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locked Re: Single or Double Track

Jason Greene
 

I have often found it odd that the AGS coming north into Birmingham warranted double track, the CNO&TP north of Chattanooga was double track, and the Main from Atlanta to Washington was double track, but the AGS from Chatty to Bham and the GP from Atl to Bham were both single track. What happened to all the traffic between Birmingham and the other two cities? I know the GP was twisted and hilly but they could have made it double track if it was warranted. The AGS was relatively flat and straight.

Jason Greene

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 9:46 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Allen:

The SR was quite proud of it s double track, so much so the maps in the PTTs show it…

Here’s two from the 1954 PTT.

Ike



On Nov 4, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

I realize that this is a VERY general question.

In 1955 would the Southern main lines be predominantly single or double track?

Washington to Atlanta?

Bristol to Chattanooga?

Others?

Thanks,

Allen Cain


locked Re: Single or Double Track

George Eichelberger
 

Allen:

The SR was quite proud of it s double track, so much so the maps in the PTTs show it…

Here’s two from the 1954 PTT.

Ike



On Nov 4, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

I realize that this is a VERY general question.

In 1955 would the Southern main lines be predominantly single or double track?

Washington to Atlanta?

Bristol to Chattanooga?

Others?

Thanks,

Allen Cain


locked Re: Single or Double Track

Sam Smith
 

Allen,
I don't know if it is a "main line", but the old G.S.&F. Line through south Georgia is single......but does have passing sidings south of Sycamore and on north side of Valdosta.


On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 8:31 AM, Allen Cain
<Allencaintn@...> wrote:
I realize that this is a VERY general question.

In 1955 would the Southern main lines be predominantly single or double track?

Washington to Atlanta?

Bristol to Chattanooga?

Others?

Thanks,

Allen Cain


locked Single or Double Track

Allen Cain
 

I realize that this is a VERY general question.

In 1955 would the Southern main lines be predominantly single or double track?

Washington to Atlanta?

Bristol to Chattanooga?

Others?

Thanks,

Allen Cain


locked Power On Trains 71 and 72 1976 and 1974

Tom Holley
 

Hello, list.

Sometime ago I made a list of some of the engines my father handled on trains 71 and 72 between Columbus, GA and Montgomery, AL on the old Central of Georgia in 1974 and 1976. The lists are old, and not visually attractive, but they show typical Southern power on a secondary mainline in the mid 1970s.

If there's any interest, email me at th498@... and I'll send them to you. Or, if there's enough interest, I'll post them here. They are jpg files.

Regards,

Tom Holley


locked Re: CNO&TP Insurance Policy

John Stewart
 

Hi Ike and all,

 

This is pretty amazing.

 

The UK online archive has a “Nollau” photo collection which contains a lot of AGS material.  He was an engineering professor and apparently did work for the AGS.  The archive includes (online) most every building/tank/structure from Meridian to Cinnci in (if memory serves) around WWI

 

Some of the descriptions by archivists are a hoot – not railroad folks

 

https://exploreuk.uky.edu/fa/findingaid/?id=xt7n8p5v9x1t#fa-heading-ref417

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 11:45 AM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] CNO&TP Insurance Policy

 

The Southern Railway Presidents’ Files in the SRHA Archives go from “interesting and useful” to simply “unusual”. Box 15 File 215 contains an insurance policy for the CNO&TP and AGS dated January 18, 1893 issued by the New York office of the Royal Insurance Co. of Liverpool England. The policy includes “schedules” listing the structures and rolling stock from Cincinnati to Chattanooga ($1,940, 350) and the AGS from Chattanooga to Attala, AL.

 

The fifteen plus pages are all hand written…..

 

Ike

 

 


locked CNO&TP Insurance Policy

George Eichelberger
 

The Southern Railway Presidents’ Files in the SRHA Archives go from “interesting and useful” to simply “unusual”. Box 15 File 215 contains an insurance policy for the CNO&TP and AGS dated January 18, 1893 issued by the New York office of the Royal Insurance Co. of Liverpool England. The policy includes “schedules” listing the structures and rolling stock from Cincinnati to Chattanooga ($1,940, 350) and the AGS from Chattanooga to Attala, AL.

The fifteen plus pages are all hand written…..

Ike



locked Re: Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

George Eichelberger
 

Here are two parts from Budd drawing T42-02961 that provide dimensions and placement for the under floor equipment on Southern coach lounges Nos 950 to 955. We are just starting to get the SRHA archives passenger car drawings organized and have not run everything through the large color scanner. "Large" is correct for the Budd drawings, many are six feet wide and three + feet high. Most are blue prints (70+ years old) so they take quite a bit of work to clean up before copies can be provided.

The Specifications, drawing lists and the drawings for the Southern's lightweight passenger cars are in the archives. The ACF and some of the P-S drawings are on microfilm so they are easy to scan and use. We do not have any Budd drawings on microfilm so scanning the print versions is important to get done.

Ike

PS Remember, rolling stock drawings are always "top down" views!


locked Re: Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

Kevin Centers
 

Rahl,

It’s definitely a long way from a finished product, but is also in very good hands. 

Kevin



On Nov 1, 2020, at 4:43 PM, SouRwyFan via groups.io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote:

Kevin,

That sure is exciting news that means they got three SR LW coaches saved up there.
I was worried that one was going to be lost, last time I saw it it had no windows and looked terrible!

BR, Rahl


locked Re: Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

SouRwyFan
 

Kevin,

That sure is exciting news that means they got three SR LW coaches saved up there.
I was worried that one was going to be lost, last time I saw it it had no windows and looked terrible!

BR, Rahl


locked Re: Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

Kevin Centers
 

Rahl,

Positive on the car number. It was purchased and moved out of Florida a year or so ago. Glad the pictures help. 

Kevin



On Nov 1, 2020, at 4:07 PM, SouRwyFan via groups.io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote:

Kevin,

Are you sure about that car number?
Because unless they have acquired 817 from GA/FL area recently then the only two SR LW coaches based out of there are 819 and 829 (Restored and currently at and leased to TVRM)

Thanks so much for sharing these detailed pics, this was on my to do list soon but you doing this is such a great help.
I believe this is one if not the only of the SR LW coaches still with it's original underbody equipment configuration.

Best Regards, Rahl


locked Re: Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

SouRwyFan
 

Kevin,

Are you sure about that car number?
Because unless they have acquired 817 from GA/FL area recently then the only two SR LW coaches based out of there are 819 and 829 (Restored and currently at and leased to TVRM)

Thanks so much for sharing these detailed pics, this was on my to do list soon but you doing this is such a great help.
I believe this is one if not the only of the SR LW coaches still with it's original underbody equipment configuration.

Best Regards, Rahl


locked Re: Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

O Fenton Wells
 

Good shots Kevin, thanks for sharing.  I had not seen the units on the streamline cars so this is interesting.
Thanks
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 1:58 PM Kevin Centers <klcenters@...> wrote:

I was able to take a little time yesterday to photograph the steam A/C details under former Southern Railway coach 817. This car is now in private ownership and is undergoing restoration in Oak Ridge, TN.  I have attempted to identify the components based on the Safety Car diagram that George Eichleberger posted from the SRHA archives. I’m no expert on steam A/C, but I believe most of my assumptions are reasonable. If anyone has any corrections, please feel free to make them. 

I’m using the mechanical standard that when you stand in the gauge facing the car on the B end (vestibule end in this case)the left is on your left and the right is on your right to refer to locations of items. Descriptions are below pictures. 





This photo has been cropped and blacked out to show The overall layout of the underbody details to be covered. In this picture, the descriptions will move from right to left. 


As you walk along the left side of the car, the first item you come to is this box. I expect it originally had a cover. Who knows when it was removed. Inside the box, moving from right to left, I believe the cylinder shaped object is the flash tank. The item to the left appears to be a pressure reducing valve. And outside and to the left of the box is what I believe to be the motor operated valve. 



The next item on the left side is a very large box. This box is missing the cover which seals roughly 1/3 of the front. Based on the top photo this may have been a screen cover. Moving right to left, the steam line comes in at the top of the box and enters the steam ejector and evaporator. It can be seen wrapped in foam insulation. The motor mounted on the bottom of the box turns a pulley to run the condenser fan which is on the left. 




The next part of the box (roughly 2/3 of the total length) still has a cover. I didn’t take it off, but I’m pretty certain it contains the refrigerating unit and condenser.  Air blows from the condenser fan on the right and is ducted through here into our next box below. 



This box appears to be complete and is the last of the items easily visible on the left side. This is the exhaust for the condenser fan. You can see it is connected to but not part of the large box partially visible to the right. 


This photo is looking underneath this large box. At the back of it under the refrigerating unit and condenser is a sump tank. It’s shown on the diagram but not labeled. 

Now we’ll take a stroll down the right side of the car. It should be noted that all of the equipment is on the left side of the center will, but items behind the large boxes are visible from the right side. 



There are two pumps in this system. The condenser water spray pump is shown on the right. It’s located behind the big box and is connected to the sump on the condenser. Partially visible on the left is the cold water pump. 





This is the cold water pump. The two pumps appear to be identical although they are mounted differently. This one has the motor mounted to the right and the condenser water spray pump is mounted with the motor on the left. Just to the left is a rusty item that appears to be the float valve along with its paraphernalia. 




Funny crop, but this shows the Items visible on the backside of the boxes. Right to left we see the end of the water tank shroud. Next two steam traps or regulators or whatever you want to call them are seen pointing straight down. The end of the sump is visible with a drain plug. On the back of the sump is the condenser spray pump, then the cold water pump. Visible just beyond them are two more steam traps. 



One of the steam traps. This type was very common in lightweight equipment. Superfluous details were marked out for clarity. 

So there it is. The visible steam A/C parts on a Southern Budd coach.  I think the important thing to note here is that the schematic shows how the system worked and how items were arranged in relationship as to how the steam, water, and air flowed. However I think we see here that items were assembled in order to fit the area given and the schematic is for reference not physical location info.  I’ll also point out that the layout could differ not only between types (coach vs dining car vs coach/lounge) but also between cars of the same type.  Always check photos of a particular car to ensure correct placement. 

The SRHA archives is full of information about Southern’s passenger equipment along with diagrams and photos. I would encourage everyone to at least make a small donation to the organization to help preserve this info for future generations. 

Kevin









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locked Steam ejector A/C on WRRX 817 (ex SOU 817)

Kevin Centers
 


I was able to take a little time yesterday to photograph the steam A/C details under former Southern Railway coach 817. This car is now in private ownership and is undergoing restoration in Oak Ridge, TN.  I have attempted to identify the components based on the Safety Car diagram that George Eichleberger posted from the SRHA archives. I’m no expert on steam A/C, but I believe most of my assumptions are reasonable. If anyone has any corrections, please feel free to make them. 

I’m using the mechanical standard that when you stand in the gauge facing the car on the B end (vestibule end in this case)the left is on your left and the right is on your right to refer to locations of items. Descriptions are below pictures. 





This photo has been cropped and blacked out to show The overall layout of the underbody details to be covered. In this picture, the descriptions will move from right to left. 


As you walk along the left side of the car, the first item you come to is this box. I expect it originally had a cover. Who knows when it was removed. Inside the box, moving from right to left, I believe the cylinder shaped object is the flash tank. The item to the left appears to be a pressure reducing valve. And outside and to the left of the box is what I believe to be the motor operated valve. 



The next item on the left side is a very large box. This box is missing the cover which seals roughly 1/3 of the front. Based on the top photo this may have been a screen cover. Moving right to left, the steam line comes in at the top of the box and enters the steam ejector and evaporator. It can be seen wrapped in foam insulation. The motor mounted on the bottom of the box turns a pulley to run the condenser fan which is on the left. 




The next part of the box (roughly 2/3 of the total length) still has a cover. I didn’t take it off, but I’m pretty certain it contains the refrigerating unit and condenser.  Air blows from the condenser fan on the right and is ducted through here into our next box below. 



This box appears to be complete and is the last of the items easily visible on the left side. This is the exhaust for the condenser fan. You can see it is connected to but not part of the large box partially visible to the right. 


This photo is looking underneath this large box. At the back of it under the refrigerating unit and condenser is a sump tank. It’s shown on the diagram but not labeled. 

Now we’ll take a stroll down the right side of the car. It should be noted that all of the equipment is on the left side of the center will, but items behind the large boxes are visible from the right side. 



There are two pumps in this system. The condenser water spray pump is shown on the right. It’s located behind the big box and is connected to the sump on the condenser. Partially visible on the left is the cold water pump. 





This is the cold water pump. The two pumps appear to be identical although they are mounted differently. This one has the motor mounted to the right and the condenser water spray pump is mounted with the motor on the left. Just to the left is a rusty item that appears to be the float valve along with its paraphernalia. 




Funny crop, but this shows the Items visible on the backside of the boxes. Right to left we see the end of the water tank shroud. Next two steam traps or regulators or whatever you want to call them are seen pointing straight down. The end of the sump is visible with a drain plug. On the back of the sump is the condenser spray pump, then the cold water pump. Visible just beyond them are two more steam traps. 



One of the steam traps. This type was very common in lightweight equipment. Superfluous details were marked out for clarity. 

So there it is. The visible steam A/C parts on a Southern Budd coach.  I think the important thing to note here is that the schematic shows how the system worked and how items were arranged in relationship as to how the steam, water, and air flowed. However I think we see here that items were assembled in order to fit the area given and the schematic is for reference not physical location info.  I’ll also point out that the layout could differ not only between types (coach vs dining car vs coach/lounge) but also between cars of the same type.  Always check photos of a particular car to ensure correct placement. 

The SRHA archives is full of information about Southern’s passenger equipment along with diagrams and photos. I would encourage everyone to at least make a small donation to the organization to help preserve this info for future generations. 

Kevin








locked Re: Southern passenger in sleepers out of Washington, DC week ending Jan 7, 1915

John Stewart
 

Hi Ike and all,

 

Seems like cheap travel till you realize that (according to Lending Tree) $23 in 1915 is worth $593 today!

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2020 4:04 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern passenger in sleepers out of Washington, DC week ending Jan 7, 1915

 

Recent trips to the archives have turned up a remarkable amount of Pullman, express and passenger train information in the Presidents' files. Business was down in 1915 so the railroad was looking for whatever they could do to save money by cutting off cars. Many versions of this form are in several Presidents' files boxes.

Is anyone aware of a list of Pullman line numbers that operated on the Southern? The files refer to them for both "sleeper" ("Pullman" is hardly ever seen in the files) and parlor cars.

Ike


locked Southern passenger in sleepers out of Washington, DC week ending Jan 7, 1915

George Eichelberger
 

Recent trips to the archives have turned up a remarkable amount of Pullman, express and passenger train information in the Presidents' files. Business was down in 1915 so the railroad was looking for whatever they could do to save money by cutting off cars. Many versions of this form are in several Presidents' files boxes.

Is anyone aware of a list of Pullman line numbers that operated on the Southern? The files refer to them for both "sleeper" ("Pullman" is hardly ever seen in the files) and parlor cars.

Ike


locked today, October 25th is the 79th anniversary

Cohen Bob
 

On this date, October 25, 1941, Southern officially suspended passenger service on the Harrisonburg Branch. When train 11 arrived in Manassas, Virginia late that afternoon, the cars were requisitioned for use elsewhere where they could be put to greater use and for the next 5.5 years there was no passenger service on the line. The 20-mile away east of it, N&W Shenandoah Valley line didn't end passenger service until the early 1960's.

One week later, the B&O's Valley RR between Lexington, Va. and Harrisonburg likewise ended passenger service but theirs wasn't a suspension; it was an end of passenger service entirely. Besides, there had only been $270 received in ticket sales for those 62 miles for the entire 10 months of the year ......... and that is NO misprint.

and that's the way it was, .........................

Bob Cohen


locked Need stenciling diagram

Jim King
 

NS donated 584907 to the Craggy Mountain Line last year.  The interior remodeling into offices is about 50% complete and the car has been painted on both ends and the visible side.  We need a stenciling diagram for this series.  Any help out there?

 

Here’s a pic of a sister car:  http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou584919adl.jpg

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


locked Re: Margin Notes!

SouRwyFan
 

In the middle of all that I saw a reference to 4061 the car that became the long time Steam program commissary car for most of Southern's excursions until the dismal swamp wreck ended it's service life, crunch!

BR, Rahl


locked Re: Margin Notes!

John Stewart
 

Interesting!

They'd had fun with email

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL 


On Oct 21, 2020, at 9:59 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Organizing the SRHA Southern Presidents' files is a bit more complex because so many memos and letters include comments or responses written on the original or copy. In pre Xerox days, the original would be passed around and might make its way back to the sender with multiple margin notes. (DWB could fill up every square inch on a memo with margin notes.)

Here is an example from June 26, 1970 discussing what to do with baggage cars after the PO stopped RPO service between Charlotte and Washington. (The cars appear to all be baggage (mail storage) rather than RPOs.

Ike
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