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Preston Clark
Ditto!
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From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Wick Moorman <cwmoorman@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:14:47 PM To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@southernrailway.groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] TIES I’m in.
Wick
On Aug 22, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
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Eric Schrowang
That could be interesting. Look forward to seeing it. Eric
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021, 9:22 PM Michael Cathey via groups.io <mike76cathey=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Michael Cathey
Carl, I’m interested. Occasionally run across loose copies in antique malls. Some are dry, some are fascinating, all are interesting. Enjoyed the CD of “Southern News Bulletin”, predecessor(?) of “Ties”. Mike Cathey Orange, Va.
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From: Carl Ardrey
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:05 PM To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io Subject: [SouthernRailway] TIES
SRHA has a complete set of the Southern Rwy publication Ties. What would be the interest in offering for sale a CD with a calendar year's worth of issues?
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It’s an interesting idea. Sorry for ignorant questions. There’s a lot that could affect my interest. I recognize you’re just floating a trial balloon and may not have settled on options. It can be a bit of a chicken and egg thing.
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Are you aiming at the SRHA member researcher or people generally interested in the Southern? How many issues in a calendar year? What medium, e.g., DVD, USB drive, secure download? (a lot of new laptops and tablets don’t have DVD drives) What file format? Would text be searchable? What time span of years would be produced? Ideas on a rough price point per year? Would there be a discount price for ordering a decade or a complete set? Thanks Dave Sent from Dave Bott's iPhone
On Aug 22, 2021, at 7:05 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
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William Harley
I have about 40+ years worth of paper collection of “TIES”.
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Was hoping for a CD or whatever of a 2022 Calendar that could be printed out or our beloved Railway. Cheers Bill Harley
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aramsay18
Hello Carl Yes I would be interested in the Ties publications. Andy Ramsay Berryville VA
On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 7:07 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote: SRHA has a complete set of the Southern Rwy publication Ties. What would be the interest in offering for sale a CD with a calendar year's worth of issues?
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Wick Moorman
I’m in.
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On Aug 22, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
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Wick Moorman
Carl
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Can you set one aside for me? Thanks Wick
On Aug 22, 2021, at 6:32 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
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Carl Ardrey
SRHA has a complete set of the Southern Rwy publication Ties. What would be the interest in offering for sale a CD with a calendar year's worth of issues?
CEA
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Re: Southern Railway History
Carl Ardrey
We do have a few copies left.
CEA
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Southern Railway History
George Eichelberger
In 2005, Norfolk Southern donated a number of printed, but unbound, copies of “The Legal History of the Southern Railway” to SRHA. Written in 1901, by future SR President Fairfax Harrison, with supplements in 1921 and 1958, they represent the most complete and accurate description of the creation and development of the Southern Railway System.
They were printed, packaged and kept in the NS Archives until they were donated to SRHA. In 2005, SRHA President Dan Sparks had them trimmed and bound and we sold them through our Company Store, “The Grab". While the bindings were new, the SRHA versions are not reprints. Unfortunately, the limited supply has been sold out for quite some time. For anyone fortunate to have copies of the two Volume set, here is the response sent to almost anyone asking Southern for a copy from 1901 to 2006. From the SRHA - Southern Railway Presidents’ Files collection Box 192A File 21: Ike 
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Re: Man o’ War reunited
Ike,
It should be pointed out that this kind of thing doesn’t happen in a vacuum. Successful rail preservation efforts depend on a lot of groups such as SRHA for support. And I have to say SRHA has always been very helpful in providing information
when possible. We may have to do some of the research ourselves, but that’s half the fun.
Kevin
On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:36 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
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George Eichelberger
Kevin:
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This is great news! SARM is doing superb work preserving Central of Georgia and Southern rolling stock. Although we have not been very successful getting folks interested in the Central in coming to the SRHA archives to scan, organize and do research, there is a significant amount of CofG material in the collection. It includes many linen originals of CofG freight car drawings that date back to the wooden car era. Passenger car drawings are not well represented but the CofG and Southern Executive Dept. files include information on the last years of CofG passenger services and operations of the through trains operated with the IC, ACL and FEC. I’ve attached a single example from the file on Trains 9-10, “The Man O’ War”….. Ike 
On Aug 7, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Kevin Centers <klcenters@...> wrote:
Hi all,
It’s true the Man o’ War wasn’t a Southern train, but I thought you all might find this interesting
Kevin
August 5, 2021
From Southern Appalachia Railway Museum, Inc.and
East Tennessee Rail Car Services, Inc. in
Oak Ridge, TN
For Immediate Release
Man o’
War Train Together
Again
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Man o’ War reunited
Hi all,
It’s true the Man o’ War wasn’t a Southern train, but I thought you all might find this interesting
Kevin
August 5, 2021
From Southern Appalachia Railway Museum, Inc.and East Tennessee Rail Car Services, Inc. in Oak Ridge, TN
For Immediate Release
Man o’ War Train Together Again
Thoughts of the heyday of rail passenger travel bring to mind some of the famous named passenger trains. Some that come to mind include the Twentieth Century Limited, The California Zephyr, The Royal Palm, and The Crescent. After World War 2, these and many other trains were re-equipped with new streamlined lightweight equipment, with railroads investing millions of dollars to purchase complete trainsets from equipment builders that represented the finest in travel anywhere in the world. But nothing lasts forever, and in the 1960s with the interstate highway system rapidly expanding and air travel becoming more common with better schedules and first-class service, railroads began to discontinue their once great passenger trains. Over the next decade, the great American passenger train would all but disappear with many being completely discontinued and a few being handed over to Amtrak upon its formation in 1971.
As trains were discontinued, their assigned trainsets would be broken up. Most cars would be sold for scrap, leaving only a handful of survivors representing the once great passenger trains that served the small towns and big cities of America. Some of the remaining equipment would ultimately find its way to railroad preservation groups across the country. One such group is Southern Appalachia Railway Museum in Oak Ridge, TN.
In 1990, SARM would acquire its first passenger car, the Fort Oglethorpe, from Pandrol Jackson, a railroad engineering and maintenance company. The car was originally built for the Central of Georgia Railway, and later served Southern Railway after those two roads merged. The Central of Georgia ordered this coach as part of a four-car order from the Budd Company in 1945.All four cars were assigned to the Central’s newest passenger train the, Man o’ War, which was named after the famous racing horse. The Man o’ War was inaugurated in July of 1947, running from Atlanta to Columbus twice daily. The entire train consisted of all streamlined equipment built entirely of stainless steel and named after famous military installations along the Central of Georgia lines. The consist included combine car Fort Mitchell, coaches Fort McPherson and Fort Oglethorpe, and was crowned with round end tavern/lounge/observation car Fort Benning. The Man o’ War would provide first class service to the South for 23 years before ridership dwindled, leading to the discontinuance first of the tavern/lounge/observation service in the 1960s, and eventually causing Southern Railway (which merged with the CofG in 1963) to discontinue the train entirely in May of 1970. Since Southern didn’t join Amtrak until 1979, the equipment would continue to see regular service on other Southern Railway trains through the end of the decade. Eventually the cars were sold off to different owners in different parts of the country and scattered.
After SARM acquired the Fort Oglethorpe in 1990 a hunt began, more of a casual curiosity at first, but always there, for the 3 other cars from the Man o’ War. In 1999, SARM would acquire the train’s other coach, the Fort McPherson. This car had roamed as far as Alaska before being brought back home and the acquisition gave the museum half of the trainset. Fourteen years later, the next piece came home when East Tennessee Rail Car acquired the train’s observation car in 2013. ETRC invested its own resources to complete the huge project of moving the Fort Benning from Yakima, WA where the car was found on dead track being used as part of a shopping mall.
Now it is with a great deal of happiness that Southern Appalachia Railway Museum and East Tennessee Rail Car Services are able to make the following announcement. After 31 years of searching for each car, arrangements have been made between the Cuyahoga Valley Scenic Railroad and East Tennessee Rail Car to bring the final car of the original Man o’ War train set together with its stablemates. Fort Mitchell will join the other cars in Oak Ridge for restoration to original configuration. Coach Fort Oglethorpe has already been restored to operating condition, Fort McPherson is actively being restored. Once the other cars have been completed, the trainset will be fully assembled for the first time since the mid 1960’s. SARM believes this is the only non-articulated streamliner to be reunited and restored to its original configuration.
l C"We never thought this project would be feasible. Especially in the early years we'd sit and discuss or daydream about how fun it might be to do it one day, but never once believing it could be pulled off or we could pull it off. Chris Williams, who passed away unexpectedly in 2016, kept us passively focused on the project for years and always pushed the agenda when the opportunity arose. I think he'd be thrilled right now." Charles Poling, SARM Museum Director and President East Tennessee Rail Car Services, Inc. ar Services, Inc.
Southern Appalachia Railway Museum is a 501(c)3 corporation founded in 1990 in Tennessee
East Tennessee Rail Car Services, Inc. provides rail freight car, passenger car, and locomotive maintenance as well as switching services and equipment leasing.
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Waffle box reissue
I have two of those kits in my stash, both in the green Wright Trak boxes. I might take some pictures for you to look over.
I think I would test the waters much like you did with the 12 post and see what comes about. I know one of my kits will get one of Tony Sissons’s replacement doors. Which might be an option in updating the kit as well. This style door: I can say anything you do in the double door version, I will get two kits. Don’t forget about the WS RPM:
James Wall Rural Hall, NC
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Smoky Mountain Model Works announces new HO car kit
Jim King
A model of the long-awaited 12-post PS 5277 cf boxcar is close at hand. Pullman-Standard manufactured these exclusively for Southern Railway and the original Norfolk Southern starting in early 1973. Models have never been offered. Design is about 80% finished …only a few details, the brake system and final review remain. Patterns will be printed in-house, thus eliminating quality issues, escalating prices and shipping delays experienced with SLA suppliers.
These will be limited run kits and only enough will be produced to fulfill paid-in-full-orders received by 8/31/2021. To view details about this kit, please visit here: https://smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO-SOU-NS-5277-box.html
Contact me off-list to ask questions, place an order, etc. Depending on market response to these kits, other cars based on this design will be produced, including the waffle side version in single and double-door styles.
Jim King http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/
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Re: Stamped car numbers?
Ed Mims
Ike, I believe it was fairly common practice among railroads to stamp the owning roads reporting marks (Southern had none) and car number on the center sill. You might find the location on a paint and lettering (stenciling arrangement) drawing from a car builder of even a Southern Rwy drawing. I believe this was a "Recommended Practice" by the AAR. If you have an old copy of the AAR's Manual of Standards and Recommended Practices look in there for the recommended location.
The steel stamped stencils are difficult to find on old cars unless you know where to look. Ed Mims
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Jason Greene
I have found many Southern cars stenciled on the frame near the bolster but often this gets very dirty and hard to read.
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Inside the door is often another good place. You may have to remove layers of paint slowly to find clues. Jason Greene
On Jul 12, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike <trackside@...> wrote:
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Mike
I don’t know about the center sill but I do remember seeing the initial & number stamped on the lower side of the car body around the hand rails. Don’t remember if it was the ‘A’ end or ‘B’ End of the car though.
Mike Seawell
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From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2021 5:22 PM To: main@southernrailway.groups.io; RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [SouthernRailway] Stamped car numbers?
Does anyone know if the Southern used metal dies to stamp a car’s road number on its center sill?
The question is to try to determine a car’s original number so it can be painted and numbered correctly.
Ike
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George Eichelberger
Does anyone know if the Southern used metal dies to stamp a car’s road number on its center sill?
The question is to try to determine a car’s original number so it can be painted and numbered correctly. Ike
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