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locked Southern Boxcars with opening end doors

George Courtney
 

Can anyone tell me if the 40' and 50' Southern boxcars with opening end doors were 5/4 or 5/3 ends.  I can't find a photo anywhere I looked.  These would be Dreadnought ends.  My era is early 1950's.

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Station sign standards

George Eichelberger
 

Paul:

From the SRHA archives, here circa 1947, is the drawing for “Southern Railway Post Sign”.

All of the various state RR crossing signs are also in the files, I will see if the VA “slow down” sign is included*.

Ike

* We would like to purchase a “network” set of drives for the archives that will allow us to put selected items on line. If anyone would be interested in helping with the cost, (est. $3.000-$4,000) contact us at archives@....



On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Paul Schmidt <pschmidt3013@...> wrote:

Anyone have a lead on where I might find the standard plan for the Southern's pole-mounted station signs? 

Also, and this casting the net really wide, I'm trying get some idea of the dimensions and especially the font which Virginia used for its signs mounted beneath crossbucks, the signs that declared  "SLOW DOWN TO 5 MILES -- VA. LAW"

Thank you for any assistance.
--
Paul Schmidt


locked Re: Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Michael Young
 

I have a copy, and I too enjoyed it, it contains a lot of good information, and is written in a way that holds a reader's interest.  One thing I will always remember about it, however, is this quote from the chapter, "The Wreck of the Old 97," on page 27:  "The line 'This is not 38, but it's Old 97' refers to the relative speed of 97 over a slower, lower-numbered passenger train, dependable but not glamorous."

Mike Young


-----Original Message-----
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Bob, I enjoyed it too, learning about many obscure wrecks/accidents. I do recommend the book, but just double check anything which seems questionable.

All wrecks are nasty, but New Market ranks right up there.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 06:14:44 PM EDT, Robert Hanson via groups.io <rhanson669@...> wrote:


That would be suspicious, Jack.

The book was written by an English professor as a study of ballads and the wrecks that inspired them, it was not written by a railroader or a rail enthusiast.

I agree that it has its shortcomings, but it taught me something.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Thanks Bob,

It's an interesting book, but some pictures in her article on the New Market wreck are questionable (e.g. wrecked freight cars in the wreck of two passenger trains).

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 04:50:26 PM EDT, Robert Hanson via groups.io <rhanson669@...> wrote:


I accidentally hit "send" before I was finished.  Sorry.

The previously mentioned book is a study of train wrecks and the ballads written about them.

I don't think it is still in print, but one could probably be found at a show, on ebay, or at Amazon.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Re: Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

C J Wyatt
 

Bob, I enjoyed it too, learning about many obscure wrecks/accidents. I do recommend the book, but just double check anything which seems questionable.

All wrecks are nasty, but New Market ranks right up there.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 06:14:44 PM EDT, Robert Hanson via groups.io <rhanson669@...> wrote:


That would be suspicious, Jack.

The book was written by an English professor as a study of ballads and the wrecks that inspired them, it was not written by a railroader or a rail enthusiast.

I agree that it has its shortcomings, but it taught me something.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Thanks Bob,

It's an interesting book, but some pictures in her article on the New Market wreck are questionable (e.g. wrecked freight cars in the wreck of two passenger trains).

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 04:50:26 PM EDT, Robert Hanson via groups.io <rhanson669@...> wrote:


I accidentally hit "send" before I was finished.  Sorry.

The previously mentioned book is a study of train wrecks and the ballads written about them.

I don't think it is still in print, but one could probably be found at a show, on ebay, or at Amazon.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Re: Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Robert Hanson
 

That would be suspicious, Jack.

The book was written by an English professor as a study of ballads and the wrecks that inspired them, it was not written by a railroader or a rail enthusiast.

I agree that it has its shortcomings, but it taught me something.

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 6:08 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Thanks Bob,

It's an interesting book, but some pictures in her article on the New Market wreck are questionable (e.g. wrecked freight cars in the wreck of two passenger trains).

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 04:50:26 PM EDT, Robert Hanson via groups.io <rhanson669@...> wrote:


I accidentally hit "send" before I was finished.  Sorry.

The previously mentioned book is a study of train wrecks and the ballads written about them.

I don't think it is still in print, but one could probably be found at a show, on ebay, or at Amazon.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Re: Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

C J Wyatt
 

Thanks Bob,

It's an interesting book, but some pictures in her article on the New Market wreck are questionable (e.g. wrecked freight cars in the wreck of two passenger trains).

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, June 20, 2021, 04:50:26 PM EDT, Robert Hanson via groups.io <rhanson669@...> wrote:


I accidentally hit "send" before I was finished.  Sorry.

The previously mentioned book is a study of train wrecks and the ballads written about them.

I don't think it is still in print, but one could probably be found at a show, on ebay, or at Amazon.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Re: Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Robert Hanson
 

I accidentally hit "send" before I was finished.  Sorry.

The previously mentioned book is a study of train wrecks and the ballads written about them.

I don't think it is still in print, but one could probably be found at a show, on ebay, or at Amazon.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Re: Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Robert Hanson
 

This wreck received about 10 pages of coverage, including photos, in Katie Letcher Lyle's 1983 book, Scalded to Death by the Steam,


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Head On Collision Near New Market, TN, 1904

Carl Ardrey
 

Initial report from president's files in SRHA archives.


locked Re: Southern Single Sheated Boxcars

George Eichelberger
 

I agree with Dave, I am not aware of any Southern single sheathed USRA box cars. Although USRA allocated some number of them to the Southern, that information might be found on a USRA published list but it is incorrect. The Southern did not want/need the cars because it was happy with the many thousands of 36’ box cars it had and it did not want to take on financing for the cars.

I have to go back and look at my own posts as I forgot how they “negotiated” some other cars from USRA in lieu of the SS cars. (Hoppers, gons and drop-bottom gons (“coal cars”) were what the Southern needed in the late teens and early 20s.

Ike

PS There will be a SRHA archives work session next Fri and Sat. I will be there Thursday afternoon if someone wants to come by then....please send an email to archives@... (and have your Covid vaccination) if you plan to be there.



On Jun 11, 2021, at 11:27 AM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

Allen,

I can’t recall any Southern single sheathed cars. Maybe some were forced on them by USRA or they inherited from an acquisition? I will follow along to see me proved wrong.

Dave Bott


On Jun 11, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


I apologize for the cross postings.  And yes, I did do my own research on this but came up blank so appreciate any help that I can get from anyone so here goes.

Did the Southern own and operate any single sheathed boxcars in the mid-1955?

And if so, does anyone have pictures to share?

And if so, does any of the new Rapido boxcars match what the Southern had?  Here is a link:


And finally, if all of the above is yes, who makes the correct decals?

Thank you!

--
Allen Cain

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Re: Sn3 7-58

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

According to the list compiled on the Steam Freighcars list, "SR" was Spencer. "SN" doesn't show up at all, though that group does not really consider anything after about 1960, A car reweighed at Spartanburg would probably be "HE" for Hayne Shops.  

Aidrian

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:09 AM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
What I am seeing is Sn 3-58. Looks like a reweigh date. Would Sn be Spencer? 

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:47:25 PM EDT, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


I saw a K4 decal for the twin hoppers.  On it is the above lettering.  Sn3 and the date.  Also that it was built in 1937.  I'm assuming that this Sn refers to either a repaint or a later shopping date.  But I'm unfamiliar with Sn3?

Was this a shop on the old Southern and if so, where was it?  My best guess is Spartanburg, South Carolina.  I do know back then most hopper work was done at the Costner Shops in Knoxville.  Was Spartanburg a repaint shop?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Re: Southern Single Sheated Boxcars

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

None on the Southern, however several connecting roads did have them, with PRR and NYC probably among the most likely to show up. Clinchfield, C&O, N&W, and AB&C are others that I can think of without looking anything up, though the C&O cars got radial roofs later in life

Aidrian

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 4:23 PM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
I apologize for the cross postings.  And yes, I did do my own research on this but came up blank so appreciate any help that I can get from anyone so here goes.

Did the Southern own and operate any single sheathed boxcars in the mid-1955?

And if so, does anyone have pictures to share?

And if so, does any of the new Rapido boxcars match what the Southern had?  Here is a link:


And finally, if all of the above is yes, who makes the correct decals?

Thank you!

--
Allen Cain

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Re: Southern Single Sheated Boxcars

O Fenton Wells
 

No, Southern Had no 40 ft OB boxcars.


On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 11:27 AM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:
Allen,

I can’t recall any Southern single sheathed cars. Maybe some were forced on them by USRA or they inherited from an acquisition? I will follow along to see me proved wrong.

Dave Bott


On Jun 11, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


I apologize for the cross postings.  And yes, I did do my own research on this but came up blank so appreciate any help that I can get from anyone so here goes.

Did the Southern own and operate any single sheathed boxcars in the mid-1955?

And if so, does anyone have pictures to share?

And if so, does any of the new Rapido boxcars match what the Southern had?  Here is a link:


And finally, if all of the above is yes, who makes the correct decals?

Thank you!

--
Allen Cain

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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locked Re: Southern Single Sheated Boxcars

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Allen,

I can’t recall any Southern single sheathed cars. Maybe some were forced on them by USRA or they inherited from an acquisition? I will follow along to see me proved wrong.

Dave Bott


On Jun 11, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:


I apologize for the cross postings.  And yes, I did do my own research on this but came up blank so appreciate any help that I can get from anyone so here goes.

Did the Southern own and operate any single sheathed boxcars in the mid-1955?

And if so, does anyone have pictures to share?

And if so, does any of the new Rapido boxcars match what the Southern had?  Here is a link:


And finally, if all of the above is yes, who makes the correct decals?

Thank you!

--
Allen Cain

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Southern Single Sheated Boxcars

Allen Cain
 

I apologize for the cross postings.  And yes, I did do my own research on this but came up blank so appreciate any help that I can get from anyone so here goes.

Did the Southern own and operate any single sheathed boxcars in the mid-1955?

And if so, does anyone have pictures to share?

And if so, does any of the new Rapido boxcars match what the Southern had?  Here is a link:


And finally, if all of the above is yes, who makes the correct decals?

Thank you!

--
Allen Cain

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Re: Sn3 7-58

C J Wyatt
 

What I am seeing is Sn 3-58. Looks like a reweigh date. Would Sn be Spencer? 

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, June 10, 2021, 10:47:25 PM EDT, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:


I saw a K4 decal for the twin hoppers.  On it is the above lettering.  Sn3 and the date.  Also that it was built in 1937.  I'm assuming that this Sn refers to either a repaint or a later shopping date.  But I'm unfamiliar with Sn3?

Was this a shop on the old Southern and if so, where was it?  My best guess is Spartanburg, South Carolina.  I do know back then most hopper work was done at the Costner Shops in Knoxville.  Was Spartanburg a repaint shop?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Sn3 7-58

George Courtney
 

I saw a K4 decal for the twin hoppers.  On it is the above lettering.  Sn3 and the date.  Also that it was built in 1937.  I'm assuming that this Sn refers to either a repaint or a later shopping date.  But I'm unfamiliar with Sn3?

Was this a shop on the old Southern and if so, where was it?  My best guess is Spartanburg, South Carolina.  I do know back then most hopper work was done at the Costner Shops in Knoxville.  Was Spartanburg a repaint shop?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Re: Balsam

Michael Young
 

Stephen, did some googling and was disappointed to find reports on Yelp that the hotel has closed.  All interior furnishings were removed/sold in December 2020, and the building is currently for sale.  The Grand Old Lady website now links to what is apparently an auto body repair shop.  (I got a warning from Chrome security and decided not to continue to the site.)  It's sad, I was already planning a trip there in my mind.
Mike Young


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Warner <sgwarner88@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jun 9, 2021 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Balsam

Mike, that is the Balsam Inn, built sometime around 1905, if I recall correctly.  It was a summer retreat for northern city folk who came down on trains.  Their trunks were ferried up the hill to the lodge.  The lodge’s hallways even today are wide enough for their steamer trunks to stay outside their door.  Until a previous owner refurbished the Inn, it had no heat, as it was a summer lodge.  When a local college was upgrading their systems, she bought the old furnace and radiator system and installed it, so it became a year-round Inn.  If I recall correctly, the depot was moved across from the Inn a ways away, up on a hill, and was used as a B&B (I stayed there one time).  Until COVID, we often stayed at the Balsam Inn (the front 3rd floor corner rooms are best), and from the huge porch watched the NS local top the hill (sometimes not stopping to set retainers) before going to Bryson.  You can check on the status today.  While it is “rustic/historic”, renovations are eclectic and whimsical, but nice.  I personally recommend it, although it is not your Marriott or Four Seasons.


locked Re: Balsam

Stephen Warner
 

Mike, that is the Balsam Inn, built sometime around 1905, if I recall correctly.  It was a summer retreat for northern city folk who came down on trains.  Their trunks were ferried up the hill to the lodge.  The lodge’s hallways even today are wide enough for their steamer trunks to stay outside their door.  Until a previous owner refurbished the Inn, it had no heat, as it was a summer lodge.  When a local college was upgrading their systems, she bought the old furnace and radiator system and installed it, so it became a year-round Inn.  If I recall correctly, the depot was moved across from the Inn a ways away, up on a hill, and was used as a B&B (I stayed there one time).  Until COVID, we often stayed at the Balsam Inn (the front 3rd floor corner rooms are best), and from the huge porch watched the NS local top the hill (sometimes not stopping to set retainers) before going to Bryson.  You can check on the status today.  While it is “rustic/historic”, renovations are eclectic and whimsical, but nice.  I personally recommend it, although it is not your Marriott or Four Seasons.


locked Balsam

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Returning from a most pleasant photo shoot of GSMR 1702 at Bryson City, NC I turned in to see the "highest track elevation on the Southern" at Balsam. Found where the station once stood and was quite surprised to see the big hotel on a hill above: "The Grand Old Lady". Was this structure built back in the day when folks took the train up into the western Carolina mountains to escape the summer heat? And, was it built by the Southern?

Mike Pierry, Jr.

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