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locked Re: SR Trackage Rights on N&W

Robert W. Grabarek, Jr.
 

Dear Ike,

Great research and interesting correspondence.  I never saw either study, but I first heard about the trackage rights proposal in 1973.  Looks like Mr. Claytor had a bee in his bonnet about this proposal.  I see that Bob Reid wrote the 1976 reply for Mr. Tipton.  Mr. Claytor said no coal would be transported over this route, but I wonder what was in the cars to be picked up at Bulls Gap.  I never worked between Alexandria and Spencer so I'm not familiar with the customers on that route.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Feb 1, 2021 8:34 AM
To: "main@southernrailway.groups.io"
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] SR Trackage Rights on N&W

Bob:

You may be familiar with the study that produced the attached 5-18-76 letter from J.R. Tipton to H.H. Bradley that describes traffic blocks that could be implemented with a new operating plan that included the Bristol-Lynchburg trackage.

Ike



On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:35 PM, Bob Grabarek wrote:

Dear Ike,

This 1976 letter was of interest to me.  When I worked in Transportation Planning in 1973 I was told that the group had looked at gaining trackage rights from Bristol to Lynchburg and had concluded that they would be of little value.  I wonder what changed.

Bob Grabarek


locked Re: Birmingham AL

John Stewart
 

HI Charles and all

 

You are very welcome.  I think the brochure was given to me by Jason Parham who is the GM&O guru in these parts.

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Harris
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 3:49 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Birmingham AL

 

Hi John

Thanks for this great info and maps.   Some great photos in the brochure.

 

Charles

 

 

On 1/02/21 2:30 PM, John Stewart wrote:

HI folks

 

Ingalls Iron Works in Birmingham is gone c.2006.  There is a good video of the empty plant on YouTube by Anderson Williams and friends.

 

https://youtu.be/zFMj-tT4vD0

 

2005 imagery from Google Earth Pro.  It was adjacent to the L&N mainline just SW of downtown Birmingham, and just west of I-65 at University Drive.

 

 

I’ve always understood that the locomotive was built in Pascagoula, MS, but I’m no expert on the subject.

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Harris
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:58 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Birmingham AL

 

Hi
Just for interest sake is the main railroad on attached doc Southern Railway or all possibly L&N ?    Tallking 1940-50s.       I do not have any knowledge of this area.

Note that there was a siding or a transverse thru the Ingalls Iron Works factory in Birmingham AL.  Still there ??

Thanks
Charles


locked Re: Birmingham AL

Charles Harris
 

Hi John

Thanks for this great info and maps.   Some great photos in the brochure.


Charles



On 1/02/21 2:30 PM, John Stewart wrote:

HI folks

 

Ingalls Iron Works in Birmingham is gone c.2006.  There is a good video of the empty plant on YouTube by Anderson Williams and friends.

 

https://youtu.be/zFMj-tT4vD0

 

2005 imagery from Google Earth Pro.  It was adjacent to the L&N mainline just SW of downtown Birmingham, and just west of I-65 at University Drive.

 

 

I’ve always understood that the locomotive was built in Pascagoula, MS, but I’m no expert on the subject.

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

image004

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Harris
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:58 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Birmingham AL

 

Hi
Just for interest sake is the main railroad on attached doc Southern Railway or all possibly L&N ?    Tallking 1940-50s.       I do not have any knowledge of this area.

Note that there was a siding or a transverse thru the Ingalls Iron Works factory in Birmingham AL.  Still there ??

Thanks
Charles


locked Re: Steam Decal Artwork

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

Michael

I have the artwork if you still need it, but since Donnie has been
copied he'll probably sort you out very quickly.

Printing decals to work on black backgrounds normally requires you to
use a special printer that can lay down a perfectly registered opaque
white backing for the coloured inks . Inkjets and laser printers only
use transparent inks and rely on the white paper to show the colours -
if you apply them on a dark surface the decal will simply disappear.
If you know someone who has an old ALPS printer which is still in
working order, that is one way, but they are getting a bit thin on the
ground, being rather old technology and rather fragile to boot. If
you are really into printing your own, there's quite a market in
refurbished ALPS printers in Japan, and a strong enthusiast community
but it's certainly not a hobby for the impecunious.

Companies like HighBall graphics can do custom runs in reasonably
small batches, which would still be a lot cheaper than finding,
recommissioning and learning to use an old ALPS.

HTH
Aidrian

1. Several years ago, someone (Donnie Dixon, I think) offered artwork for SOU steam decals, to be printed for personal use. Are these still available, and where can I find them?
2. Back when I printed them, the black-background, freight, decals "disappeared" when applied to a locomotive/tender. I had to paint white the areas where decals were to go in order for them to show up. I'm wondering if I used the wrong (clear) inkjet decal paper, or if there is a way to only print the numbers, letters, etc, and not the black background??
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Michael Dunnington
St. Louis, MO, area


locked Re: Steam Decal Artwork

Michael Roderick
 

Mike:

 

Donnie has released more stuff including updates on the decals. I have CC him in on this email so you can ask him those questions.

 

 

Mike Roderick

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Young via groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 13:07
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Steam Decal Artwork

 

You could open the image file in a graphics editing app, and use a color selection tool to select the black background area, then delete it, or replace the black pixels with white (which is basically the same thing).  That would remove the black background and leave the letters/numbers.  You may have to experiment with the selection tool's sensitivity setting, to make sure you get a clean edge to the letters/numbers.

Mike Young 

-----Original Message-----
From: michael DUNNINGTON <cvlwrnut@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2021 12:55 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Steam Decal Artwork

Friends:
I have two questions.........

1.  Several years ago, someone (Donnie Dixon, I think) offered artwork for SOU steam decals, to be printed for personal use.  Are these still available, and where can I find them?
2.  Back when I printed them, the black-background, freight, decals "disappeared" when applied to a locomotive/tender.  I had to paint white the areas where decals were to go in order for them to show up.  I'm wondering if I used the wrong (clear) inkjet decal paper, or if there is a way to only print the numbers, letters, etc, and not the black background??

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Michael Dunnington

St. Louis, MO, area


locked Re: Steam Decal Artwork

Michael Young
 

You could open the image file in a graphics editing app, and use a color selection tool to select the black background area, then delete it, or replace the black pixels with white (which is basically the same thing).  That would remove the black background and leave the letters/numbers.  You may have to experiment with the selection tool's sensitivity setting, to make sure you get a clean edge to the letters/numbers.
Mike Young 


-----Original Message-----
From: michael DUNNINGTON <cvlwrnut@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2021 12:55 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Steam Decal Artwork

Friends:
I have two questions.........
1.  Several years ago, someone (Donnie Dixon, I think) offered artwork for SOU steam decals, to be printed for personal use.  Are these still available, and where can I find them?
2.  Back when I printed them, the black-background, freight, decals "disappeared" when applied to a locomotive/tender.  I had to paint white the areas where decals were to go in order for them to show up.  I'm wondering if I used the wrong (clear) inkjet decal paper, or if there is a way to only print the numbers, letters, etc, and not the black background??
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Michael Dunnington
St. Louis, MO, area


locked Steam Decal Artwork

michael DUNNINGTON
 

Friends:
I have two questions.........
1.  Several years ago, someone (Donnie Dixon, I think) offered artwork for SOU steam decals, to be printed for personal use.  Are these still available, and where can I find them?
2.  Back when I printed them, the black-background, freight, decals "disappeared" when applied to a locomotive/tender.  I had to paint white the areas where decals were to go in order for them to show up.  I'm wondering if I used the wrong (clear) inkjet decal paper, or if there is a way to only print the numbers, letters, etc, and not the black background??
Thanks for any help you can offer.
Michael Dunnington
St. Louis, MO, area


locked Re: A pleasant surprise!

Michael Young
 

I did?  I remember posting it in the Southern Ry Collectibles Group on Facebook, but I don't remember sharing it anywhere else.  That's why I was surprised to see it in A.O.  I hope I'm not having a "senior moment" LOL.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Schafer <bill4501@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2021 12:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] A pleasant surprise!

Thank you, Mike, for submitting the material.

—Bill

On Feb 1, 2021, at 12:37, Michael Young via groups.io <michaeljy@...> wrote:

Received the Q4 edition of Ties, and was surprised to find the article re my milepost in the November 12, 2020 issue of Among Ourselves.
Just wanted to post a note of thanks to the editing team for the well-written story.

Mike Young


locked Re: A pleasant surprise!

Bill Schafer
 

Thank you, Mike, for submitting the material.

—Bill

On Feb 1, 2021, at 12:37, Michael Young via groups.io <michaeljy@...> wrote:

Received the Q4 edition of Ties, and was surprised to find the article re my milepost in the November 12, 2020 issue of Among Ourselves.
Just wanted to post a note of thanks to the editing team for the well-written story.

Mike Young


locked A pleasant surprise!

Michael Young
 

Received the Q4 edition of Ties, and was surprised to find the article re my milepost in the November 12, 2020 issue of Among Ourselves.
Just wanted to post a note of thanks to the editing team for the well-written story.

Mike Young


locked SRHA apparel now available

Kevin Centers
 


Happy Monday everyone,

SRHA is happy to announce that we now offer embroidered apparel!  You can order quality hats, shirts, jackets and vests in all sizes for ladies and gentlemen in our online store.  Some of the items can even be personalized with your name.  And filling your closet with fashionable SRHA clothing is now easier than ever.  You simply Click Here and shop all you want.  Or you can visit our web site at www.srha.net and click on the link in the What’s New announcements.  Orders are processed upon receipt and are typically delivered to your home in 10-15 days. 

Due to our partnership with SquadLocker and the fact that we don’t have to inventory these items, we are able to customize our store and offer many and varied items.  So if you have an item in mind that you don’t find in our store, please let me know, and I’ll see if we can offer it.  And part of your purchase goes to support the SRHA.  Not a member?  That’s ok, simply visit our website and sign up.  We offer several levels of membership, including a lifetime option. 

Looking for a personal endorsement?  I placed my order for two shirts and a hat on Jan. 15.  It was delivered on the 28th.  The shirts are made by Russell Athletic and Under Armor.  I chose the Pacific Headwear flexfit cap (even though I seldom wear a hat).  They all fit well and I’m very pleased with the quality of the embroidery.  Below are pictures of the items I ordered.    

So if you want to help out SRHA, and display your membership, please visit our store and get some cool gear.

 

Thanks,

 

Kevin Centers

SRHA Treasurer

 

 

        


locked Re: SR Trackage Rights on N&W

George Eichelberger
 

Bob:

You may be familiar with the study that produced the attached 5-18-76 letter from J.R. Tipton to H.H. Bradley that describes traffic blocks that could be implemented with a new operating plan that included the Bristol-Lynchburg trackage.

Ike



On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:35 PM, Bob Grabarek wrote:

Dear Ike,

This 1976 letter was of interest to me.  When I worked in Transportation Planning in 1973 I was told that the group had looked at gaining trackage rights from Bristol to Lynchburg and had concluded that they would be of little value.  I wonder what changed.

Bob Grabarek


locked Re: Birmingham AL

John Stewart
 

HI folks

 

Ingalls Iron Works in Birmingham is gone c.2006.  There is a good video of the empty plant on YouTube by Anderson Williams and friends.

 

https://youtu.be/zFMj-tT4vD0

 

2005 imagery from Google Earth Pro.  It was adjacent to the L&N mainline just SW of downtown Birmingham, and just west of I-65 at University Drive.

 

 

I’ve always understood that the locomotive was built in Pascagoula, MS, but I’m no expert on the subject.

 

John

 

John R Stewart

www.bhamrails.info

205-901-3790

 

image004

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charles Harris
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:58 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Birmingham AL

 

Hi
Just for interest sake is the main railroad on attached doc Southern Railway or all possibly L&N ?    Tallking 1940-50s.       I do not have any knowledge of this area.

Note that there was a siding or a transverse thru the Ingalls Iron Works factory in Birmingham AL.  Still there ??

Thanks
Charles


locked Birmingham AL

Charles Harris
 

Hi
Just for interest sake is the main railroad on attached doc Southern Railway or all possibly L&N ?    Tallking 1940-50s.       I do not have any knowledge of this area.

Note that there was a siding or a transverse thru the Ingalls Iron Works factory in Birmingham AL.  Still there ??

Thanks
Charles


locked Ingalls 4-S Diesel Locomotive --- Construction

Charles Harris
 

Hi
This time my request is re the build did occur in Decatur of the Ingalls 4-S.   Some construction I believe was carried out in two locations, Decatur AL and Pascagoula MS.

At the Ingalls facilities in Decatur AL, could have been Iron Works or Shipbuilding divisions, a person by name of Mr. James Snow, worked on the project.  And do any Decatur-ians on this group have relatives or knowledge of the Snow family ??

Thanks

Charles Harris


locked Demonstration of Locomotive to Southern Railways

Charles Harris
 

Hi

Asked a similar question a year or two back, but just to refresh ---

Please  view the attached doc and the article in the Atlanta Constitution Newspaper re the Ingalls 4-S demonstration to several railroads.
To date I have not found any of the 'Proceedings of the Southern Southwestern Railway Club for 1946.  Can anyone help?

Also I would expect (if I am lucky) that in the Southern Railway archives there would be a 'report' and/or evaluation of the demonstration at Atlanta at that time. To Ike and everyone involved in logging all the archives info, keep and eye out for me.   I would join you but alas I live far away in New Zealand.

So basically any info that refers to the Ingalls 4-S is of interest.   February here in NZ already.

Thankyou
Charles Harris


locked Southern trackage rights on N&W Bristol to Lynchburg

George Eichelberger
 

Friday's trip to the SRHA archives located several interesting "new" (circa 1976) topics worth scanning, two files include trackage rights projects that were never finalized.

The attached two-page letter from Graham Claytor to John Fishwick, President of the N&W (with a CC to Robert Claytor, also at the N&W) is essentially a re-start of a long running conversation about granting the Southern trackage rights on the N&W between Bristol and Lynchburg, VA. Other correspondence mentions the fact that Mr. Fishwick was "not happy" with previous conversations the Southern had with N&W that he was not aware of. (WGC's brother?)

Ike


locked Re: Pinners Point steamer questions

Barry Kimble
 

Bill,

Thank you for the great reply.
I do remember now that you mention it, the photo in Ties and will look it up.
I also have a few prints by Mr Holtzinger.

Thanks, Barry 

On Jan 30, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

Barry:

Casey Holtzinger, a prolific artist from the Hampton Roads area who passed away in 2009, painted hundreds of historic scenes of life in the area from long ago. Most of his work was in watercolors and adapted from black and white photos. Casey once told me that the hardest part of his work was in getting the color right (because the original images were monochrome). Accordingly, he put some research into each of his paintings by checking contemporary sources or asking old timers of their recollections. 

Casey painted a few rail-related scenes, although his work mostly focused on the maritime. One of his paintings depicted the Southern passenger terminal at Pinner’s Point, Va., where the overnight train from Danville had just arrived behind a green Ps-2 Pacific. The terminal was really a dock, with a track on one side and water on the other and a canopy in between. Opposite the Ps-2 was the steamer Memphis, which doubled as a tugboat and a passenger boat that shuttled passengers, mail, and express across the Elizabeth River to Southern’s downtown Norfolk terminal. Casey depicted the structure and hull of the Memphis in a uniform rust red with a black funnel. I understand tug Louisville and the various barges and lighters in Southern’s fleet were painted the same red. 

If you want to see the photo Casey based his painting on, see p. 14, 2013-2 TIES.

—Bill

On Jan 30, 2021, at 13:04, Barry Kimble <southernry@...> wrote:

Greetings,

Has anyone ever seen any color/painting documentation or drawings for the “Memphis” or “Louisville” tugs that worked Pinners Point ?
Any help is appreciated!

Thanks, Barry







locked Re: Pinners Point steamer questions

Bill Schafer
 

Barry:

Casey Holtzinger, a prolific artist from the Hampton Roads area who passed away in 2009, painted hundreds of historic scenes of life in the area from long ago. Most of his work was in watercolors and adapted from black and white photos. Casey once told me that the hardest part of his work was in getting the color right (because the original images were monochrome). Accordingly, he put some research into each of his paintings by checking contemporary sources or asking old timers of their recollections. 

Casey painted a few rail-related scenes, although his work mostly focused on the maritime. One of his paintings depicted the Southern passenger terminal at Pinner’s Point, Va., where the overnight train from Danville had just arrived behind a green Ps-2 Pacific. The terminal was really a dock, with a track on one side and water on the other and a canopy in between. Opposite the Ps-2 was the steamer Memphis, which doubled as a tugboat and a passenger boat that shuttled passengers, mail, and express across the Elizabeth River to Southern’s downtown Norfolk terminal. Casey depicted the structure and hull of the Memphis in a uniform rust red with a black funnel. I understand tug Louisville and the various barges and lighters in Southern’s fleet were painted the same red. 

If you want to see the photo Casey based his painting on, see p. 14, 2013-2 TIES.

—Bill

On Jan 30, 2021, at 13:04, Barry Kimble <southernry@...> wrote:

Greetings,

Has anyone ever seen any color/painting documentation or drawings for the “Memphis” or “Louisville” tugs that worked Pinners Point ?
Any help is appreciated!

Thanks, Barry







locked Pinners Point steamer questions

Barry Kimble
 

Greetings,

Has anyone ever seen any color/painting documentation or drawings for the “Memphis” or “Louisville” tugs that worked Pinners Point ?
Any help is appreciated!

Thanks, Barry

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