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locked Re: K-4 Decals

Curt Fortenberry
 


There was a station list on the STMFC list and SN was an RFP location for Snyder. 

Curt Fortenberry


locked Re: K-4 Decals

Kyle Shannon
 

I should have added that on interchange, if a car was repacked elsewhere, it would have the location of the repack stenciled. So “Sn” could be, in theory, a location off the Southern.




On Monday, November 22, 2021, 10:14 AM, Kyle Shannon via groups.io <trainsr6900@...> wrote:

Usually those lettering are for the repack date of the bearing boxes when the cars are serviced. I believe the standard was a maximum of two years between repacks. 
For modeling, these dates should be within the past 2 years of your modeling date/era.

Somewhere, perhaps at the SRHA archive, I recalled seeing a list of initials for shops on the Southern, but not sure about Sn. Of course if a car was on interchange and due, they would repack and bill(?) to the owning railroad. The guys on here who are a bit more familiar with the operations side can probably explain it a bit better.

Kyle




On Monday, November 22, 2021, 12:05 AM, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

On K-4;s decals for the black Southern twin hopper is the following:  Sn 3 58.  Anyone know what this represents?.  I'm sure it's something for March of 1958 but not sure if Sn is a shop abbreviation and is it for a repair, update or repaint?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Re: K-4 Decals

Kyle Shannon
 

Usually those lettering are for the repack date of the bearing boxes when the cars are serviced. I believe the standard was a maximum of two years between repacks. 
For modeling, these dates should be within the past 2 years of your modeling date/era.

Somewhere, perhaps at the SRHA archive, I recalled seeing a list of initials for shops on the Southern, but not sure about Sn. Of course if a car was on interchange and due, they would repack and bill(?) to the owning railroad. The guys on here who are a bit more familiar with the operations side can probably explain it a bit better.

Kyle




On Monday, November 22, 2021, 12:05 AM, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

On K-4;s decals for the black Southern twin hopper is the following:  Sn 3 58.  Anyone know what this represents?.  I'm sure it's something for March of 1958 but not sure if Sn is a shop abbreviation and is it for a repair, update or repaint?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked K-4 Decals

George Courtney
 

On K-4;s decals for the black Southern twin hopper is the following:  Sn 3 58.  Anyone know what this represents?.  I'm sure it's something for March of 1958 but not sure if Sn is a shop abbreviation and is it for a repair, update or repaint?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked SOU Steam Builders Plates for Sale

Bill Schafer
 

A longtime friend, Doug Brown, is offering for sale much of his collection of builders plates. Among them are three from Southern Railway steam locomotives - one from P-class no. 1216 and both from Ts1-class 1483. Attached is his list showing prices and other builders plates he has for sale; also images of the plates. I thought this would be of interest because you don't see SOU builders plates from steam locomotives coming up for sale every day. 

--Bill


locked Southern Railway "Pullman Green No. 4"

George Eichelberger
 

Work on Southern office car OC-21 (NS 8) is proceeding at TVRM. Ryan Miller and the shop guys are starting to think toward the car’s exterior painting and lettering. They have the correct Southern lettering and placement drawings. There is a Southern “drift card” for Pullman Green No. 4 in the SRHA archives but I wonder if anyone else has any of the Southern paint samples. We had a project several years ago to have the drift cards we could locate scanned by one of the paint matching lasers to both determine what paints are available today and to document the color using present day techniques (RGB, CMYK, etc.)

If anyone has any Southern drift cards they could donate (we will compare colors on No.4s), or we could borrow, we will continue the testing and publish the result. Contact archives@....

Ike

PS If anyone is interesting in helping to restore and preserve an original Southern business car, now is the time to make a donation to TVRM for the project. If not a project at TVRM, get involved or donate something to somebody to preserve something of the Southern, or any other railroad.

A pair of outside swing hanger six-wheel trucks and other parts have been purchased and will be moved to Chattanooga soon. They are same type the Southern replaced the car’s Pullman trucks with. (The car is on Canadian built Pullman trucks. Hooking up the brakes will wait for the “new” trucks…said (?) to be the last pair produced by GSC.)


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

Charles Powell
 

Gary,
I lived by the Knoxville to Oakdale line of the Southern in Knox County until we moved to Chattanooga in 1964 when I was 10. I remember FMs mixed with other units on trains going to Knoxville. I can't say for sure if what I saw were the H24-66 Train Master or the smaller H16-44. That was long before I started learning locomotive details. What caught my eye was the difference in the radiator section design of the FM's. I suppose if they got to Knoxville they might have gone on to Ashville on occasion. 

Later after I was working with Southern I made a trip to Huntingburg, Indiana where I was surprised by the sight of a fair sized steel shop building. It was much more substantial than most small engine terminals on the Southern. The General Foreman told me that it was intended to be the primary maintenance shop for the FM fleet but plans changed and FM were assigned to Chattanooga Diesel Shop. 
Charlie 


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

David Eisman
 

Interesting to see the H-24s in Louisville as I thought that these CNO & TP locomotives would stay on the Cincinnati line.  Did the H 24s go to St Louis?
Thanks,
David 


On Nov 10, 2021, at 12:12 PM, WR <ratholer138@...> wrote:



I have this photo that I found online several years ago. Photographer unknown. I believe it was offered for sale on ebay.

Info with photo stated the location as Sunbright TN dated September 1955.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Walt Rieger

Covington, LA

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locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

WR
 

I have this photo that I found online several years ago. Photographer unknown. I believe it was offered for sale on ebay.

Info with photo stated the location as Sunbright TN dated September 1955.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Walt Rieger

Covington, LA


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

Gerald Robinson
 

Here is an example of a Southern FM H24-66 Train Master being sandwiched between to two EMD F "A" units on the CNO&TP main line at Sunbright, Tenn. probably in the 1950s (green paint scheme) from the Tom Daspit collection.

Gerald Robinson





-----Original Message-----
From: Jim King <jimking3@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2021 10:24 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] FM H24-66 Train Masters

These are 2 images from ebay that I can readily access from my laptop … I have a 616 neg taken by the late Jack Hahn of an H24 in Louisville where they seemed to congregate, such as the roster shot under the coaling tower.  While the 2nd shot isn’t “on the road”, it is in an SD24 consist that appears to be in a yard.  Highly unlikely they ventured into Asheville but never say never!
 
I’ve yet to see a pic of an H24-66 that’s not in the middle of a consist.  The smaller H16-44s were used regularly on locals, sometimes alone, sometimes with a Geep or F.  Pix of those I’ve found indicate they ran in Indiana, KY and TN so I suspect FMs were grouped together on just a couple of divisions for maintenance reasons.
 
Here’s a link to Tom Daspit’s website … he shows pix of 6300-6304 plus a lot of H16s in case you have some of those.
 
 
Jim King
 


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

George Eichelberger
 

There is still a lot of research to be done for the SRHA SR diesel book on the FMs but from what I have learned so far, the consists we see them operating in are because of their MU and brake systems. The FMs were apparently the reason the F units had the MU connection up beside the end doors. Even with longer MU cables the were one of the few types that could operate with the FMs.

As I said, more research is needed (SRHA has the data) but we can see the progression of the different brake systems and how they changed as different types came and went from the roster. Some locos were modified, check out photos of the RS-2s and look at the MU connections and you’ll see what I mean.

The correspondence we see before units were ordered sometimes explains why certain MU/braking/sanding operations could change.

Ike


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

Jim King
 

These are 2 images from ebay that I can readily access from my laptop … I have a 616 neg taken by the late Jack Hahn of an H24 in Louisville where they seemed to congregate, such as the roster shot under the coaling tower.  While the 2nd shot isn’t “on the road”, it is in an SD24 consist that appears to be in a yard.  Highly unlikely they ventured into Asheville but never say never!

 

I’ve yet to see a pic of an H24-66 that’s not in the middle of a consist.  The smaller H16-44s were used regularly on locals, sometimes alone, sometimes with a Geep or F.  Pix of those I’ve found indicate they ran in Indiana, KY and TN so I suspect FMs were grouped together on just a couple of divisions for maintenance reasons.

 

Here’s a link to Tom Daspit’s website … he shows pix of 6300-6304 plus a lot of H16s in case you have some of those.

 

http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/fm/fm.html

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

C J Wyatt
 

Well, I have a mental picture. Unfortunately, I did not have a camera with me the times when I saw them (and I would have needed a telephoto lens anyhow). Circa '62 and on to the demise of the FM's, I did see and hear them occasionally on Southern Railway's Chattanooga-Atlanta line which ran by my school's property. Like most accounts from that time, they were in consist with SD24's. I had a reputation of looking out of the window rather than paying attention when a train came by.

Jack Wyatt


On Tuesday, November 9, 2021, 03:45:40 PM EST, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:


Gary:

Personally, I have seen almost no pictures, color or otherwise, of SOU TrainMasters in service on road freights. Shots of them in engine terminals are more common.  

I was recently looking through scans of slides coming to the SRHA Archives from the late J. David Ingles estate and was surprised to find this interesting photo from December 1956 of a freight heading north on the CNO&TP at Boyce, Tenn. It is what I have heard called a “CNO&TP sandwich”, where SOU replaced two B-units with one or two TrainMasters. I also understand that once the SD24s arrived, SOU ran a couple TrainMasters between two SD24s on through freights. 

This doesn’t really answer your questions; I just thought the photo was cool. I’d also be interested to hear what answers others on this list can offer to your questions.

—Bill



On Nov 9, 2021, at 15:26, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Gentle beings

I recently acquired a Division Point SRR FM H24-66 Train Master model with the correct low end platforms.  The Withers Diesel book indicates that SRR acquired them to run between EMD F-units on the CNO&TP.  Am I correct in assuming that this was an early experiment in fuel saving?  Two 2400 hp Train Masters could replace three 1500 hp F b units.

Further questions:  On what other assignments were these units used?  Did they routinely operate as single units or in multiple with each other?  Did they stray off the CNO&TP to Atlanta, Birmingham, or Asheville?

Thanks in advance.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

Robert Hanson
 

I've seen only one or two other photos and both showed the TM used as in the photo - one TM sandwiched between to EMDF units.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Schafer <bill4501@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Nov 9, 2021 3:45 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] FM H24-66 Train Masters

Gary:

Personally, I have seen almost no pictures, color or otherwise, of SOU TrainMasters in service on road freights. Shots of them in engine terminals are more common.  

I was recently looking through scans of slides coming to the SRHA Archives from the late J. David Ingles estate and was surprised to find this interesting photo from December 1956 of a freight heading north on the CNO&TP at Boyce, Tenn. It is what I have heard called a “CNO&TP sandwich”, where SOU replaced two B-units with one or two TrainMasters. I also understand that once the SD24s arrived, SOU ran a couple TrainMasters between two SD24s on through freights. 

This doesn’t really answer your questions; I just thought the photo was cool. I’d also be interested to hear what answers others on this list can offer to your questions.

—Bill



On Nov 9, 2021, at 15:26, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Gentle beings

I recently acquired a Division Point SRR FM H24-66 Train Master model with the correct low end platforms.  The Withers Diesel book indicates that SRR acquired them to run between EMD F-units on the CNO&TP.  Am I correct in assuming that this was an early experiment in fuel saving?  Two 2400 hp Train Masters could replace three 1500 hp F b units.

Further questions:  On what other assignments were these units used?  Did they routinely operate as single units or in multiple with each other?  Did they stray off the CNO&TP to Atlanta, Birmingham, or Asheville?

Thanks in advance.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

Gary Bechdol
 

Thanks, Bill.

That's the only photo I've seen of a Train Master on the road.

Gary

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 3:45 PM Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:
Gary:

Personally, I have seen almost no pictures, color or otherwise, of SOU TrainMasters in service on road freights. Shots of them in engine terminals are more common.  

I was recently looking through scans of slides coming to the SRHA Archives from the late J. David Ingles estate and was surprised to find this interesting photo from December 1956 of a freight heading north on the CNO&TP at Boyce, Tenn. It is what I have heard called a “CNO&TP sandwich”, where SOU replaced two B-units with one or two TrainMasters. I also understand that once the SD24s arrived, SOU ran a couple TrainMasters between two SD24s on through freights. 

This doesn’t really answer your questions; I just thought the photo was cool. I’d also be interested to hear what answers others on this list can offer to your questions.

—Bill



On Nov 9, 2021, at 15:26, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Gentle beings

I recently acquired a Division Point SRR FM H24-66 Train Master model with the correct low end platforms.  The Withers Diesel book indicates that SRR acquired them to run between EMD F-units on the CNO&TP.  Am I correct in assuming that this was an early experiment in fuel saving?  Two 2400 hp Train Masters could replace three 1500 hp F b units.

Further questions:  On what other assignments were these units used?  Did they routinely operate as single units or in multiple with each other?  Did they stray off the CNO&TP to Atlanta, Birmingham, or Asheville?

Thanks in advance.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


locked Re: FM H24-66 Train Masters

Bill Schafer
 

Gary:

Personally, I have seen almost no pictures, color or otherwise, of SOU TrainMasters in service on road freights. Shots of them in engine terminals are more common.  

I was recently looking through scans of slides coming to the SRHA Archives from the late J. David Ingles estate and was surprised to find this interesting photo from December 1956 of a freight heading north on the CNO&TP at Boyce, Tenn. It is what I have heard called a “CNO&TP sandwich”, where SOU replaced two B-units with one or two TrainMasters. I also understand that once the SD24s arrived, SOU ran a couple TrainMasters between two SD24s on through freights. 

This doesn’t really answer your questions; I just thought the photo was cool. I’d also be interested to hear what answers others on this list can offer to your questions.

—Bill



On Nov 9, 2021, at 15:26, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Gentle beings

I recently acquired a Division Point SRR FM H24-66 Train Master model with the correct low end platforms.  The Withers Diesel book indicates that SRR acquired them to run between EMD F-units on the CNO&TP.  Am I correct in assuming that this was an early experiment in fuel saving?  Two 2400 hp Train Masters could replace three 1500 hp F b units.

Further questions:  On what other assignments were these units used?  Did they routinely operate as single units or in multiple with each other?  Did they stray off the CNO&TP to Atlanta, Birmingham, or Asheville?

Thanks in advance.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


locked FM H24-66 Train Masters

Gary Bechdol
 

Gentle beings

I recently acquired a Division Point SRR FM H24-66 Train Master model with the correct low end platforms.  The Withers Diesel book indicates that SRR acquired them to run between EMD F-units on the CNO&TP.  Am I correct in assuming that this was an early experiment in fuel saving?  Two 2400 hp Train Masters could replace three 1500 hp F b units.

Further questions:  On what other assignments were these units used?  Did they routinely operate as single units or in multiple with each other?  Did they stray off the CNO&TP to Atlanta, Birmingham, or Asheville?

Thanks in advance.

Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


locked Re: Empty refrigerator car return instructions - 1955

George Eichelberger
 

Andy:

Attached…

Ike



On Nov 7, 2021, at 10:36 PM, aramsay18 <aramsay37@...> wrote:

Hello Ike

Please send pages 2 and 3

Thanks in advance

Best Regards from Berryville VA
Andy Ramsay 


On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 5:46 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
From the SRHA archives, Hayne Shop files, I've attached the first of three-page of routing instructions for empty refrigerator cars for the Southern Rwy. in 1955. (I will forward or post Pgs 2 and 3 if there is any interest.)

While it only refers to empty cars on the Southern, it would be very interesting to find/see similar documents for other roads, particularly the ACL, SAL, L&N, FEC and other eastern or southeastern roads. Is anyone aware of such documentation?

Ike

PS Several of us will be working in the archives Mon-Wed in advance of the November work session. If anyone is in the area those days, stop by the archive building on Turntable Road at TVRM. (Send me an email archives@... beforehand to make sure plans have not changed.)




locked Re: Empty refrigerator car return instructions - 1955

aramsay18
 

Hello Ike

Please send pages 2 and 3

Thanks in advance

Best Regards from Berryville VA
Andy Ramsay 


On Sun, Nov 7, 2021, 5:46 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
From the SRHA archives, Hayne Shop files, I've attached the first of three-page of routing instructions for empty refrigerator cars for the Southern Rwy. in 1955. (I will forward or post Pgs 2 and 3 if there is any interest.)

While it only refers to empty cars on the Southern, it would be very interesting to find/see similar documents for other roads, particularly the ACL, SAL, L&N, FEC and other eastern or southeastern roads. Is anyone aware of such documentation?

Ike

PS Several of us will be working in the archives Mon-Wed in advance of the November work session. If anyone is in the area those days, stop by the archive building on Turntable Road at TVRM. (Send me an email archives@... beforehand to make sure plans have not changed.)


locked Re: 44 Tonner painting and lettering

Allen Cain
 

I would appreciate getting the same info!

Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO
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Allen Cain
Chem-Dry of Brentwood
Chem-Dry of Franklin
Mr. B's Chem-Dry
Bluff City Chem-Dry
Chem-Dry of De Soto County
Divisions of New Horizons Enterprises Inc

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale

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