starting Noon on Friday the 5th.

I have seen just about everything imaginable that was involved with a railroad except a full-size locomotive and think I saw photos of one saying "ask" at least one time. All sorts of transportation related goodies will be there; lanterns and parts, RR China, books, videos, timetables, magazines from just about every imaginable source: railroad, rail-fans, companies, and you name it.

With it being 2 years since the last of this show in 2019 and of course we didn't know what we would be facing for the past 16 months or so, the demand for "stuff" is strong and with other shows coming on-line in the coming months as well, this show also promises to be a real eye-opener.

In the past a number of Railroad historical societies have been in attendance and going from memory I can recall seeing, the N&W, Sou, B&O, C&O, ACL/SAL, Chessie, PC, Ma & Pa, and a number of others. Who knows this year?

More will be forthcoming as we get a bunch closer but for now, mark your calendars, spread the word and let's all look forward to enjoying our hobby as we did before.

You can contact the show folks directly at Golden Spike Enterprises, Inc. if you desire more details.

Get ready for it's a comin'!!


Bob Cohen



locked Gaithersburg, Maryland train show is a *** GO *** Mark your calendars NOW - November 2021

Cohen Bob
 

Just got the flyers for the annual (except last year of course), Gaithersburg Railroadianna show in "only" 4 months. That seems like a long time, but in no time it will be upon us I am sure.

The date is the usual: first weekend of November 2021. The general public can get in for a modest admission fee on Sunday, November 7th only but if you are a more serious player, you can get in for I think it is $40, starting Noon on Friday the 5th.

I have seen just about everything imaginable that was involved with a railroad except a full-size locomotive and think I saw photos of one saying "ask" at least one time. All sorts of transportation related goodies will be there; lanterns and parts, RR China, books, videos, timetables, magazines from just about every imaginable source: railroad, rail-fans, companies, and you name it.

With it being 2 years since the last of this show in 2019 and of course we didn't know what we would be facing for the past 16 months or so, the demand for "stuff" is strong and with other shows coming on-line in the coming months as well, this show also promises to be a real eye-opener.

In the past a number of Railroad historical societies have been in attendance and going from memory I can recall seeing, the N&W, Sou, B&O, C&O, ACL/SAL, Chessie, PC, Ma & Pa, and a number of others. Who knows this year?

More will be forthcoming as we get a bunch closer but for now, mark your calendars, spread the word and let's all look forward to enjoying our hobby as we did before.

You can contact the show folks directly at Golden Spike Enterprises, Inc. if you desire more details.

Get ready for it's a comin'!!


Bob Cohen


locked Re: The end of Southern steam and "Extraordinary Obsolesce"

Ed Mims
 

My observations were that engineering people more often than not found a purpose for track, buildings, etc. that were planned for abandonment. The purpose was usually to park work equipment or to store materials.

Ed Mims
Jacksonville, FL

On Jul 1, 2021, at 11:09 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@bellsouth.net> wrote:

From the SRHA Archives:

When the Southern dieselized, many structures, tracks, etc. were rendered obsolete but still on the company’s books as assets. Rather than "write them down” over the usual IRS and AAR schedules, "Extraordinary Obsolesce” inventories were prepared and circulated so accounting paperwork and AFEs (authorizations) for their removal could be prepared.

The SRHA archives largest group of such files appear to be in the late 1940s to early 1950s when the Southern stopped using steam locomotives. I have uploaded one example from the Alabama Great Southern (AGS) on to Google Drive. The summary provides a good list of steam facilities to be retired. Note: the summaries changed quite often in the process. If another use was found for a track that had been used exclusively for steam servicing, for example, local operating or engineering people could ask that it retained.

As the Southern Railway “System” was still very much the corporate and accounting structure in 1950, there are multiple reports for AGS, CNO&TP, Southern, etc. and then for various operating divisions or terminals.

The Google Drive link is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LkY6VGITWCjNjQCXTyH8_1764SukG5Ah?usp=sharing

Ike

PS We hope to be able to continue our monthly archives work sessions from now on. The (third weekend) July session is scheduled for the 16th and 17th.




locked The end of Southern steam and "Extraordinary Obsolesce"

George Eichelberger
 

From the SRHA Archives:

When the Southern dieselized, many structures, tracks, etc. were rendered obsolete but still on the company’s books as assets. Rather than "write them down” over the usual IRS and AAR schedules, "Extraordinary Obsolesce” inventories were prepared and circulated so accounting paperwork and AFEs (authorizations) for their removal could be prepared.

The SRHA archives largest group of such files appear to be in the late 1940s to early 1950s when the Southern stopped using steam locomotives. I have uploaded one example from the Alabama Great Southern (AGS) on to Google Drive. The summary provides a good list of steam facilities to be retired. Note: the summaries changed quite often in the process. If another use was found for a track that had been used exclusively for steam servicing, for example, local operating or engineering people could ask that it retained.

As the Southern Railway “System” was still very much the corporate and accounting structure in 1950, there are multiple reports for AGS, CNO&TP, Southern, etc. and then for various operating divisions or terminals.

The Google Drive link is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1LkY6VGITWCjNjQCXTyH8_1764SukG5Ah?usp=sharing

Ike

PS We hope to be able to continue our monthly archives work sessions from now on. The (third weekend) July session is scheduled for the 16th and 17th.


locked Re: SOU Flatcar Paint Color in 1955

O Fenton Wells
 

In 1955 my memory says black. I’m not sure when the flats, hoppers and racks went to brown but I thought it was 1957. Could be wrong. Maybe some one who definitely knows will chime in. But you could still see the black paint scheme into the early 1960’s
Fenton 


On Jun 28, 2021, at 6:31 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


In 1955 would the Southern 53'6" flatcars in the 51000 series have been painted black or freight car red?

Allen Cain

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale

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