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locked Re: Question/Request for information on Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach

TIM ANDREWS
 

I don't believe it was remembered. It is possible it was not being used in excursion service by that time, and in fact might have already been on loan to TVRM.


On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:11 PM, Artist794 Workshop
<artist794workshop@...> wrote:

Thank you for the information lead!!  please let me know if you find those records as well, much appreciated!!.  I spent some time this afternoon looking at CNOTP photos online and was able to find some of the car.  

I do have a question regarding the wreak in 1986. Based on reports I've found online there only were 3 Southern cars on that train and none had the number 3659. Could it be that the car was renumbered? or is it possible that this was a different car and not involved with the wreak? Prior to today I had not heard about the wreak and again spent some time doing some quick research this evening. 

Regardless thank you, this was a great start and helped fill in some blanks.

Chris Zygmunt
Essex, CT


locked Re: Question/Request for information on Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach

Artist794 Workshop
 

Thank you for the information lead!!  please let me know if you find those records as well, much appreciated!!.  I spent some time this afternoon looking at CNOTP photos online and was able to find some of the car.  

I do have a question regarding the wreak in 1986. Based on reports I've found online there only were 3 Southern cars on that train and none had the number 3659. Could it be that the car was renumbered? or is it possible that this was a different car and not involved with the wreak? Prior to today I had not heard about the wreak and again spent some time doing some quick research this evening. 

Regardless thank you, this was a great start and helped fill in some blanks.

Chris Zygmunt
Essex, CT


locked Re: Question re: Southern operating practices

Carl Ardrey
 

Not for movements within yard limits, but movements still had to clear first class trains times with in YL.  Register would be needed to leave for info on opposing superior trains.
CEA

On 05/24/2021 7:48 PM Paul Schmidt <pschmidt3013@...> wrote:
 
 
Hello all,

In Southern Ry. practice, would a train register book have been needed or required at a junction if movement on the track the train was entering was governed by Yard Limit rules? 

Thank you for your insights.
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA


locked Question re: Southern operating practices

Paul Schmidt
 

Hello all,

In Southern Ry. practice, would a train register book have been needed or required at a junction if movement on the track the train was entering was governed by Yard Limit rules? 

Thank you for your insights.
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA


locked Re: Question/Request for information on Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach

TIM ANDREWS
 

I can't answer all of the questions off the top of my head but I can tell you that the coach was built for the CNOTP subsidiary of the Southern.  It was used in excursion service and survived the great dismal swamp wreck in 1986.  Because the NS would require tightlock couplers on all excursion cars after the wreck, this car was sidelined rather then being rebuilt.  It operated at TVRM for a brief period before being sold to Ohio Central in 1987.

If I could find my other car records I could tell you who built it, and when.

Tim Andrews
Chattanooga, TN

On Monday, May 24, 2021, 02:12:16 PM EDT, Artist794 Workshop <artist794workshop@...> wrote:


Good-afternoon everyone,

My name is Chris Zygmunt, I am new to this group and join hoping someone my have ( or know someone/someplace else) information regarding an Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach. Bit of Backstory, I am a member of the Friends of the Valley Railroad. A volunteer organization associated with the tourist line, the Valley Railroad, better known as the Essex Steam Train & Riverboat. In 2021 our railroad is turning 50 years old and to help celebrate I have been researching all of our rolling stock and engines history in hopes of using that information to create a series of articles detailing the items life from creation to our line. 

Last year our line acquired 3 more coaches from the Age of Steam Roundhouse. One was a Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach with its current number being 3659. 

Does anyone know where I might be able to find information about this car? Things like who built it?, where it ran?, When it might have left the SR for Ohio?, Photos or drawings of the car?, etc.  Any information or leads would be greatly appreciated and thank you for taking the time to read this request.

Please feel free to reach me off group as well via my email: Artist794workshop@...


locked Question/Request for information on Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach

Artist794 Workshop
 

Good-afternoon everyone,

My name is Chris Zygmunt, I am new to this group and join hoping someone my have ( or know someone/someplace else) information regarding an Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach. Bit of Backstory, I am a member of the Friends of the Valley Railroad. A volunteer organization associated with the tourist line, the Valley Railroad, better known as the Essex Steam Train & Riverboat. In 2021 our railroad is turning 50 years old and to help celebrate I have been researching all of our rolling stock and engines history in hopes of using that information to create a series of articles detailing the items life from creation to our line. 

Last year our line acquired 3 more coaches from the Age of Steam Roundhouse. One was a Ex-Southern Railway Heavyweight Coach with its current number being 3659. 

Does anyone know where I might be able to find information about this car? Things like who built it?, where it ran?, When it might have left the SR for Ohio?, Photos or drawings of the car?, etc.  Any information or leads would be greatly appreciated and thank you for taking the time to read this request.

Please feel free to reach me off group as well via my email: Artist794workshop@...


locked Re: Stencil help need for another Southern Rwy boxcar

George Eichelberger
 

Matt:

The original and rebuild stencil schemes are in the original version of the 40’ box car book. (I can send larger versions and individual stencil drawings (full size) if needed.

Why don’t you gather some of the SR faithful in NC and plan a work session at the archives? The L&NHS is moving in and very soon there will be more on the development of a TVRM museum in a 10,000 sq ft building, just across Turntable Road from the archives building. (Work continues on the model railroad on the first floor in the TVRM headquarters building.)

Ike
 

On May 23, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Matt Bumgarner <tarheelpress@...> wrote:

Who is da man?
Ike is da man.

Thanks so much!

Matt

On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 9:44 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Southern 46831 was rebuilt and renumbered from Sou 14412 5-2-68.

The re-write of the SRHA Southern Railway 40’ box car book will include material on all of the Southern and CofG rebuild programs. If folks will help with research in the Hayne Shop files, the book can be published this year. Photos of any SR 40’ box car are welcome to be included.

Ike






locked Re: Stencil help need for another Southern Rwy boxcar

Matt Bumgarner
 

Who is da man?
Ike is da man.

Thanks so much!

Matt

On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 9:44 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Southern 46831 was rebuilt and renumbered from Sou 14412 5-2-68.

The re-write of the SRHA Southern Railway 40’ box car book will include material on all of the Southern and CofG rebuild programs. If folks will help with research in the Hayne Shop files, the book can be published this year. Photos of any SR 40’ box car are welcome to be included.

Ike





locked Re: Stencil help need for another Southern Rwy boxcar

George Eichelberger
 

Southern 46831 was rebuilt and renumbered from Sou 14412 5-2-68.

The re-write of the SRHA Southern Railway 40’ box car book will include material on all of the Southern and CofG rebuild programs. If folks will help with research in the Hayne Shop files, the book can be published this year. Photos of any SR 40’ box car are welcome to be included.

Ike


locked Stencil help need for another Southern Rwy boxcar

Matt Bumgarner
 

Hi everyone-

In addition to the 50ft boxcar that Jim King is assisting the Craggy Mountain Line in restoring, the SE Narrow Gauge & Shortline Museum needs help with a 40 ft SR boxcar.

Our car will first serve as a temporary shop facility for our museum, and then rotate to display once our shop building is complete.

Our car is Southern Railway boxcar 46831. This boxcar was built in December of 1940 by the Pullman-Standard Company and served the Southern Railway for 4 decades, last being serviced in 1979.
The current road number of the car reflects rebuilding under the Southern Car Program 937 between 1968-72. The boxcars were modified in 1968 at the Berwick Forge & Foundry in Pennsylvania. During the rebuild program 1200 boxcars were strengthened with heavier side sills and had their doors enlarged from 6 ft. to 9ft. The cars' ratings were also upgraded from 40 tons to 50 tons and the old round “Southern Serves the South” logos were upgraded to the newer “Green Light to Innovations” paint scheme, and new numbers were applied to the car series (Unfortunately, we are as of yet unable to determine the original number of our car).

Any help with paint diagrams, history/orginal number, etc, will be most appreciated.

Thanks

Matt Bumgarner


locked Second attempt at 42000 series box car assignments

George Eichelberger
 

Here is a smaller, cleaner version of the Sou 42000-42099 50’ box car assignment list. As part of a very large draft, it has duplicates and errors to be corrected. (Some “errors” are directly from the Southern Hayne Shop records.) To save space on the io group, this version will be deleted in a couple of weeks.

If anyone is particularly interested in Southern rolling stock, they are welcome to come to our archives work sessions and help with this, or any other project.

Ike


locked Anyone know C G Heflin?

Jim King
 

Many SOU boxcar pix on Fallen Flags have C G Heflin credit.  I don’t know the man so am wondering if anyone does?  I think he is/was located in northern Virginia.  If possible, it would be great to have access to original slides/negs to scan to hi-rez for archival purposes.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


locked Re: Need stenciling help with 584907

George Eichelberger
 

This discussion reminds the SRHA Directors that we need to revisit and decide if there is enough interest in the “plan packs” we have offered in the past to devote resources to producing and making more available. The only one now on the SRHA “GRAB” section of the website (www.srha.net) is are the drawings for single door “waffle" box cars ($12.00+$2.00 postage). Drawings for each car are printed on tabloid (11x17”) paper and folded once so they can be mailed in a standard 8.5x11” envelope.

Is there any interest in SRHA offering more “plan packs”? Which cars?

Ike




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D. Scott Chatfield
 

If memory serves the Green Bay & Western was the only other buyer of these 52'6" FGE cars.  As Nick Molo mentioned, FGE was more a car assembler than a car builder, and these cars look like they have sides made by Paccar and ends from ACF.

James, did your model come out to 52'6"?  I've seen another kitbash of this car and it was only 50' long.  I have the parts to build one, the 722, and I'll shorten the sides from an Eel River Paccar 60' beer car.

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Need stenciling help with 584907

Jim King
 

I mentioned doing a fund raising project in HO using this car but had no idea if the car was ever produced or, if it was, if still available.  Custom-run RTR car in this scheme would be an outstanding addition for modelers and likely have appeal to non-modelers visiting the Craggy.  Too bad the car isn’t available.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


locked Re: Need stenciling help with 584907

James
 

I have also talked to Nick Molo about doing the FGE cars as part of his RBL line.  He said the same thing that they appear
to be a one road car.  I have found that WP and maybe other roads that did not join the UP in the PFE/WFE venture did have
FGE cars but I can not locate picture for the number series listed for FGE.  Maybe if someone can find evidence of other cars like
the Southern cars we might can get them made.

Also I did a clinic on building these cars from existing models and resin cast parts a couple of years ago.  It can be found on my
RPM clinic page on Groups.io



James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Need stenciling help with 584907

George Eichelberger
 

Jim:

I’ll locate and get the FGE stencil drawing for these cars to you.

Ike

PS For the HO modelers among us, I spoke to Moloco about doing them. He told me (Nick would know, his research is excellent) that was unlikely. Fruit Growers was basically a car assembly company when the Southern RBLs were produced. That means they purchased parts and assemblies from other manufacturers and put car together like a kit.

Because the Southern orders used an atypical combination of parts, they did not correspond to other prototypes. I would not make sense for any “prototype” model manufacturer to produce a mol single railroad’s car.



On May 20, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:

We’re restoring 584907 at the Craggy Mountain Line back to 12-79 delivery scheme and need help with stenciling.  Below is a Fallen Flags image from a car in that series.  If SRHA or individual has pix of cars in this series or, even better, a stenciling diagram, please contact me off-list.  So far, we’ve applied the large block lettering on both sides of the door.  Now I need to design the capacity, etc., stacked consolidation plate, car dimensions, end lettering and bank loan info in upper left of the side, along with misc. small stuff.
 
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Jim King
 


locked Need stenciling help with 584907

Jim King
 

We’re restoring 584907 at the Craggy Mountain Line back to 12-79 delivery scheme and need help with stenciling.  Below is a Fallen Flags image from a car in that series.  If SRHA or individual has pix of cars in this series or, even better, a stenciling diagram, please contact me off-list.  So far, we’ve applied the large block lettering on both sides of the door.  Now I need to design the capacity, etc., stacked consolidation plate, car dimensions, end lettering and bank loan info in upper left of the side, along with misc. small stuff.

 

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


locked Re: Questions

Michael Young
 

Here's a link to the 1954 public timetable page that shows the consist at that time.  I was born in 1954, and can vaguely remember seeing the diner laying over on the servicing track at Columbia, but by the time I made my first trip on the Carolina Special, around 1963, the Columbia-Charleston segment had been discontinued, and the diner was cut back to either Asheville or Knoxville.  For that first trip only, the Louisville sleeper was still running, but not for long after that.  From then on until final discontinuance in 1968, it was a 2-car consist, a baggage car and a modernized heavyweight coach.  My admittedly vague memory of the diner is that it was a modernized heavyweight one, probably in the 3100 series.
Mike Young

https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeljy/6133995989/in/album-72157619877273926/



-----Original Message-----
From: Clark Barrow <clark.barrow@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Sent: Tue, May 18, 2021 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Questions

Thanks Evan and everyone else for your responses. I’m interested in whatever years the Southern Railway Diner Car 3168 (or a similar heavyweight car) was a part of the consist. When was this diner car used and what was the consist for this train? Thanks again.

On May 18, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Evan Whatley <Evan.w.what@...> wrote:

Hey Clark. The Carolina Special has a long and storied history. What era/years are you interested in getting consist information for?
--
-Evan Whatley


locked Re: Questions

Clark Barrow
 

Thanks Evan and everyone else for your responses. I’m interested in whatever years the Southern Railway Diner Car 3168 (or a similar heavyweight car) was a part of the consist. When was this diner car used and what was the consist for this train? Thanks again.

On May 18, 2021, at 10:07 AM, Evan Whatley <Evan.w.what@...> wrote:

Hey Clark. The Carolina Special has a long and storied history. What era/years are you interested in getting consist information for?
--
-Evan Whatley

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