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locked Margin Notes!

George Eichelberger
 

Organizing the SRHA Southern Presidents' files is a bit more complex because so many memos and letters include comments or responses written on the original or copy. In pre Xerox days, the original would be passed around and might make its way back to the sender with multiple margin notes. (DWB could fill up every square inch on a memo with margin notes.)

Here is an example from June 26, 1970 discussing what to do with baggage cars after the PO stopped RPO service between Charlotte and Washington. (The cars appear to all be baggage (mail storage) rather than RPOs.

Ike


locked Re: Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948

George Eichelberger
 

Rick:

Good catch! There is no scan of Pg 4, I’ll go back to the paper file and see if I can locate it!

Ike


On Oct 21, 2020, at 5:50 AM, rwbrv4 via groups.io <Rwbrv4@...> wrote:

Hey Ike, I just woke up to the fact there's no page 4.
Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2020 3:00 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948

Note attached…as we approach the holidays, be governed accordingly.
(SRHA Presidents’ Files Box 531c, File 12)

Ike

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locked Re: Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948

rwbrv4
 

Hey Ike, I just woke up to the fact there's no page 4.
Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Oct 19, 2020 3:00 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948

Note attached…as we approach the holidays, be governed accordingly.
(SRHA Presidents’ Files Box 531c, File 12)

Ike


locked Re: 1985 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions

John
 

Tim:

Yes, the 1979 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions online at is another good resource.  Interesting to compare the changes between the two.  The one that jumped out at me was the elimination of 171 and 172 run-through trains to Toledo on the B&O.  

I've been looking for Freight Schedules and Blocking books for earlier than 1979.  If someone out there has one, it would be great it they could scan a copy and share. 

John C


locked Instructions for Handling Holiday Mail - 1948

George Eichelberger
 

Note attached…as we approach the holidays, be governed accordingly.
(SRHA Presidents’ Files Box 531c, File 12)

Ike


locked Re: 1985 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions

Tim
 

Thanks John. I've got a February 1979 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions from this site: http://southern.railfan.net/

For the eastern lines, one of the biggest differences between these two was the construction of the new Spencer Yard in Linwood, NC, in 1979. That dramatically changed how freight was moved, particularly to the smaller terminals. For instance, in the 1985 document trains 131 and 132, between Winston-Salem and Charlotte, were removed. Trains 166 and 167, which ran between Charlotte and Knoxville in early 1979, were Knoxville to Spencer trains in 1985. I'm sure there are other examples. Eventually, much of the through traffic on the Spencer/Asheville/Morristown, TN, S-Line was moved to the N&W main line.

While it's after the 1982 merger date, and there are some N&W symbols included, at least it's still a Southern Ry. document. :)

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Asheville Division

Michael Roderick
 

Dave:

I would like a copy of that information also.

Mike 


On Oct 19, 2020, at 14:32, "daveroberts10@..." <daveroberts10@...> wrote:

Thanks for the reply


locked Re: Asheville Division

daveroberts10@...
 

Thanks for the reply


locked Re: Asheville Division

Carl Ardrey
 

Railroad Retirement Board.  All the divisional records are long gone.
CEA

On 10/19/2020 1:19 PM daveroberts10@... wrote:


Looking for any source of information related to G A Jones Freight Agent/Clerk Asheville Division 1909 to early 60’s. 


locked Asheville Division

daveroberts10@...
 

Looking for any source of information related to G A Jones Freight Agent/Clerk Asheville Division 1909 to early 60’s. 


locked 1985 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions

John
 

I recently worked with the owner of the movingthefreight.com website to post a copy of the 2/85 Freight Train Schedules and Blocking Instructions from my collection.  It is a total of 369 pages in PDF format and includes all manifest freights and unit coal trains.  For purists, it's after the NS merger but still in the traditional Southern Railway schedule and blocking format.  The big changes would come in 1988 when NS went to a common train numbering format for both the N&W and SOU.

You may access it at the link below.

https://movingthefreight.com/railroads/southern/

John


locked PRR (Attempted?) Charges for Through Passenger Cars at Washington

George Eichelberger
 

In 1958, the PRR's financial condition was bad and getting worse. On January 10, 1958 the PRR President sent a letter to the Presidents all of the railroads with through passenger car connections at Washington Union Terminal informing them PRR would asses a $20 per car charge for every car. Every connecting line wrote back with an emphatic "NO". Undaunted, the PRR followed up with the attached letter dated Feb 5, 1958. Although there are quite a few letters and attachments in the SRHA Archives on the subject, none found so far are clear if/how long the charge "stuck".

The second attachment is one of several inb the file describing the number of cars to and from the Southern. Other attachments break the cars down to individual Southern schedules connecting to PRR trains at DC.

As with many (!) subjects, the archives contain a rich source of information on many topics. Attachments or letters on one subject provide information on others, Southern through train activity at WUT in this example. It's impossible to say when we will be able to open the archives to work sessions again but when we can, this is the kind of material SRHA members will be able to access, research and hopefully describe in articles for TIES.

Ike


locked Re: SRHA Archives Work Sessions

John Stewart
 

Hi Jim

 

Thanks for the update

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Thurston
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2020 6:44 PM
To: Groups.io, SouthernRailway
Subject: [SouthernRailway] SRHA Archives Work Sessions

 

The SRHA archives work sessions have been cancelled from now until the end of the year 2020, and until further notice, due to the continuing threat of Covid-19.

 

As usual, anyone needing access may contact Ike or myself, but we will not be gathering in groups.

 

Jim Thurston


locked SRHA Archives Work Sessions

Jim Thurston
 

The SRHA archives work sessions have been cancelled from now until the end of the year 2020, and until further notice, due to the continuing threat of Covid-19.

As usual, anyone needing access may contact Ike or myself, but we will not be gathering in groups.

Jim Thurston


locked Re: Three days a week beyond Atlanta to New Orleans

Bill Schafer
 

Steve:

You’re right that trains 1 & 2’s schedule changed from daily to New Orleans in the August 12, 1970 timetable, to tri-weekly in the November 20, 1970 timetable between Birmingham and New Orleans; the trains still ran daily between Atlanta and Birmingham. Effective with the June 1, 1975 timetable, trains 1 & 2 became tri-weekly south of Atlanta.

—Bill

On Oct 10, 2020, at 13:15, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

One of my most poignant memories from my childhood was, right after high school, I took a trip from where I grew up in New Brunswick Canada to Atlanta. I had dreamed about going to Georgia for years, and this was finally my chance.


I rode the Southern Railway from Washington to Atlanta on October 9 to October 10, 1970. I know for sure that, on that day, the train did not terminate in Atlanta.


At that time, I did not know the country nearly as well as I do now, but I was very excited to be going to the south on the train. I was looking at everybody’s hat check, and I saw some abbreviations that I initially did not understand. I had just assumed the train terminated in Atlanta.


Finally I figured out the train went to Birmingham and New Orleans. I can’t remember exactly the abbreviations, but New Orleans may have been simply NO instead of the current N0L. 


The train arrived on time in Atlanta which was I think at 8:55 AM.


I have a schedule from the Southern Railway System dated November 20, 1970. 
The schedule states that the train only continued beyond Atlanta on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. This must have started sometime between October 10 and November 20 of this year, 1970. (?)


Steve Ellis,
Brooklyn, New York



On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

George,

Yes I did meet Ben Roberts at his home. He was a very nice man, and he had an impressive collection from the Southern Railroad.


Steve



On Sep 9, 2020, at 8:28 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Steve:

Ben Roberts and Oscar Kimsey were the "heart and soul" of the Southern Railway Historical Society. Both were prolific photographers and more or less produced "Southern Rails" by themselves. They were not really interested in incorporating the "SRHS" or dealing with officers, etc. It was primarily operated to produce the magazine, largely from Ben's and Oscar's collections.

A group of Southern fans that wanted a more structured organization, created the Southern Railway Historical Association (SRHA) at Spencer Shops. Bill Schafer is the organization's historian and can fill us in on the early details. The two organizations continued for a number of years with many people maintaining memberships in both.

After the magazine had been out of production for a number of years, SRHS was dissolved and combined with SRHA. (SRHA owns both names but is concerned using "SRHS" would be confusing.) As several SRHA members were good friends with Oscar and Ben, we suggested that their collections of Southern Railway material and photos could be acquired and made permanent parts of the SRHA archives. Ben's came to SRHA first, followed by Oscar's several years later. They both passed away knowing SRHA would maintain and utilize their collections as long as possible. Oscar visited the archives at Kennesaw and we believe both men were pleased with their decisions.

I spent more time with Oscar in person and on the phone the years before he passed away. His knowledge of the Southern Railway was encyclopedic and our shared interest in railroad photography and freight cars made for many interesting conversations. Both Ben and Oscar were "charter members" of the early (few) Southeastern rail photographers. Their collections, extensive trading with virtually every well known rail photographer along with other collections and the extensive materials donated to SRHA by Norfolk Southern most certainly make the SRHA archives, now at TVRM, the most extensive collection of Southern Railway and Southeastern railroad photos and documentation .

Our collective goal is to maintain the collection for people interested in the Southern....basically, to "Keep the Green Light Shining".

Ike: for Carl, Bill, the SRHA BOD and all our members


locked Three days a week beyond Atlanta to New Orleans

Steve Ellis
 

One of my most poignant memories from my childhood was, right after high school, I took a trip from where I grew up in New Brunswick Canada to Atlanta. I had dreamed about going to Georgia for years, and this was finally my chance.


I rode the Southern Railway from Washington to Atlanta on October 9 to October 10, 1970. I know for sure that, on that day, the train did not terminate in Atlanta.


At that time, I did not know the country nearly as well as I do now, but I was very excited to be going to the south on the train. I was looking at everybody’s hat check, and I saw some abbreviations that I initially did not understand. I had just assumed the train terminated in Atlanta.


Finally I figured out the train went to Birmingham and New Orleans. I can’t remember exactly the abbreviations, but New Orleans may have been simply NO instead of the current N0L. 


The train arrived on time in Atlanta which was I think at 8:55 AM.


I have a schedule from the Southern Railway System dated November 20, 1970. 
The schedule states that the train only continued beyond Atlanta on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays. This must have started sometime between October 10 and November 20 of this year, 1970. (?)


Steve Ellis,
Brooklyn, New York



On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

George,

Yes I did meet Ben Roberts at his home. He was a very nice man, and he had an impressive collection from the Southern Railroad.


Steve



On Sep 9, 2020, at 8:28 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Steve:

Ben Roberts and Oscar Kimsey were the "heart and soul" of the Southern Railway Historical Society. Both were prolific photographers and more or less produced "Southern Rails" by themselves. They were not really interested in incorporating the "SRHS" or dealing with officers, etc. It was primarily operated to produce the magazine, largely from Ben's and Oscar's collections.

A group of Southern fans that wanted a more structured organization, created the Southern Railway Historical Association (SRHA) at Spencer Shops. Bill Schafer is the organization's historian and can fill us in on the early details. The two organizations continued for a number of years with many people maintaining memberships in both.

After the magazine had been out of production for a number of years, SRHS was dissolved and combined with SRHA. (SRHA owns both names but is concerned using "SRHS" would be confusing.) As several SRHA members were good friends with Oscar and Ben, we suggested that their collections of Southern Railway material and photos could be acquired and made permanent parts of the SRHA archives. Ben's came to SRHA first, followed by Oscar's several years later. They both passed away knowing SRHA would maintain and utilize their collections as long as possible. Oscar visited the archives at Kennesaw and we believe both men were pleased with their decisions.

I spent more time with Oscar in person and on the phone the years before he passed away. His knowledge of the Southern Railway was encyclopedic and our shared interest in railroad photography and freight cars made for many interesting conversations. Both Ben and Oscar were "charter members" of the early (few) Southeastern rail photographers. Their collections, extensive trading with virtually every well known rail photographer along with other collections and the extensive materials donated to SRHA by Norfolk Southern most certainly make the SRHA archives, now at TVRM, the most extensive collection of Southern Railway and Southeastern railroad photos and documentation .

Our collective goal is to maintain the collection for people interested in the Southern....basically, to "Keep the Green Light Shining".

Ike: for Carl, Bill, the SRHA BOD and all our members


locked Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables

Robert Hanson
 

Mitchell Street.

Forsyth Street runs parallel to the railroad.

Mitchell crosses it on the Mitchell Street Viaduct.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2020 11:59 am
Subject: Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables

Close enough!

Jack

On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 11:57:35 AM EDT, John Stewart <jstew@...> wrote:





Hi again folks

On retrospect, I don't think it was the Mitchell Street viaduct...  Maybe Forsyth St.

Only been 46 years...

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL







locked Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables

C J Wyatt
 

Close enough!

Jack

On Saturday, October 10, 2020, 11:57:35 AM EDT, John Stewart <jstew@bhamrails.info> wrote:





Hi again folks

On retrospect, I don't think it was the Mitchell Street viaduct...  Maybe Forsyth St.

Only been 46 years...

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL


locked Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables

John Stewart
 

Hi again folks

On retrospect, I don't think it was the Mitchell Street viaduct...  Maybe Forsyth St.

Only been 46 years...

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL


locked Re: Atlanta Terminal, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Turntables

John Stewart
 

Hi folks

Wonderful map!

My first engineering assignment in 1974 was to look at an over height boxcar wedged under Mitchell st viaduct, am evaluate damage to the old bridge.

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL 

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