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locked Re: Express Car Movements

George Eichelberger
 

Here is a cover letter and the first two, of sixteen, pages from the August, 1949 Chicago Association of Commerce and Industry “Package Car Service” Bulletin in the SRHA archives.

The term “package car” appears to have been used, at least in the Eastern US, almost universally for shipments that were not using an LCL tariff for loads going to more than one destination or consignee. Pages two through sixteen show package car routes out of Chicago to locations in the US and Canada.

Although I cannot locate a note confirming, the first entry for a route in “VIA” column is obviously the originating Chicago railroad.

There are multiple copies of the “Bulletin" in the SRHA archives in addition to several version of the “Merchandise Car Directory” published by the Southern Railway. I expect all major railroads had similar lists or publications. An article on package cars will be in an upcoming issue of “TIES”, the SRHA magazine.

The Southern chose not to have box cars marked for the service. As Atlanta was the largest source of out bound cars, the logic was there would always be empties in Atlanta to load at the three freight stations (plus Sears Roebuck) so having specially painted cars return empty was not efficient.

Ike
locked Re: Passenger car documentation in the SRHA archives

Edwin Locklin
 

Ike,
 
Well, I got in a hurry and forgot the attachment.  Here it is.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 

From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:21 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Passenger car documentation in the SRHA archives
 
I have been scanning documents in the archives on the 1949 order for cars for the Crescent. Here are three examples that tell their own story. Although I do not know how many Budd drawings we have, none are on microfilm, I am looking for drawings lists we can use to start to organize the hard copy drawings. I’m interested in the Budd material because I am working on a number of different models and I’d like to locate any that could be useful as TVRM restores and works on the Southern Budd diner they purchased from Amtrak. We’ll do an article on the diners in TIES and work on a plan to package drawings for people that may want to do some models themselves. (Underfloor passenger car equipment layouts have been the hardest to locate.)
 
Someone may know if the L&N and the A&WP adopted the Budd designs?
 
Ike
 
 
 
locked Re: Passenger car documentation in the SRHA archives

Edwin Locklin
 

Ike,
 
The attachement to this letter might be what you’re looking for.  It’s a drawing of the Budd-built dining cars # 3305-3312.  I couldn’t find one for the single ordered #3869.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 

From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 8:21 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Passenger car documentation in the SRHA archives
 
I have been scanning documents in the archives on the 1949 order for cars for the Crescent. Here are three examples that tell their own story. Although I do not know how many Budd drawings we have, none are on microfilm, I am looking for drawings lists we can use to start to organize the hard copy drawings. I’m interested in the Budd material because I am working on a number of different models and I’d like to locate any that could be useful as TVRM restores and works on the Southern Budd diner they purchased from Amtrak. We’ll do an article on the diners in TIES and work on a plan to package drawings for people that may want to do some models themselves. (Underfloor passenger car equipment layouts have been the hardest to locate.)
 
Someone may know if the L&N and the A&WP adopted the Budd designs?
 
Ike
 
 
 
locked Passenger car documentation in the SRHA archives

George Eichelberger
 

I have been scanning documents in the archives on the 1949 order for cars for the Crescent. Here are three examples that tell their own story. Although I do not know how many Budd drawings we have, none are on microfilm, I am looking for drawings lists we can use to start to organize the hard copy drawings. I’m interested in the Budd material because I am working on a number of different models and I’d like to locate any that could be useful as TVRM restores and works on the Southern Budd diner they purchased from Amtrak. We’ll do an article on the diners in TIES and work on a plan to package drawings for people that may want to do some models themselves. (Underfloor passenger car equipment layouts have been the hardest to locate.)

Someone may know if the L&N and the A&WP adopted the Budd designs?

Ike
locked Re: New member questions on the St. Louis line

Tim
 

You might want to consider the new book from Morning Sun Books, Southern Railway in Color. It includes a good section on the Louisville to St. Louis line.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC
locked Re: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

George Eichelberger
 

Everyone…please follow Allen’s request and communicate with him off line.

Ike


On Jul 27, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

John,

If I understand your question, these are just a part of the model number.  Red Caboose and Intermountain will produce a series of cars using the same mold with different road numbers and put an extension on the part number to designate a particular road number kit.

Hope that helps.

I failed to mention that I ask that all responses come to me direct off line so as to not clutter up this list and I will see them much quicker.

Allen Cain
locked Re: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

Allen Cain
 

John,

If I understand your question, these are just a part of the model number.  Red Caboose and Intermountain will produce a series of cars using the same mold with different road numbers and put an extension on the part number to designate a particular road number kit.

Hope that helps.

I failed to mention that I ask that all responses come to me direct off line so as to not clutter up this list and I will see them much quicker.

Allen Cain
locked Re: FS: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

A&Y Dave in MD
 

It was a pdf attachment. I saw it.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jul 26, 2020, at 6:11 PM, William L Vanderburg <Army30th@...> wrote:

I don't see a list.

locked Re: FS: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

William L Vanderburg
 

I don't see a list.
locked Re: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

John Stewart
 

Hi folks

 

Allen, what do the numbers and letters in the columns between “Model Number” and “Model Price” mean?

 

Sorry if I missed a previous explanation, I have been out of town.

 

Thanks

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

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locked Re: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

Allen Cain
 

  Probably would help it I actually attached the list, D'Oh🤔

Allen Cain

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 2:57 PM Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:
Please look at the attached list as I am sure that you will find something of interest.  The list includes many cars that would have been seen on the Southern during the transition era.

I am offering discounts on multiple kit purchases so dig deep into the list and save a lot of money as compared to the rising price of kits and RTR cars today.

Orders will be processed on a first come first serve basis so I encourage you to not wait too long for what you want.

As I continue to strive to make room for the layout I hope to build I still need to sell a lot of kit and some RTR that I have accumulated over the years.  Most, if not all, are out of production.

So I REALLY need your help to clear the floor space!

Thanks in advance,

Allen Cain

PDF
Inventory - Rolling Stock For Sale.pdf

locked FS: Large Lot of HO Transition Era Freight and Passenger Cars

Allen Cain
 

Please look at the attached list as I am sure that you will find something of interest.  The list includes many cars that would have been seen on the Southern during the transition era.

I am offering discounts on multiple kit purchases so dig deep into the list and save a lot of money as compared to the rising price of kits and RTR cars today.

Orders will be processed on a first come first serve basis so I encourage you to not wait too long for what you want.

As I continue to strive to make room for the layout I hope to build I still need to sell a lot of kit and some RTR that I have accumulated over the years.  Most, if not all, are out of production.

So I REALLY need your help to clear the floor space!

Thanks in advance,

Allen Cain
locked Re: Southern’s Single Window Coaches

Bill Schafer
 

As far as I can tell, SOU had no coaches in the 4500-series. The few passenger cars numbered 4500s were some heavyweight Pullmans acquired in the Pullman split of 1948. Also, a couple baggage-RPOs and 12 of those elegant baggage cars converted from surplus Pullmans at Hayne Shop in the 1950s. They were “owned” by (and sublettered for) the NO&NE.

I don’t know how prototypical this model is supposed to be, but its number is wrong for a coach.

—Bill


On Jul 22, 2020, at 09:35, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Evan:

While there were a few Southern paired window 13xx coaches built by PSCCo, far and away most from the “heavyweight” era were single window designs. Here’s an example from an old “Cyc”.

Ike

<Sou 1464 coach from Cyc copy.tiff>

On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Evan Miller via groups.io <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, Micro-Trains just released an N Scale Southern single window coach with road number 4500. I was wondering how common single window coaches were on the Southern, and does anyone have any information on the class the 4500 was in? 

-Evan Miller
locked Re: Southern’s Single Window Coaches

George Eichelberger
 

Evan:

While there were a few Southern paired window 13xx coaches built by PSCCo, far and away most from the “heavyweight” era were single window designs. Here’s an example from an old “Cyc”.

Ike



On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:17 AM, Evan Miller via groups.io <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, Micro-Trains just released an N Scale Southern single window coach with road number 4500. I was wondering how common single window coaches were on the Southern, and does anyone have any information on the class the 4500 was in? 

-Evan Miller
locked Re: New member questions on the St. Louis line

Michael Shirey
 

To the fellow that is modeling this line. Here is a link that may help you with some research on this line. http://www.aeromoe.com/NS.html





Thanks, Michael Shirey 







On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 9:29 AM Al Collins <erb_2939@...> wrote:
Hello Jack,

Guess I did leave that important bit out. 

1977-1982 would be my focus, as it allows for GP50s and some of the earlier GEs at the same time.


Thanks,

Alex



-------- Original message --------
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
Date: 2020-07-18 08:33 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] New member questions on the St. Louis line

Alex, what time period?

Jack Wyatt





On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 08:01:46 AM EDT, Al Collins <erb_2939@...> wrote:







Hello everyone,




I in the planning stages of of a HO-scale layout based on the Louisville to St. Louis line. 




I've tried searching on the web for informating on the line but have had no luck.




Primarily I'm looking for what were the trains that ran over it with orgins and destinations. I've seen mention of 111 and 112 in what I have managed to find. 




Also where there any locals that ran on the line and what online customers where there? I've also seen mention of a train 73.




Also, this is a broad question, but basically anything of revelent would be appricated. 





Thanks you in advance,




Alex

locked Penn Central and North-South Piggyback Traffic

George Eichelberger
 

Everyone is probably aware of how “low” PC was in the early 1970s. Freight traffic through its southern gateways at Pot Yard and the N&W through Harrisburg was considered short haul traffic not worth PC’s limited resources.

The attached Southern Railway August 8, 1971 memo is from the time where the SR was trying to expand and develop its Rail-Highway business through Potomac Yard to New York.

Someone may have statistics but I expect the North-South Norfolk Southern intermodal business today exceeds anything ever done during the PC or Conrail eras?

Ike
locked Re: New member questions on the St. Louis line

Al Collins
 

Hello Jack,

Guess I did leave that important bit out. 

1977-1982 would be my focus, as it allows for GP50s and some of the earlier GEs at the same time.


Thanks,

Alex



-------- Original message --------
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
Date: 2020-07-18 08:33 (GMT-05:00)
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] New member questions on the St. Louis line

Alex, what time period?

Jack Wyatt





On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 08:01:46 AM EDT, Al Collins <erb_2939@...> wrote:







Hello everyone,




I in the planning stages of of a HO-scale layout based on the Louisville to St. Louis line. 




I've tried searching on the web for informating on the line but have had no luck.




Primarily I'm looking for what were the trains that ran over it with orgins and destinations. I've seen mention of 111 and 112 in what I have managed to find. 




Also where there any locals that ran on the line and what online customers where there? I've also seen mention of a train 73.




Also, this is a broad question, but basically anything of revelent would be appricated. 





Thanks you in advance,




Alex

locked Re: New member questions on the St. Louis line

C J Wyatt
 

Alex, what time period?

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, July 18, 2020, 08:01:46 AM EDT, Al Collins <erb_2939@hotmail.com> wrote:







Hello everyone,




I in the planning stages of of a HO-scale layout based on the Louisville to St. Louis line. 




I've tried searching on the web for informating on the line but have had no luck.




Primarily I'm looking for what were the trains that ran over it with orgins and destinations. I've seen mention of 111 and 112 in what I have managed to find. 




Also where there any locals that ran on the line and what online customers where there? I've also seen mention of a train 73.




Also, this is a broad question, but basically anything of revelent would be appricated. 





Thanks you in advance,




Alex
locked Need old NS decal help

Jim King
 

Does anyone make original NS decals in HO that can be adapted to this car?

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 
locked Southern’s Single Window Coaches

Evan Miller
 

Hello everyone, Micro-Trains just released an N Scale Southern single window coach with road number 4500. I was wondering how common single window coaches were on the Southern, and does anyone have any information on the class the 4500 was in? 

-Evan Miller
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