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locked Re: Albany and Northern

Sam Smith
 

I don't know about the Cordele end, but there was a farm fertilizer distributor on the Albany end. It was just on the north side of the liberty express way. I think it closed up in the early 1980's and is completely gone now.

I don't know if there was any thing north of that.

Samuel Smith


On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Lee Bishop
<leebishop1944@...> wrote:
The Jim Boyd book, "Around Georgia 1968-1970" by Morning Sun books has some stuff about that line as well in it, if memory serves.


locked Re: Albany and Northern

Lee Bishop
 

The Jim Boyd book, "Around Georgia 1968-1970" by Morning Sun books has some stuff about that line as well in it, if memory serves.


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locked Chip Car

Tom Holley
 

Hello,list,

I grew up in Columbus, GA, and have seen many Southern chip hoppers. I haven't seen one of these, though. Any information on them would be appreciated. I know the cars show up in videos of the Graham County shortline, and some were used on the old Georgia and Florida. Where were they loaded to?

Regards,

Tom Holley


locked Re: Albany and Northern

Tom Holley
 

Thanks to Charlie and Dave. I do have the Trains article...I forgot I had it!

Regards,

Tom Holley


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Charles Powell
 

Tom,
There was an excellent article in the April 1969 edition of Trains Magazine by Jim Boyd on the Pidcock lines. It was done shortly after the Southern took over.
Charlie Powell 


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A&Y Dave in MD
 

I do not, but I recall reading about them somewhere, maybe a Southern Rails or Ties article?  I’ll see if I can find it somewhere.  Might have been one of my y’all road photo history books though. I couldn’t  replace all those after the fire. 

Dave

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On Nov 28, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Tom Holley via groups.io <th498@...> wrote:

Hello, list.

Is anyone here familiar with operations on the old Pidcock Lines Albany and Northern line (Cordele to Warwick, GA) after the Southern takeover?

Regards,

Tom Holley


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Tom Holley
 

Hello, list.

Is anyone here familiar with operations on the old Pidcock Lines Albany and Northern line (Cordele to Warwick, GA) after the Southern takeover?

Regards,

Tom Holley


locked Re: Southern passenger cars on Winston-Salem division mixed trains

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

Dave

Do you have the diagram book available? I have a pdf if you need it 

1520 and 1523 sit in a series of 69 foot steel cars which were originally built with arched toilet windows. When new they looked generally similar to the old  Rivarossi H0 heavyweight coach model but with an extra window on each side, accounting for the extra three feet in length.  Both were partitioned cars .

71 came from the series from 68-74 and was a 60 foot steel mail and baggage car and had a 15 foot  RPO apartment  - just the one window on each side.  

373 was originally a 60' wooden car with truss rods but was fitted with steel underframe, electric lighting and steel sheeting below the belt rail in 1923 

Hope this helps

Aidrian
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On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 4:22 AM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:
I was doing some data analysis on Conductor Snow's log books from 1934 today and noticed that there were three passenger car "types" routinely on mixed trains 13/14 on the North Wilkesboro branch.  Conductor Snow identified them as a mail (Southern 71),  express (Southern 373) and one of two coaches (either 1520 or 1523).   These were listed as the last cars on the train (there was a caboose listed as 1st in order in his books, but that may be because it was assigned to the train first and may not reflect position in the train).

Anyone have any info/photos about these mail, express, and coach cars?

I'm hoping to use these to write up a story on the Winston-Salem division mixed trains with a little background on the North Wilkesboro line for a TIES article.  These mixed trains were usually about 29 cars pulled by consolidations (either Ks 812 or Ks 654 for most).  On the way to N. Wilkesboro they had mostly (60% boxcars with merchandise, feed, lumber, sugar,  flour, fertilizer, and hides) , and usually with a gondola of coal and a tank of gasoline. Occasionally they would see a reefer of meat from Schluderburg-Kurdle out of Baltimore (often marketed as Esskay meats).  On the way back, the boxcars were more often empties, but those with loads carried furniture and merchandise, often waybilled to Spencer or Potomac yard.  There seemed to be a regular set of 36' SU box cars that were LCL merchandise regulars.  On these trains about 70% of the boxcars were home road Southern with N&W (10%) and ACL (5%).  The tank cars with gasoline were mostly UTLX and Texaco (TCX), although there were a fair number of INSX (International Shoe via GATX) waybilled to North Wilkesboro empty (for leather dye loading?).

But I don't know much about the passenger equipment from 1934.  So any help would be appreciated.

Dave Bott


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Bill Schafer
 

Outstanding info, Dave, this will make a great TIES article. Thanks for analyzing Conductor Snow’s log books - wealth of information there. As a kid raised on Esskay products, I was interested to see their market reached as far from Baltimore as North Wilkesboro, N.C.

--Bill Schafer

On Nov 22, 2020, at 23:21, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

I was doing some data analysis on Conductor Snow's log books from 1934 today and noticed that there were three passenger car "types" routinely on mixed trains 13/14 on the North Wilkesboro branch.  Conductor Snow identified them as a mail (Southern 71),  express (Southern 373) and one of two coaches (either 1520 or 1523).   These were listed as the last cars on the train (there was a caboose listed as 1st in order in his books, but that may be because it was assigned to the train first and may not reflect position in the train).

Anyone have any info/photos about these mail, express, and coach cars?

I'm hoping to use these to write up a story on the Winston-Salem division mixed trains with a little background on the North Wilkesboro line for a TIES article.  These mixed trains were usually about 29 cars pulled by consolidations (either Ks 812 or Ks 654 for most).  On the way to N. Wilkesboro they had mostly (60% boxcars with merchandise, feed, lumber, sugar,  flour, fertilizer, and hides) , and usually with a gondola of coal and a tank of gasoline. Occasionally they would see a reefer of meat from Schluderburg-Kurdle out of Baltimore (often marketed as Esskay meats).  On the way back, the boxcars were more often empties, but those with loads carried furniture and merchandise, often waybilled to Spencer or Potomac yard.  There seemed to be a regular set of 36' SU box cars that were LCL merchandise regulars.  On these trains about 70% of the boxcars were home road Southern with N&W (10%) and ACL (5%).  The tank cars with gasoline were mostly UTLX and Texaco (TCX), although there were a fair number of INSX (International Shoe via GATX) waybilled to North Wilkesboro empty (for leather dye loading?).

But I don't know much about the passenger equipment from 1934.  So any help would be appreciated.

Dave Bott


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locked Re: Via Sleeping Car NYC to San Francisco via Atlanta-Montgomery-New Orleans!

Robert Hanson
 

"Objectionable class" of traveler?

Only on the Crescent.

Bob Hanson


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From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: PassengerCarList@groups.io; main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2020 10:18 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Via Sleeping Car NYC to San Francisco via Atlanta-Montgomery-New Orleans!

My apologies for using the space and bandwidth but this attached letter from the WofA/A&WP provides probably the best explanation of why the they did not want the SF-Washington tourist sleeper included in the consist of train number 38 (Later known as “The Crescent Limited”). Connection times in New Orleans were not (!) the reason…”inferior class of travel” was!

Ike


locked Re: Via Sleeping Car NYC to San Francisco via Atlanta-Montgomery-New Orleans!

John Stewart
 

Hi folks

Now I'm curious...

What is a "tourist sleeper"?

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL


locked Re: Via Sleeping Car NYC to San Francisco via Atlanta-Montgomery-New Orleans!

George Eichelberger
 

My apologies for using the space and bandwidth but this attached letter from the WofA/A&WP provides probably the best explanation of why the they did not want the SF-Washington tourist sleeper included in the consist of train number 38 (Later known as “The Crescent Limited”). Connection times in New Orleans were not (!) the reason…”inferior class of travel” was!

Ike


locked Re: Southern passenger cars on Winston-Salem division mixed trains

A&Y Dave in MD
 

James,

I looked there, but saw none of the passenger cars with those numbers, even though they were heavyweights.  There are fascinating photos on the site, including a wonderful yard image.  But nothing on these cars.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were older wooden cars.

Best,

Dave

Sunday, November 22, 2020, 11:29:09 PM, you wrote:


Dave,

I will refer you to this site which I think we have discussed before.  This the Forsyth County, NC public library photo site.

https://www.digitalforsyth.org

I generally search trains or railroad.  You will get photos of Southern, Norfolk Western and Norfolk Southern.
A Rural Hall or North Wilkesboro search might narrow it down.  I do know there are photos of the Southern’s last
passenger train to North Wilkesboro.

James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




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locked Re: Southern passenger cars on Winston-Salem division mixed trains

James
 

Dave,

I will refer you to this site which I think we have discussed before.  This the Forsyth County, NC public library photo site.


I generally search trains or railroad.  You will get photos of Southern, Norfolk Western and Norfolk Southern.
A Rural Hall or North Wilkesboro search might narrow it down.  I do know there are photos of the Southern’s last
passenger train to North Wilkesboro.

James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Southern passenger cars on Winston-Salem division mixed trains

A&Y Dave in MD
 

I was doing some data analysis on Conductor Snow's log books from 1934 today and noticed that there were three passenger car "types" routinely on mixed trains 13/14 on the North Wilkesboro branch.  Conductor Snow identified them as a mail (Southern 71),  express (Southern 373) and one of two coaches (either 1520 or 1523).   These were listed as the last cars on the train (there was a caboose listed as 1st in order in his books, but that may be because it was assigned to the train first and may not reflect position in the train).

Anyone have any info/photos about these mail, express, and coach cars?

I'm hoping to use these to write up a story on the Winston-Salem division mixed trains with a little background on the North Wilkesboro line for a TIES article.  These mixed trains were usually about 29 cars pulled by consolidations (either Ks 812 or Ks 654 for most).  On the way to N. Wilkesboro they had mostly (60% boxcars with merchandise, feed, lumber, sugar,  flour, fertilizer, and hides) , and usually with a gondola of coal and a tank of gasoline. Occasionally they would see a reefer of meat from Schluderburg-Kurdle out of Baltimore (often marketed as Esskay meats).  On the way back, the boxcars were more often empties, but those with loads carried furniture and merchandise, often waybilled to Spencer or Potomac yard.  There seemed to be a regular set of 36' SU box cars that were LCL merchandise regulars.  On these trains about 70% of the boxcars were home road Southern with N&W (10%) and ACL (5%).  The tank cars with gasoline were mostly UTLX and Texaco (TCX), although there were a fair number of INSX (International Shoe via GATX) waybilled to North Wilkesboro empty (for leather dye loading?).

But I don't know much about the passenger equipment from 1934.  So any help would be appreciated.

Dave Bott


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locked Re: G A Jones

Dave Roberts <daveroberts10@...>
 

Thanks for the reply. Have a few records on some time card books and a Southern family pass but
that seems to be all that remains of my grandfather’s Southern History.

On Nov 22, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@comcast.net> wrote:

SRHA doesn't have any personnel records. Those records, personnel and operational, were all held at the division level and are long gone.
CEA
On 11/22/2020 10:46 AM Dave Roberts <daveroberts10@charter.net> wrote:


Looking for any information related to G A (George Arthur) Jones - Asheville Division - Freight Agent - Office in Flat Iron Building downtown Asheville - Long time Southern employee retired in the 1960s. Thanks.






locked Re: G A Jones

Carl Ardrey
 

SRHA doesn't have any personnel records. Those records, personnel and operational, were all held at the division level and are long gone.
CEA

On 11/22/2020 10:46 AM Dave Roberts <daveroberts10@charter.net> wrote:


Looking for any information related to G A (George Arthur) Jones - Asheville Division - Freight Agent - Office in Flat Iron Building downtown Asheville - Long time Southern employee retired in the 1960s. Thanks.



locked G A Jones

daveroberts10@...
 

Looking for any information related to G A (George Arthur) Jones - Asheville Division - Freight Agent - Office in Flat Iron Building downtown Asheville - Long time Southern employee retired in the 1960s. Thanks.


locked Southern Railway 1982 Freight Car diagrams

Scott Reinert <srlinesrr@...>
 

I am looking for the 1982 Southern Railway Frieght Car Diagrams. There used to be a site online that had it as a free pdf, as well as other equipment documents, timetables, a bunch of Bob Harpe? Clinics on model SOU Diesels. If anyone has this document or anything like it that they would share, I would be greatly appreciative. We here at Oso Machining's Rail division are looking into making such cars as the Silversides, Magor Covered Hoppers 2, 3, and 4-bay varieties, the 60' 100ton PS box cars, among others.

Scott Reinert
srlinesrr@...
Oso Machining Rail Division

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