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locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Budd LtWt Pass Car Stencil Drawing - 1948

Curtis Brookshire
 

re, the lettering difference: The 1941 Tennessean and Southerner equipment came from Pullman. Maybe Budd submitted a different font due to competition with Pullman? I've read somewhere that there was some bad blood between the manufacturers that came from Pullman shutting Budd out of building streamlined sleepers when the ATSF ordered cars for the Super Chief in the 1930s.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level NC
locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Budd LtWt Pass Car Stencil Drawing - 1948

George Eichelberger
 

Gino:

Thanks for the info!

As a dedicated “Mac” user, I typically am not aware of issues like this…the Mac simply “handles” this stuff.

Ike

On Oct 20, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Gino Damen <g.damen@...> wrote:

Hi,

It is the type of attachment who is the problem. On the average PC TIFF images can be viewed. On a lot of mobile device the included imageviewer can not parse TIFF files.

Even the fact that you currently attached a file with the extension .JPEG can cause problems because the extension .JPEG isn't always registered correctly.

The safest option is always post images saved in JPEG-format and with the extension JPG (not JPEG although the file self is exactly the same).

Greetings,

Gino Damen
locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Budd LtWt Pass Car Stencil Drawing - 1948

Gino Damen
 

Hi,

It is the type of attachment who is the problem. On the average PC TIFF images can be viewed. On a lot of mobile device the included imageviewer can not parse TIFF files.

Even the fact that you currently attached a file with the extension .JPEG can cause problems because the extension .JPEG isn't always registered correctly.

The safest option is always post images saved in JPEG-format and with the extension JPG (not JPEG although the file self is exactly the same).

Greetings,

Gino Damen

20 okt. 2021 15:12:41 George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>:

Arrgh! Some folks can see them, others cannot…here’s an attached jpeg.

Ike



On Oct 20, 2021, at 8:29 AM, aramsay18 <aramsay37@...> wrote:

Hello Ike - the drawing/picture didn't come through in your original email.

Thanks

Regards from Berryville VA
Andy Ramsay

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:53 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Evan:

I assume you could see the drawing so I won’t re-send….

In the late 1940s and 50s, all of the passenger car builders were very active in marketing their designs to the Southern. Sometimes we see unsolicited proposals, other times preliminary drawings that were changed before the cars were built. This particular drawing is part of a large group produced for the “Royal Palm” and “Crescent” orders in ’48. (Southern was the “lead” in ordering cars for all of the roads that purchased equipment for those trains; NYC, SR, PRR, L&N, A&WP and FEC so there are many drawings of their cars in the files.

As the Southern’s 1941 “Southerner” and “Tennesseean” cars used the new passenger lettering, I wonder why Budd did not follow that example in ’48? Obviously, no cars were lettered this way!

Ike

PS Here’s a Southern Railway trivia question. Where did the 1941 passenger car lettering come from?



On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Evan Whatley <Evan.w.what@...> wrote:

Ike- The image didn't attach correctly, but you got me on pins and needles wondering what changed? Did Budd propose Roman script on their car order?
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-Evan Whatley




locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Budd LtWt Pass Car Stencil Drawing - 1948

aramsay18
 

Hello Ike - the drawing/picture didn't come through in your original email.

Thanks

Regards from Berryville VA
Andy Ramsay

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 5:53 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Evan:

I assume you could see the drawing so I won’t re-send….

In the late 1940s and 50s, all of the passenger car builders were very active in marketing their designs to the Southern. Sometimes we see unsolicited proposals, other times preliminary drawings that were changed before the cars were built. This particular drawing is part of a large group produced for the “Royal Palm” and “Crescent” orders in ’48. (Southern was the “lead” in ordering cars for all of the roads that purchased equipment for those trains; NYC, SR, PRR, L&N, A&WP and FEC so there are many drawings of their cars in the files.

As the Southern’s 1941 “Southerner” and “Tennesseean” cars used the new passenger lettering, I wonder why Budd did not follow that example in ’48? Obviously, no cars were lettered this way!

Ike

PS Here’s a Southern Railway trivia question. Where did the 1941 passenger car lettering come from?



On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Evan Whatley <Evan.w.what@...> wrote:

Ike- The image didn't attach correctly, but you got me on pins and needles wondering what changed? Did Budd propose Roman script on their car order?
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-Evan Whatley

locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Budd LtWt Pass Car Stencil Drawing - 1948

George Eichelberger
 

Evan:

I assume you could see the drawing so I won’t re-send….

In the late 1940s and 50s, all of the passenger car builders were very active in marketing their designs to the Southern. Sometimes we see unsolicited proposals, other times preliminary drawings that were changed before the cars were built. This particular drawing is part of a large group produced for the “Royal Palm” and “Crescent” orders in ’48. (Southern was the “lead” in ordering cars for all of the roads that purchased equipment for those trains; NYC, SR, PRR, L&N, A&WP and FEC so there are many drawings of their cars in the files.

As the Southern’s 1941 “Southerner” and “Tennesseean” cars used the new passenger lettering, I wonder why Budd did not follow that example in ’48? Obviously, no cars were lettered this way!

Ike

PS Here’s a Southern Railway trivia question. Where did the 1941 passenger car lettering come from?



On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Evan Whatley <Evan.w.what@...> wrote:

Ike- The image didn't attach correctly, but you got me on pins and needles wondering what changed? Did Budd propose Roman script on their car order?
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-Evan Whatley

locked Re: ACL O 15 photos

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Barry
Fenton 


On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Barry Kimble <southernry@...> wrote:


Fenton,
Well done!
Barry

On Oct 19, 2021, at 3:02 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Sorry I forgot to add the photos
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locked Re: ACL O 15 photos

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Gipson much appreciated 
Fenton 


On Oct 19, 2021, at 5:06 PM, gipson.philip via groups.io <gipson.philip@...> wrote:

Very nice!


On Oct 19, 2021, at 2:02 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Sorry I forgot to add the photos
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locked Re: ACL O 15 photos

Barry Kimble
 

Fenton,
Well done!
Barry

On Oct 19, 2021, at 3:02 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Sorry I forgot to add the photos

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gipson.philip
 

Very nice!


On Oct 19, 2021, at 2:02 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Sorry I forgot to add the photos
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locked Re: ACL O 15 photos

O Fenton Wells
 

Love it , Thanks so much
Fenton

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 3:43 PM Robert Graham <rgraham2@...> wrote:
Nice work, Fenton. Just to add to your collection, here is a photo I made of the very similar ACL class O-17 ventilated boxcar 18440 in service at the Wilmington NC freight station (now the Wilmington RR Museum) in July 1962. It was one of the first freight car photos I made. It shows the circa 1950 freight car lettering and the use of the Prismo stripes at the bottom of the car sides.

Bob Graham

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From: "O Fenton Wells"
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
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Sent: Tuesday October 19 2021 3:02:07PM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] ACL O 15 photos

Sorry I forgot to add the photos



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
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locked Re: ACL O 15 photos

Robert Graham
 

Nice work, Fenton. Just to add to your collection, here is a photo I made of the very similar ACL class O-17 ventilated boxcar 18440 in service at the Wilmington NC freight station (now the Wilmington RR Museum) in July 1962. It was one of the first freight car photos I made. It shows the circa 1950 freight car lettering and the use of the Prismo stripes at the bottom of the car sides.

Bob Graham

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From: "O Fenton Wells"
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday October 19 2021 3:02:07PM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] ACL O 15 photos

Sorry I forgot to add the photos

locked ACL O 15 photos

O Fenton Wells
 

Sorry I forgot to add the photos
locked Westerfield ACL O 15

O Fenton Wells
 

This is a Westerfield O 15.  It is the modern kit but I had to use the '40's decals as my railroad time ends in 1953.  It has been built pretty much as the directions outlined and HyTech air hoses and TCP ALC 40's era paint was used.  Kadee couplers and wheel sets as well.
This will help us during the peach season in the Carolinas.  I did weather the car but forgot to add decal chalk marks so had to do the white pencil routine.
Fenton
locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Southern 70T Woodchip Hopper

George Eichelberger
 

Dan:

Here is a reduced size SF-21598 showing the bracing that sat inside the box car wood chip conversions.  You’ll understand my reference to looking like a child’s swing set. (I’ll look to see if Southern did something similar for the hopper conversions?)

I’ve attached a rather poor scan made from microfilm years ago. We just put the new 48” scanner in service in the archives and I spent this past Thurs-Sat scanning the full size drawings…there are thousands more to do!. (We spent $7,000 on the new scanner but it’s worth every cent as far as we are concerned…of course donations to the archives are always welcome!)

With more help at the work sessions, we can get more done and work to make copies available, more to TIES articles, etc., etc. The Nov. session dates will be the 3rd weekend (Fri & Sat) of the month.

I mentioned we will be starting the “Southern News Bulletin” email to SRHA members every month TIES is not published next year. It’s not a PDF version of TIES as it will include modeling articles, “the Southern Today”, “From the Archives”, etc. We are looking for SRHA member volunteers to edit different sections, send a note to archives@... if you are interested. (A formal announcement will come out shortly.) Not every section will be in every “issue” and we expect it will only be a few pages to start. How it grows is “TBD”.

Ike

  

On Oct 17, 2021, at 11:04 AM, Daniel Bourque <deltabourque@...> wrote:

Ike, Fenton, David,

Good info on the shakers! I didn’t have any photos of the inside, so the cross bracing was a guess based on the extra panels on the outside reinforcing this section of the car as well as the example of bracing used in the modified boxcars. I’m making a removable load from foamcore that has slots to accommodate the bracing. 

The “rust” on the sides is just some paint stippling with a mostly dry brush. 

Dan


On Oct 17, 2021, at 7:35 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

 PS Re car shakers to unload wood chips.

For some genuine trivia (described in the pulpwood to chip car articles in TIES years ago), wood chips compact themselves straight down when loaded so opening doors on the bottom doesn’t do much. The modified hoppers and box cars had straight sides as you’d expect. All later purpose built chip cars were wider across the side sill than the top cord. Not by much but the extra width at the bottom counteracted the chip compressing themselves (!?)

The answer was to rotary dump chips. Some mills were slow to add dumpers but the cost and time savings were too big to ignore.

Ike

On Oct 17, 2021, at 9:25 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Nice work!

I see you have the internal bracing so the car could be rotary dumped. I don’t know if the same arrangement was in the hoppers but we have the drawings for the framework that sat inside the box cars modified for wood chip service. I describe the thing as looking sort of like a child’s swing set welded to the floor that went from side to side and end to end.

I have one of the box cars mol done but I have not decided how much effort to put into the doors. My thought is to load the car with sawdust wood chips but not cover up the bracing completely.

Ike


On Oct 16, 2021, at 11:57 PM, Daniel Bourque <deltabourque@...> wrote:

Finished a few models today. This one’s been sitting on the shelf built but unpainted for several years, so it was good to finally complete it! It’s a kitbashed Southern homebuilt woodchip hopper from a 70T coal hopper.
 
It started as an Atlas Trainman hopper. I removed the top chord and built the side extensions from sheet styrene. The toughest part was building the new ribs to include rivet patterns to match the lower ribs (though I tried to capture the rib extensions being slightly wider as they are on the prototype). According to the Southern Freight Car book, the strange panels on the sides were for some sort of shaker mechanism for helping to dislodge chips.
 
Now I just need an excuse to run a woodchip car on the St Charles Branch… 😊
 
Dan Bourque
 
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locked Re: Birmingham Terminal Station - how was it accessed by various railroads

Marv Clemons
 

Nice pic, Carl. What I'd give to again hear those throaty E's notching out.

Marv
locked Re: Birmingham Terminal Station - how was it accessed by various railroads

Carl Ardrey
 

No. 2 departing 1977.
CEA

On 10/11/2021 11:57 AM SouRwyFan via groups.io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote:
 
 
Thanks Marv,

I remember that track well during the 70's.
Interesting that it was called a "coach yard", maybe coach storage track? He he.

Best Regards, 
Rahl

locked Re: Birmingham Terminal Station - how was it accessed by various railroads

SouRwyFan
 

Thanks Marv,

I remember that track well during the 70's.
Interesting that it was called a "coach yard", maybe coach storage track? He he.

Best Regards, 
Rahl
locked Re: Birmingham Terminal Station - how was it accessed by various railroads

Marv Clemons
 

Rahl,

The "Southern Crescent" used the platform serving former station Tracks 9 & 10.  The former Frisco coach yard was a single track accessed by a hand throw switch on either end of Track 10.  It was later stub ended on the north end and used primarily as a private car track.

Marv
locked Re: Birmingham Terminal Station - how was it accessed by various railroads

SouRwyFan
 

So Marv,

I'm curious, it looks like from the aerial view the tracks that were left and used at the small station Southern built and used till Amtrak were actually originally Frisco's coach yard tracks when BT was still open?

Best Regards, 
Rahl
locked Re: Birmingham Terminal Station - how was it accessed by various railroads

Marv Clemons
 

Jack,

I meant to mention that signed copies of "Great Temple of Travel" are still available.  Let me know if interested.

Marv
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