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locked Re: Hogshead cars

C J Wyatt
 

I saw them in the early 1990s at the Goodyear Plant in Topeka KS.

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, May 25, 2020, 10:27:24 PM EDT, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


A few questions about the ever popular hogshead cars.

1)  Where they ever in interchange service?  Especially in their original role of hauling tobacco "hogsheads".

2) I think most of them spent their later years hauling tires, especially from the plant near Spartanburg.  When did that start?  When did they last haul tobacco?  Were they used for anything else?


Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Hogshead cars

Jason Greene
 

They would have worked well in coke service. Knock the sky lights out and unload through the side doors. 

Just kidding of course. 

Were they not used in the furniture industry after tobacco service? 

Bob Graham said they were tested in beer can service, delivering empty cans to the Miller plant in NC I believe. Maybe he can refresh the story. 

Jason Greene 

On May 25, 2020, at 10:04 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


A few questions about the ever popular hogshead cars.

1)  Where they ever in interchange service?  Especially in their original role of hauling tobacco "hogsheads".

2) I think most of them spent their later years hauling tires, especially from the plant near Spartanburg.  When did that start?  When did they last haul tobacco?  Were they used for anything else?


Scott Chatfield


locked Hogshead cars

D. Scott Chatfield
 

A few questions about the ever popular hogshead cars.

1)  Where they ever in interchange service?  Especially in their original role of hauling tobacco "hogsheads".

2) I think most of them spent their later years hauling tires, especially from the plant near Spartanburg.  When did that start?  When did they last haul tobacco?  Were they used for anything else?


Scott Chatfield


locked Looking for Patrick Tillery

Jim King
 

Patrick Tillery please contact me off-list re: your SOU/NS wood chip hopper reservation.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


locked Re: Southern Railway In Color Volume 4

Allen Cain
 

From the Morning Sun Site:

Southern Railway in Color, Volume 4, cuts across the deep south despite starting in Illinois and Indiana. It then skips to eastern Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana before turning north to include Georgia, Florida and parts of the Carolinas. There's a thorough treatment of the crossroads of the Southern Railway, Atlanta. Exceptional photos are mostly from the 1970s and 1980s and feature some out of the way locations and unusual operations.   


Allen Cain

 


locked SRHA "By Location" Digital Files

George Eichelberger
 

As we move toward being able to do research and work in the SRHA archives, it may be worthwhile to discuss some of the projects we want to do.

The “Photos and Drawings” digital file includes more than 12,000 images. It consists of .tiff files of either photos, drawings or documents of locations in alphabetical order. Ohio, DC and Florida are the smallest, NC (2,632 files) is the largest.

Simply by the alphabet I’ll use “Alabama by Location” (1,078 items) as an example. A text (work in progress) version of the file is available on Google Drive with the following link:


Alabama locations are in separate directories (the syntax is Unix on my Mac) with individual scans for that location included. While locations are typically a town or city, items such as water towers (called water stations by the Southern, coaling towers are fuel stations), bridges and line side structures may show Mileposts as their location if they are not in a town. (Note that in railroad terminology, “station” may refer to a physical place, the end of a passing siding, in addition to a “depot”.

The photos and negatives in the SRHA archives came from various sources, some photos and negative envelopes are well marked, others tell us little to nothing, some are simply wrong. Notice that many items on the list are simply consecutive numbers. When the items were scanned, the goal was simply to record what was available, not to edit captions or attempt to figure out what the item is showing.

We need to revisit each photo print, drawing or negative and either enter or confirm the file name (and IPTC meta data) or determine if the location can be identified without caption data. Because whoever is doing the work will need access to both the digital files and scanned material, the work must be done at the SRHA archives at TVRM.

As we can open things back up, if you are interested in helping,  plan to go to Chattanooga either for a work session or other dates if we can make arrangements. Send a note to archives@...

Ike


locked Southern Railway In Color Volume 4

Curtis Brookshire
 

FYI to all: Southern Railway in Color Volume 4 is now available for pre-order from Morning Sun Books. I just ordered mine. There's a $10.00 discount for pre-orders. Morning Sun is listing an August 1 release date. 

Curtis Brookshire, Pine Level NC


locked Google Drive

George Eichelberger
 

All:

Sorry some folks were having a problem downloading the SR tonnage map from Google Drive. They changed something and reset the defaults for downloads. I changed it back to simply requiring using the link:


I’d like to hear everyone's comments on making drawings like this available.

And…we plan (!) on having the June SRHA archives work session as scheduled (www.srha.net). We will be asking anyone coming to observe some anti virus items and we are monitoring the conditions in GA and TN.

If enough people are interested, we will schedule a “virtual” work session to explain how drawings are marked, etc.

Ike


locked Re: Asheville/S-Line Traffic

Tim
 

My time period is 1974. I like EMD -2s and there was still a passenger train on the line then.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Asheville/S-Line Traffic

George Eichelberger
 

Tim:

We have a number of Asheville Div train sheets from the early 1940s, they show an amazing number of trains on the River Line west of Asheville. As a Division Point, Asheville handled trains on the S Line and the A&S not to mention servicing locos from those lines and the Murphy Branch.

I don’t know what dates you are interested in so I’ve uploaded the latest full resolution System Tonnage Map for 1958 vs 1957. It’s a big .tiff file but it downloads quickly.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aVM_-FpdDTlg0OlV38bamtjuIgL0djiY/view?usp=sharing

The presentation I mentioned is primarily about John Sevier Yard but Asheville is mentioned several times, if enough people are interested it could be one of the first we record and put on line.

Ike



On May 19, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

Hello Ike;

As another modeler of the Southern lines in North Carolina (in my case, the S line from Spencer/Salisbury to Morganton) this doesn't surprise me as much as you might think. I have the good fortune to have a number of train orders issued along this line and I have evidence of eastbound freight trains running in as many as four sections. When additional westbound trains were needed they were generally run as extras.

It's kind of lost in that blob between Salisbury and Charlotte, but I wonder about the tonnage between Statesville and Charlotte on the O line. I've heard that there were some monster trains run on this line and I have at least one order for an engine to display signals and run as First No 148 from Asheville to Statesville. I presume that from there it would go to Charlotte down the O Line.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Peachtree Station Drawings

Kyle Shannon
 

Ike, 

I have a drawing of the Butterfly shed for the Asheville platform that I can bring to scan in the next work session, whenever that is.




On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 2:12 PM, sgwarner88@... wrote:

I always enjoyed boarding 20 and stepping down from 19 at this "suburban" station.  I expect that the SRHA files may not have one interesting aspect of it, though, since NS was diligent to trashing records a few years after I retired.  Working under the NRPC authority in the early 2000's for NS, we were experiencing spalling from under Peachtree Road, threatening Amtrak engine crews boarding the engines under it.  I met with GA. DOT as well.  After researching the history, we found that the small parking area in front of it was actually on top of the old Peachtree Road, and the same parking area overpass was actually GA DOT Peachtree Road RofW.   GA DOT had to fix it, by first installing a net to catch falling concrete pieces (and after avoiding their responsibility by closing the space for a while).  So, who would have thunk it?


locked Re: Peachtree Station Drawings

Stephen Warner
 

I always enjoyed boarding 20 and stepping down from 19 at this "suburban" station.  I expect that the SRHA files may not have one interesting aspect of it, though, since NS was diligent to trashing records a few years after I retired.  Working under the NRPC authority in the early 2000's for NS, we were experiencing spalling from under Peachtree Road, threatening Amtrak engine crews boarding the engines under it.  I met with GA. DOT as well.  After researching the history, we found that the small parking area in front of it was actually on top of the old Peachtree Road, and the same parking area overpass was actually GA DOT Peachtree Road RofW.   GA DOT had to fix it, by first installing a net to catch falling concrete pieces (and after avoiding their responsibility by closing the space for a while).  So, who would have thunk it?


locked Asheville/S-Line Traffic

Tim
 

Hello Ike;

As another modeler of the Southern lines in North Carolina (in my case, the S line from Spencer/Salisbury to Morganton) this doesn't surprise me as much as you might think. I have the good fortune to have a number of train orders issued along this line and I have evidence of eastbound freight trains running in as many as four sections. When additional westbound trains were needed they were generally run as extras.

It's kind of lost in that blob between Salisbury and Charlotte, but I wonder about the tonnage between Statesville and Charlotte on the O line. I've heard that there were some monster trains run on this line and I have at least one order for an engine to display signals and run as First No 148 from Asheville to Statesville. I presume that from there it would go to Charlotte down the O Line.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: [Southern Railway] Peachtree Station Drawings

John M. Ware, P.E.
 

Ike,

  Specifically what are you trying to accomplish with the Brookwood station drawings? A re constructed set of original drawings? Organized arrangement of existing drawings or composite  of Floor Plans and Building Elevations? Sections?

  Is the existing information only on micro-film not paper?

 

John Ware

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:25 AM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Peachtree Station Drawings

 

There is an extensive set of microfilm, now scanned, drawings of Brookwood (Peachtree) Station in Atlanta in the SRHA archives. All are partial views of the architect’s plans in the very detailed style of the period when buildings incorporated significant stone work. (One example is attached.)

 

There is also a good size file on the planning, construction and opening of the station, conceived to be an Atlanta station stop that would not require trains to go to and from Atlanta Term Station from Howells.

 

Even without a potential TIES article, reconstructed, even re-drawn, drawings would be a valuable addition to the archives. If anyone is interested in helping, or has an idea that may be useful, please contact SRHA at archives@....

 

Thanks!

 

Ike

 


locked Re: Peachtree Station Drawings

George Eichelberger
 

Mike:

I promise Asheville was more than a “Service Area”. I used several of these charts in a presentation to the Lexington Group a few years ago. Even an audience that knowledgable about RR history was surprised to hear the Southern carried more tonnage through Asheville than Atlanta.

Ike



On May 19, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Michael Roderick <mdrghost@...> wrote:

Ike:

Do you have any other drawings of Asheville yard and anything else? I will be building a model of the Branch on my layout, but I want to include operations of Asheville area going to Spencer Yard which would be a off layout staging. So far with what you and Gordon have given me and I have been able to find on old Topo maps. Asheville was just more than a service area for the Southern back in the early years.

Mike



locked Re: Peachtree Station Drawings

George Eichelberger
 

Mike:

Unfortunately, I had a complete set that were loaned to someone and never returned. For years, I have asked if anyone knows of them and if they could be returned. The “loan” was long before it was possible to make high quality scans so we do not have a digital version. My (rather large) Asheville HO layout has a spot reserved for the depot but without something resembling accurate plans, it will not be built. A custom builder, using early 3D printing technology made a beautiful model and offered to make another for me. I responded to his offer but never heard anything from it.

The drawings were given to me by a friend in Sarasota, FL in the early 70s. He had obtained them from the City of Asheville but I have never been able to locate his source. Maybe someone living in the area could make some inquiries?

Ike

PS The archives include quite a few photos of Asheville Yard and a number of track layouts and VAL maps over the years. Asheville, like many other locations on the Southern, “needs” a comprehensive article in TIES. I’ve attached a partial drawing re-used to show new steam lines from the Asheville power house.




On May 19, 2020, at 8:43 AM, Michael Roderick <mdrghost@...> wrote:

Ike:

Have you seen any drawings of the Asheville Station? If so I would love to have a copy of it for my project.

Mike


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 08:25
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Peachtree Station Drawings
 
There is an extensive set of microfilm, now scanned, drawings of Brookwood (Peachtree) Station in Atlanta in the SRHA archives. All are partial views of the architect’s plans in the very detailed style of the period when buildings incorporated significant stone work. (One example is attached.)

There is also a good size file on the planning, construction and opening of the station, conceived to be an Atlanta station stop that would not require trains to go to and from Atlanta Term Station from Howells.

Even without a potential TIES article, reconstructed, even re-drawn, drawings would be a valuable addition to the archives. If anyone is interested in helping, or has an idea that may be useful, please contact SRHA at archives@....

Thanks!

Ike

<Atlanta Peachtree Sta 2.jpeg>


locked Re: Peachtree Station Drawings

Michael Roderick
 

Ike:

Have you seen any drawings of the Asheville Station? If so I would love to have a copy of it for my project.

Mike


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 08:25
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Peachtree Station Drawings
 
There is an extensive set of microfilm, now scanned, drawings of Brookwood (Peachtree) Station in Atlanta in the SRHA archives. All are partial views of the architect’s plans in the very detailed style of the period when buildings incorporated significant stone work. (One example is attached.)

There is also a good size file on the planning, construction and opening of the station, conceived to be an Atlanta station stop that would not require trains to go to and from Atlanta Term Station from Howells.

Even without a potential TIES article, reconstructed, even re-drawn, drawings would be a valuable addition to the archives. If anyone is interested in helping, or has an idea that may be useful, please contact SRHA at archives@....

Thanks!

Ike


locked Peachtree Station Drawings

George Eichelberger
 

There is an extensive set of microfilm, now scanned, drawings of Brookwood (Peachtree) Station in Atlanta in the SRHA archives. All are partial views of the architect’s plans in the very detailed style of the period when buildings incorporated significant stone work. (One example is attached.)

There is also a good size file on the planning, construction and opening of the station, conceived to be an Atlanta station stop that would not require trains to go to and from Atlanta Term Station from Howells.

Even without a potential TIES article, reconstructed, even re-drawn, drawings would be a valuable addition to the archives. If anyone is interested in helping, or has an idea that may be useful, please contact SRHA at archives@....

Thanks!

Ike


locked Vance Lumber Co - 1971

George Eichelberger
 

Not everything in the Southern Railway Presidents’ files in the SRHA archives is “heavy” business correspondence, some is remarkably informal and even “chatty”. The personal correspondence file of SR President Graham Claytor is among the largest in the archives. Many are to and from railfans but letters, and photos, from shippers are not unusual.

The following four items date from 5-6 to 5-12-1971.

Ike

 




locked Re: What in blazes?

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Thanks Bill and Bob.  I just couldn't see that short car being used in a full-length passenger train with E units and 85' cars.  A derailment waiting to happen.


Scott Chatfield

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