If my memory is correct, when the heater car first showed up in Chattanooga and was loaned to TVRM for supplying steam to the cars that were stored at Terminal Station it was HC-50. At some point  it went to the Chattanooga Diesel shop and renumbered into a 900000 number. 960600 maybe? There was one diesel powered trip to Huntsville that the car was used on in the 70s.
Charlie

On Mar 10, 2021, at 15:18, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

Location of original SOU office buildings in Washington, D.C. was at 1300 Pennsylvania Avenue, a block west of the old Post Office at 1200 Pennsylvania Avenue. Southern added to these buildings over the years; I’ll have to check the dates, but the  original SOU HQ building - an ornate monstrosity - was partially destroyed by fire in 1916. 

When SOU built its new executive office building on K Street, it was not large enough to accommodate everyone at Pennsylvania Avenue, so they added five stories to the 125 Building and two stories to the 99 Building in Atlanta and moved a number of departments there in late 1928. See Southern News Bulletin for November 1928 for the story. 

Attached is an image of the office newest office building, which I think was built in 1916, at night in 1922. 

This is the Federal Triangle area today.

—Bill Schafer

<Washington DC 1300 Penna Ave office bldg at night Jan 3 1922 Leet Bros photo from NS.jpeg>

On Mar 10, 2021, at 14:21, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Tim:

Here is a Google Drive link to SRHA Archives SR Presidents’ Files Box 420 File 9682 Washington, DC office.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zErLY8-91xXw2pDxjXtxso1ErzCNQgn5?usp=sharing

Note that Chattanooga attempted to get the Sou Rwy headquarters.

Ike

PS If anyone would like to help get more files from the SRHA archives scanned……donations to www.srha.net or TVRM are always appreciated.

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:07 PM, TIM ANDREWS <ANDREWSTIM@...> wrote:

Where were the original Southern offices in DC that the government took over?  I assume they might have been in the area now known as Federal Triangle.  From Wikipedia:

Seven of the buildings in Federal Triangle were built by the U.S. federal government in the early and mid-1930s as part of a coordinated construction plan 

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 01:49:47 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

What’s old is new again…Atlanta newspaper clipping from 3-6-1928 in the SRHA archives. (Box 420 File 9682 Washington DC Office Bldgs - 1927)

Ike

<1928-3-6 Atl Constitution  clipping.jpeg>

<1928-3-6 Atl Constitution  clipping.jpeg>

On Mar 10, 2021, at 14:21, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Tim:

Here is a Google Drive link to SRHA Archives SR Presidents’ Files Box 420 File 9682 Washington, DC office.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zErLY8-91xXw2pDxjXtxso1ErzCNQgn5?usp=sharing

Note that Chattanooga attempted to get the Sou Rwy headquarters.

Ike

PS If anyone would like to help get more files from the SRHA archives scanned……donations to www.srha.net or TVRM are always appreciated.

On Mar 10, 2021, at 2:07 PM, TIM ANDREWS <ANDREWSTIM@...> wrote:

Where were the original Southern offices in DC that the government took over?  I assume they might have been in the area now known as Federal Triangle.  From Wikipedia:

Seven of the buildings in Federal Triangle were built by the U.S. federal government in the early and mid-1930s as part of a coordinated construction plan 

On Wednesday, March 10, 2021, 01:49:47 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

What’s old is new again…Atlanta newspaper clipping from 3-6-1928 in the SRHA archives. (Box 420 File 9682 Washington DC Office Bldgs - 1927)

Ike

<1928-3-6 Atl Constitution  clipping.jpeg>

<1928-3-6 Atl Constitution  clipping.jpeg>

On Mar 9, 2021, at 8:34 PM, bjarne@juno.com wrote:

My experiences go back to when I was a service attendant for Amtrak during the summer seasons of 1977, 1979, and 1980. The service attendants usually went to a different hotel than the transportation employees like conductors and engineers. This was probably because the transportation people had their hotels paid by the host railroad. Further, as both groups were represented by different unions, that also could have had an effect on who stayed where. For every rule, there is an exception. I stayed in the same places as the rest of the crew at Dubuque, Quincy, Carbondale, and Champaign. Different locales in LA, New York, New Orleans, Detroit, and St. Louis. Hope this information is helpful, FWIW. Bjarne Henderson, Valparaiso, IN

On Mar 9, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Steve Ellis <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

As I remember it, the attendants’ jackets did seem to look to be styled a little bit like a sports jacket or blazer, but without the lining or construction. They were also shorter, but I remember them having a button front and lapels.

On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:44 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

When office car NS-8 arrived at TVRM, I was looking in the closets and discovered several what I’d call “attendants’ jackets, soiled but in good condition. Someday, I expect they will find a new use in a museum display?

Ike

PS We are still looking for new trucks for Southern OC-21 circa 1956 (when it was converted at Hayne Shop). If anyone know of any that might be available, let me know at archives@....

On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Robert W. Grabarek, Jr. <grabarek@...> wrote:

The white jacket was normal attire for coach attendants.

Bob Grabarek

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Steve Ellis via groups.io" 
Sent: Mar 9, 2021 12:17 PM 
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" 
Subject: Re: Greensboro map was Re: [SouthernRailway] Dining Car Crews Sleeping on their Cars 

Wonderful, thank you! 

 On my trip on the Southern from Washington to Atlanta and back in October of 1970, it seemed that even car attendants wore a white cotton 

jacket that looks like something a waiter would wear. Is that normal attire or was this person perhaps a member of the dining staff filling in for

the regular car attendant? 

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 11:42:52 AM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

In addition to hotels, many cities and large railroad facilities had either bunkhouses or YMCAs. (There are plans for several in the archives.) The question is….were they used by dining car staff? I suspect that was not common because dining cars were dropped and picked up by trains at various depots.

Ike

PS Here are two pages from the 7-31-57 dining car assignments.

On Mar 9, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

I was wondering if the Southern Railway ever housed any of their employees in a hotel for an overnight stay. I know that Amtrak does this. Here in New York City, one of the car attendants on the Crescent told me that he spends the night in a hotel right across the street from Penn Station.

Employees on American trains are not away from home nearly as much as those on the Russian trains. In 2010 I fulfilled a dream I’ve had from childhood and rode the Trans-Siberian railroad from Moscow to Vladivostok, a journey of seven days.

On YouTube you can watch a video of a lady who is an attendant on this train. Every time she leaves home it is for two weeks. The train does not have showers, and they do not get a hotel when they get to Vladivostok, sleeping in the train instead.

I spoke to one lady who said that she did two round trips and was away from home for a month.

Steve Ellis,

Brooklyn New York

On Mar 9, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Graves, William W <wwg@...> wrote:



> Was this installation located on the military reservation shown on your Greensboro map?

 

While I did not recognize the picture, the Military Reservation shown on the map was definitely what was called the ORD section of Greensboro.  The picture could have been from the Pilot Life Campus that was mentioned in the wiki article as it had trees and while my time in Greensboro didn’t start until 1954, by then the ORD section was quite built up with small industrial buildings.

- Bill

On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:44 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

When office car NS-8 arrived at TVRM, I was looking in the closets and discovered several what I’d call “attendants’ jackets, soiled but in good condition. Someday, I expect they will find a new use in a museum display?

Ike

PS We are still looking for new trucks for Southern OC-21 circa 1956 (when it was converted at Hayne Shop). If anyone know of any that might be available, let me know at archives@....

On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:19 PM, Robert W. Grabarek, Jr. <grabarek@...> wrote:

The white jacket was normal attire for coach attendants.

Bob Grabarek

-----Original Message----- 
From: "Steve Ellis via groups.io" 
Sent: Mar 9, 2021 12:17 PM 
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" 
Subject: Re: Greensboro map was Re: [SouthernRailway] Dining Car Crews Sleeping on their Cars 

Wonderful, thank you! 

 On my trip on the Southern from Washington to Atlanta and back in October of 1970, it seemed that even car attendants wore a white cotton 

jacket that looks like something a waiter would wear. Is that normal attire or was this person perhaps a member of the dining staff filling in for

the regular car attendant? 

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 11:42:52 AM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

In addition to hotels, many cities and large railroad facilities had either bunkhouses or YMCAs. (There are plans for several in the archives.) The question is….were they used by dining car staff? I suspect that was not common because dining cars were dropped and picked up by trains at various depots.

Ike

PS Here are two pages from the 7-31-57 dining car assignments.

On Mar 9, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

I was wondering if the Southern Railway ever housed any of their employees in a hotel for an overnight stay. I know that Amtrak does this. Here in New York City, one of the car attendants on the Crescent told me that he spends the night in a hotel right across the street from Penn Station.

Employees on American trains are not away from home nearly as much as those on the Russian trains. In 2010 I fulfilled a dream I’ve had from childhood and rode the Trans-Siberian railroad from Moscow to Vladivostok, a journey of seven days.

On YouTube you can watch a video of a lady who is an attendant on this train. Every time she leaves home it is for two weeks. The train does not have showers, and they do not get a hotel when they get to Vladivostok, sleeping in the train instead.

I spoke to one lady who said that she did two round trips and was away from home for a month.

Steve Ellis,

Brooklyn New York

On Mar 9, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Graves, William W <wwg@...> wrote:



> Was this installation located on the military reservation shown on your Greensboro map?

 

While I did not recognize the picture, the Military Reservation shown on the map was definitely what was called the ORD section of Greensboro.  The picture could have been from the Pilot Life Campus that was mentioned in the wiki article as it had trees and while my time in Greensboro didn’t start until 1954, by then the ORD section was quite built up with small industrial buildings.

- Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Ellis via groups.io"
Sent: Mar 9, 2021 12:17 PM
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io"
Subject: Re: Greensboro map was Re: [SouthernRailway] Dining Car Crews Sleeping on their Cars

Wonderful, thank you! 

 On my trip on the Southern from Washington to Atlanta and back in October of 1970, it seemed that even car attendants wore a white cotton 

jacket that looks like something a waiter would wear. Is that normal attire or was this person perhaps a member of the dining staff filling in for

the regular car attendant? 

On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 11:42:52 AM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

In addition to hotels, many cities and large railroad facilities had either bunkhouses or YMCAs. (There are plans for several in the archives.) The question is….were they used by dining car staff? I suspect that was not common because dining cars were dropped and picked up by trains at various depots.

Ike

PS Here are two pages from the 7-31-57 dining car assignments.

On Mar 9, 2021, at 10:58 AM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

I was wondering if the Southern Railway ever housed any of their employees in a hotel for an overnight stay. I know that Amtrak does this. Here in New York City, one of the car attendants on the Crescent told me that he spends the night in a hotel right across the street from Penn Station.

Employees on American trains are not away from home nearly as much as those on the Russian trains. In 2010 I fulfilled a dream I’ve had from childhood and rode the Trans-Siberian railroad from Moscow to Vladivostok, a journey of seven days.

On YouTube you can watch a video of a lady who is an attendant on this train. Every time she leaves home it is for two weeks. The train does not have showers, and they do not get a hotel when they get to Vladivostok, sleeping in the train instead.

I spoke to one lady who said that she did two round trips and was away from home for a month.

Steve Ellis,

Brooklyn New York

On Mar 9, 2021, at 10:42 AM, Graves, William W <wwg@...> wrote:



> Was this installation located on the military reservation shown on your Greensboro map?

 

While I did not recognize the picture, the Military Reservation shown on the map was definitely what was called the ORD section of Greensboro.  The picture could have been from the Pilot Life Campus that was mentioned in the wiki article as it had trees and while my time in Greensboro didn’t start until 1954, by then the ORD section was quite built up with small industrial buildings.

- Bill