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Re: Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948
rwbrv4
Hey Ike, I just woke up to the fact there's no page 4.
Rick
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From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2020 3:00 pm Subject: [SouthernRailway] Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948 Note attached…as we approach the holidays, be governed accordingly.
(SRHA Presidents’ Files Box 531c, File 12)
Ike
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Re: 1985 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions
John
Tim:
Yes, the 1979 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions online at is another good resource. Interesting to compare the changes between the two. The one that jumped out at me was the elimination of 171 and 172 run-through trains to Toledo on the B&O. I've been looking for Freight Schedules and Blocking books for earlier than 1979. If someone out there has one, it would be great it they could scan a copy and share. John C
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Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948
George Eichelberger
Note attached…as we approach the holidays, be governed accordingly.
(SRHA Presidents’ Files Box 531c, File 12) Ike
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Re: 1985 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions
Thanks John. I've got a February 1979 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions from this site: http://southern.railfan.net/
For the eastern lines, one of the biggest differences between these two was the construction of the new Spencer Yard in Linwood, NC, in 1979. That dramatically changed how freight was moved, particularly to the smaller terminals. For instance, in the 1985 document trains 131 and 132, between Winston-Salem and Charlotte, were removed. Trains 166 and 167, which ran between Charlotte and Knoxville in early 1979, were Knoxville to Spencer trains in 1985. I'm sure there are other examples. Eventually, much of the through traffic on the Spencer/Asheville/Morristown, TN, S-Line was moved to the N&W main line. While it's after the 1982 merger date, and there are some N&W symbols included, at least it's still a Southern Ry. document. :) Tim Rumph Lancaster, SC
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Re: Asheville Division
Dave:
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I would like a copy of that information also.
Mike
On Oct 19, 2020, at 14:32, "daveroberts10@..." <daveroberts10@...> wrote:
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Re: Asheville Division
daveroberts10@...
Thanks for the reply
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Re: Asheville Division
Carl Ardrey
Railroad Retirement Board. All the divisional records are long gone.
CEA
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Asheville Division
daveroberts10@...
Looking for any source of information related to G A Jones Freight Agent/Clerk Asheville Division 1909 to early 60’s.
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1985 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions
John
I recently worked with the owner of the movingthefreight.com website to post a copy of the 2/85 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions from my collection. It is a total of 369 pages in PDF format and includes all manifest freights and unit coal trains. For purists, it's after the NS merger but still in the traditional Southern Railway schedule and blocking format. The big changes would come in 1988 when NS went to a common train numbering format for both the N&W and SOU.
You may access it at the link below. https://movingthefreight.com/railroads/southern/ John
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PRR (Attempted?) Charges for Through Passenger Cars at Washington
George Eichelberger
In 1958, the PRR's financial condition was bad and getting worse. On January 10, 1958 the PRR President sent a letter to the Presidents all of the railroads with through passenger car connections at Washington Union Terminal informing them PRR would asses a $20 per car charge for every car. Every connecting line wrote back with an emphatic "NO". Undaunted, the PRR followed up with the attached letter dated Feb 5, 1958. Although there are quite a few letters and attachments in the SRHA Archives on the subject, none found so far are clear if/how long the charge "stuck".
The second attachment is one of several inb the file describing the number of cars to and from the Southern. Other attachments break the cars down to individual Southern schedules connecting to PRR trains at DC. As with many (!) subjects, the archives contain a rich source of information on many topics. Attachments or letters on one subject provide information on others, Southern through train activity at WUT in this example. It's impossible to say when we will be able to open the archives to work sessions again but when we can, this is the kind of material SRHA members will be able to access, research and hopefully describe in articles for TIES. Ike
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Re: SRHA Archives Work Sessions
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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Thurston
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:44 PM To: Groups.io, SouthernRailway Subject: [SouthernRailway] SRHA Archives Work Sessions
The SRHA archives work sessions have been cancelled from now until the end of the year 2020, and until further notice, due to the continuing threat of Covid-19.
As usual, anyone needing access may contact Ike or myself, but we will not be gathering in groups.
Jim Thurston
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SRHA Archives Work Sessions
Jim Thurston
The SRHA archives work sessions have been cancelled from now until the end of the year 2020, and until further notice, due to the continuing threat of Covid-19. As usual, anyone needing access may contact Ike or myself, but we will not be gathering in groups. Jim Thurston
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Re: Three days a week beyond Atlanta to New Orleans
Bill Schafer
Steve:
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You’re right that trains 1 & 2’s schedule changed from daily to New Orleans in the August 12, 1970 timetable, to tri-weekly in the November 20, 1970 timetable between Birmingham and New Orleans; the trains still ran daily between Atlanta and Birmingham. Effective with the June 1, 1975 timetable, trains 1 & 2 became tri-weekly south of Atlanta. —Bill
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Three days a week beyond Atlanta to New Orleans
Steve Ellis
One of my most poignant memories from my childhood was, right after high school, I took a trip from where I grew up in New Brunswick Canada to Atlanta. I had dreamed about going to Georgia for years, and this was finally my chance. I rode the Southern Railway from Washington to Atlanta on October 9 to October 10, 1970. I know for sure that, on that day, the train did not terminate in Atlanta. At that time, I did not know the country nearly as well as I do now, but I was very excited to be going to the south on the train. I was looking at everybody’s hat check, and I saw some abbreviations that I initially did not understand. I had just assumed the train terminated in Atlanta. Finally I figured out the train went to Birmingham and New Orleans. I can’t remember exactly the abbreviations, but New Orleans may have been simply NO instead of the current N0L. The train arrived on time in Atlanta which was I think at 8:55 AM. I have a schedule from the Southern Railway System dated November 20, 1970. The schedule states that the train only continued beyond Atlanta on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. This must have started sometime between October 10 and November 20 of this year, 1970. (?)Steve Ellis, Brooklyn, New York
On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:
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Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables
Robert Hanson
Mitchell Street.
Forsyth Street runs parallel to the railroad.
Mitchell crosses it on the Mitchell Street Viaduct.
Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA
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From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2020 11:59 am Subject: Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables Close enough!
Jack On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 11:57:35 AM EDT, John Stewart <jstew@...> wrote: Hi again folks On retrospect, I don't think it was the Mitchell Street viaduct... Maybe Forsyth St. Only been 46 years... John Stewart Birmingham, AL
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Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables
C J Wyatt
Close enough!
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Jack
On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 11:57:35 AM EDT, John Stewart <jstew@bhamrails.info> wrote:
Hi again folks On retrospect, I don't think it was the Mitchell Street viaduct... Maybe Forsyth St. Only been 46 years... John Stewart Birmingham, AL
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Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables
Hi again folks
On retrospect, I don't think it was the Mitchell Street viaduct... Maybe Forsyth St. Only been 46 years... John Stewart Birmingham, AL
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Hi folks
Wonderful map! My first engineering assignment in 1974 was to look at an over height boxcar wedged under Mitchell st viaduct, am evaluate damage to the old bridge. John Stewart Birmingham, AL
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Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables
Steve Ellis
Thank you very much, Jack. I appreciate the information.
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On Oct 9, 2020, at 1:26 AM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables
Robert Hanson
I believe the address was 85 Spring Street.
The Southern Railway office buildings were at 99 and 125 Spring Street. The Southern (or Norfolk Southern) built an additional building at 185 Spring in the 1980's, I think.
The Richard B. Russell Federal Office Building occupies the site of Atlanta Terminal Station today.
Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA
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From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2020 1:25 am Subject: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables Steve,
Atlanta Terminal Station was on Spring Street, just up from then Southern offices in Atlanta. Attached is a map from the 1934 study. Hope this helps. Jack Wyatt On Tuesday, October 6, 2020, 11:14:17 AM EDT, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: Where was the Atlanta terminal station located? Was it on Peachtree Street? Steve Ellis Brooklyn NY
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