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locked Early diesel switcher livery

Evan Whatley
 

Hello all, looking to have HO scale decals made for the early DS paint scheme. To my knowledge these are not available commercialy. So I have a few assumptions and a few questions for the group to help get things right.

-When the medialian changed from 54" to 30" in 1945, it appears the change also incorporated the post-war medialian. Is this correct? Or was there a 54" post war and vice versa?

-Road name, cab side numbers, and hood end numbers were all 9" tall. Cab end numbers, numbers under folding gangways, and sub-road initials were all 4" tall. Correct?

-Unsure how wide the frame and hood stripes are. Thinking 4" for the frame and 2" for the hood stripes?

-Alco and Baldwin switchers had small numberboards, how tall and wide were these?

-Finally it seems all the lettering and stripes were done in silver/aluminum paint. While the lighted number boards and 2" end stripes (1945+) were in white. Is this correct?

Thanks all, look forward to the responses.
--
-Evan Whatley


locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Mike, back in February I explained to the Modeling The Southern list (a sublist of this list) how I kitbashed an old Walthers/Heljan Thrall gon into a Greenville.   It is titled Workbench Wednesday #5.  Frankly, it's probably easier to scratchbuild one.

Here's some useful dimensions taken off SOU 66087:

The ribs are 3.25" wide by 5" deep, and they are 6.5" wide over the flanges.  The top chord is made from 6x8 tube, and the corner posts are 4x8.  The wide panels at the ends are 52" wide while the rest are 34.75" plus or minus .125".  The depth of the drop in the sidesill is 8".  The sides are 66" tall at the corners (from the top of the chord).

The side panel widths are from rib center to rib center, except the endmost panels which are rib center to the inside face of the corner post.

The ends are 120" wide over the corner posts and 126" over the top chord.  They are made from a Pullman-style "sorta sine wave" end with the swells 12" apart.  The ladders are 20" wide with a nominal 13" rung spacing.  They have drop grabs.  The brake wheel's center is set in 45" from the outside of the corner post.

Should get you started.


Scott Chatfield


locked Auto Parts Cars for Ford

George Eichelberger
 

Although I have no idea what some of the items Ford wanted installed in the 800 86' auto parts cars shown on the attached are, taken together the three pages give an idea of how closely the railroads worked together when dealing with the auto companies. This was a large project, 800 cars for 22 railroads led by the N&W. (As many programs were.)

Later correspondence in this same SRHA archives file discusses the removal of the cars' roof walks. That work was done in Buffalo with each railroad having the option to receive the scrap metal, a dollar credit for the scrap sold in Buffalo or the running boards removed and returned. Southern asked that the parts be sent to Hayne Shop for use as grating. (I think (!) I have seen some roof walk material used as walkways on bridges.)

Ike


locked Chemicals in aluminum covered hoppers and gondolas

George Eichelberger
 


From the SRHA Archives:

Both Alcoa and Reynolds Aluminum maintained lists of commodities that could be carried in freight cars made with their aluminum without voiding the warranties. Here (attached) is an example of correspondence on the subject between the aluminum companies and the Southern Railroad.(Certainly not something railfans would pay much attention to.)

Ike




locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

Mike K <mkingery@...>
 

Ike,

Thanks for the info.  I will work from my photos and scale it from those and known dimensions.

Mike


locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

George Eichelberger
 

Southern 70-T 52’-6” high side gons were built on New Car Program (NCP) 149 by Greenville Steel Car as their Lot 1101 in 1975. The General Arrangement drawing is Greenville 37115, stencil drawing is GSC 37134.

By 1975, the Southern was re-drawing or tracing very few drawings. Because of that, there do not appear to be any SR produced “SF” prefix drawings for these cars. Although the SRHA archives contain virtually all of the SF series and carbuilders’ General Arrangement, Brake and Stencil drawings, not all of the carbuilder drawings, including these, have been scanned.

We scanned nearly 200 large format drawings on the new ($7,000) scanner at this weekend’s work session. Our ability to organize and scan is limited by the number of people that come to the work sessions. They are the third weekend (Fri & Sat) of every month at the SRHA/L&NHS/TVRM archives in Chattanooga.

Ike


On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Mike K <mkingery@...> wrote:

I would like to create a model of a 1975 vintage Greenville Steel Car Gondola.  Number series 66090-66699, AAR Type E534.  Some are still in use for MW service and have been seen around my home area.  What are good resources for basic dimensional details to help me get the model as reasonably correct as possible?  Something like a single page drawing with overall dimensions, maybe rib placement, etc.  Published books, SHRA archives in Chattanooga, elsewhere?

I am working toward 3D design and printing of this car and possibly future cars for my HO scale layout.

Thanks for any ideas.

Mike Kingery
Madison, AL


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

James Walton
 

Thanks Jack!


On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 01:02 C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
James, ETT's don't usually give the interchange points for revenue and routing purposes, but they give crossings and junctions. From 9/29/1946 ETT.

Jack

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 11:51:32 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


Hi Jack, would that ETT happen to mention where interchanges were on the division?

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 22:36 C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Ike, sorry that I can't make it. Maybe in a few months.

Jack

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 10:21:54 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

I agree that ETTs do not tell much about train consists but quantity, running times, how long they were in yards, not to mention the NA track profile may provide a hint. Although I do not know if/how many we have that cover the NA, we have been scanning quite a few Dispatcher’s Train Sheets lately. Those, plus whatever info we have on Norris and DeButts yards and road diesel assignments would help fill in the details.

Come to the work session this weekend!

Ike



On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike, but ETT's will not tell you the classification of traffic and the blocking of trains. I do have a 1946 Birmingham ETT and it does look like a series of no. 54's eastbound could have handled through traffic from Sheffield to Atlanta. The other direction is a bit ambiguous because Southern did not have scheduled westbound through freights in the ETT between Austell and Birmingham. In the later Southern years the traffic between Memphis and Atlanta was handled via Birmingham However the Feb 1, 1929 freight schedules showed it via. Chattanooga. I think that I will vote with you about via Chattanooga. 

Jack Wyatt 


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:59:13 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.

<Feb 1 1929 Southern Rwy between Atlanta and Memphis.JPG>


locked 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

Mike K <mkingery@...>
 

I would like to create a model of a 1975 vintage Greenville Steel Car Gondola.  Number series 66090-66699, AAR Type E534.  Some are still in use for MW service and have been seen around my home area.  What are good resources for basic dimensional details to help me get the model as reasonably correct as possible?  Something like a single page drawing with overall dimensions, maybe rib placement, etc.  Published books, SHRA archives in Chattanooga, elsewhere?

I am working toward 3D design and printing of this car and possibly future cars for my HO scale layout.

Thanks for any ideas.

Mike Kingery
Madison, AL


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

George Courtney
 

Fwiw one of Southern's 1950's coal trains off their Appalachia Division carried the nickname "The Birmingham Special".  This from an Ed Wolfe book.  I recall seeing solid coal trains running through Knoxville.  I don't know but suspect that would be a preferred route rather than via Asheville down Saluda to the Washington-Atlanta main.  

George Courtney


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

C J Wyatt
 

James, ETT's don't usually give the interchange points for revenue and routing purposes, but they give crossings and junctions. From 9/29/1946 ETT.

Jack

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 11:51:32 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


Hi Jack, would that ETT happen to mention where interchanges were on the division?

On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 22:36 C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Ike, sorry that I can't make it. Maybe in a few months.

Jack

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 10:21:54 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

I agree that ETTs do not tell much about train consists but quantity, running times, how long they were in yards, not to mention the NA track profile may provide a hint. Although I do not know if/how many we have that cover the NA, we have been scanning quite a few Dispatcher’s Train Sheets lately. Those, plus whatever info we have on Norris and DeButts yards and road diesel assignments would help fill in the details.

Come to the work session this weekend!

Ike



On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike, but ETT's will not tell you the classification of traffic and the blocking of trains. I do have a 1946 Birmingham ETT and it does look like a series of no. 54's eastbound could have handled through traffic from Sheffield to Atlanta. The other direction is a bit ambiguous because Southern did not have scheduled westbound through freights in the ETT between Austell and Birmingham. In the later Southern years the traffic between Memphis and Atlanta was handled via Birmingham However the Feb 1, 1929 freight schedules showed it via. Chattanooga. I think that I will vote with you about via Chattanooga. 

Jack Wyatt 


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:59:13 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.

<Feb 1 1929 Southern Rwy between Atlanta and Memphis.JPG>


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

James Walton
 

Hi Jack, would that ETT happen to mention where interchanges were on the division?


On Mon, Dec 13, 2021, 22:36 C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
Ike, sorry that I can't make it. Maybe in a few months.

Jack

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 10:21:54 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

I agree that ETTs do not tell much about train consists but quantity, running times, how long they were in yards, not to mention the NA track profile may provide a hint. Although I do not know if/how many we have that cover the NA, we have been scanning quite a few Dispatcher’s Train Sheets lately. Those, plus whatever info we have on Norris and DeButts yards and road diesel assignments would help fill in the details.

Come to the work session this weekend!

Ike



On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike, but ETT's will not tell you the classification of traffic and the blocking of trains. I do have a 1946 Birmingham ETT and it does look like a series of no. 54's eastbound could have handled through traffic from Sheffield to Atlanta. The other direction is a bit ambiguous because Southern did not have scheduled westbound through freights in the ETT between Austell and Birmingham. In the later Southern years the traffic between Memphis and Atlanta was handled via Birmingham However the Feb 1, 1929 freight schedules showed it via. Chattanooga. I think that I will vote with you about via Chattanooga. 

Jack Wyatt 


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:59:13 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.

<Feb 1 1929 Southern Rwy between Atlanta and Memphis.JPG>


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

C J Wyatt
 

Ike, sorry that I can't make it. Maybe in a few months.

Jack

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 10:21:54 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

I agree that ETTs do not tell much about train consists but quantity, running times, how long they were in yards, not to mention the NA track profile may provide a hint. Although I do not know if/how many we have that cover the NA, we have been scanning quite a few Dispatcher’s Train Sheets lately. Those, plus whatever info we have on Norris and DeButts yards and road diesel assignments would help fill in the details.

Come to the work session this weekend!

Ike



On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike, but ETT's will not tell you the classification of traffic and the blocking of trains. I do have a 1946 Birmingham ETT and it does look like a series of no. 54's eastbound could have handled through traffic from Sheffield to Atlanta. The other direction is a bit ambiguous because Southern did not have scheduled westbound through freights in the ETT between Austell and Birmingham. In the later Southern years the traffic between Memphis and Atlanta was handled via Birmingham However the Feb 1, 1929 freight schedules showed it via. Chattanooga. I think that I will vote with you about via Chattanooga. 

Jack Wyatt 


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:59:13 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.

<Feb 1 1929 Southern Rwy between Atlanta and Memphis.JPG>


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

George Eichelberger
 

Jack:

I agree that ETTs do not tell much about train consists but quantity, running times, how long they were in yards, not to mention the NA track profile may provide a hint. Although I do not know if/how many we have that cover the NA, we have been scanning quite a few Dispatcher’s Train Sheets lately. Those, plus whatever info we have on Norris and DeButts yards and road diesel assignments would help fill in the details.

Come to the work session this weekend!

Ike



On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Thanks Ike, but ETT's will not tell you the classification of traffic and the blocking of trains. I do have a 1946 Birmingham ETT and it does look like a series of no. 54's eastbound could have handled through traffic from Sheffield to Atlanta. The other direction is a bit ambiguous because Southern did not have scheduled westbound through freights in the ETT between Austell and Birmingham. In the later Southern years the traffic between Memphis and Atlanta was handled via Birmingham However the Feb 1, 1929 freight schedules showed it via. Chattanooga. I think that I will vote with you about via Chattanooga. 

Jack Wyatt 


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:59:13 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.

<Feb 1 1929 Southern Rwy between Atlanta and Memphis.JPG>


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

C J Wyatt
 

Thanks Ike, but ETT's will not tell you the classification of traffic and the blocking of trains. I do have a 1946 Birmingham ETT and it does look like a series of no. 54's eastbound could have handled through traffic from Sheffield to Atlanta. The other direction is a bit ambiguous because Southern did not have scheduled westbound through freights in the ETT between Austell and Birmingham. In the later Southern years the traffic between Memphis and Atlanta was handled via Birmingham However the Feb 1, 1929 freight schedules showed it via. Chattanooga. I think that I will vote with you about via Chattanooga. 

Jack Wyatt 


On Monday, December 13, 2021, 08:59:13 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

George Eichelberger
 

Jack:

Someone can check the ETTs at the archives this weekend (Fri & Sat) but I suspect most Atl-Mem traffic went via Chattanooga. Between coal traffic and operations on the NA, I cannot see that as the major route?

Ike


On Dec 11, 2021, at 10:18 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

C J Wyatt
 

Aidrian,

Excellent summary, Aidrian.

I agree about the tank car business. Though mostly single car, my impression was that the Birmingham Division had a good variety. 

One small part of the business, but something that was interesting, was the occasional one or few cars of livestock from Western roads, such as ATSF, but I have seen MKT and MP, too.

Regarding routing of N&W coal, generally the shipper under regulation specified the route. If a shipper left the route open, then the originating road could fill in the route on the bill of lading. I imagine some shippers thought that service via Lynchburg VA would be better.

Anniston was quite an industrial area with foundries, a Monsato Chemical plant making the now infamous PCBs, a US Pipe and Foundry plant making excelsior sewer pipes, and textile manufacturing among other things.

Basically, the area sat on limestone, so that commodity did not need to be hauled very far.

Jack Wyatt

On Monday, December 13, 2021, 04:16:03 PM EST, Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <abridgemansutton@...> wrote:


When just about everything went by rail your "anything and everything" is spot on, but there were some local characteristics.  I have notes here and there, but they aren't well indexed so this is a little bit of a brain dump rather than a carefully considered and edited report

  • Coal and ore for the Birmingham iron and steel industry came from mines nearby...at least most of it. A fair amount of this traffic originated from mines in the Leeds area and besides through-freights to Atlanta, there were locals serving intermediate places such as Leeds and Anniston. 
  • Despite there being excellent coking coal in the region, some grades of coal came from further afield - there's  one photo taken near Weems, I think by Frank Ardrey,  which shows loaded N&W hoppers.westbound on the Birmingham division. I don't know whether this was the usual routing (I'd be inclined to think routing via Bristol and Chattanooga might be more sensible) , but they are definitely visible in at least one photo. 
  • Limestone traffic doesn't seem to have been especially significant on this part of the system though I am open to correction. It had t come from somewhere, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence for this yet
  • Scrap iron is used in steel making - as much as 20-25%  of the charge in steel making will be ferrous scrap so there would have been scrap metal traffic.   
  • Birmingham was also a major interchange point so general freight going for onward movement on IC and Frisco services, including fruit, vegetables and other perishables

  • Eastbound traffic would have included empties heading back to the mines 
  • Loads would include iron and steel products obviously, including an awful lot of cast iron pipe was shipped. 
  • Domestic and industrial coal...lots of it.  Just about everyone burned coal for heating, washing and cooking and some towns still had coal gas plants rather than natural gas  - Atlanta was connected to natural gas by the 1930s but many towns further away had to wait much longer until the pipeline reached them
  • Tank cars carrying oil products show up regularly, often just a few cars rather than solid block trains as might have been seen during the war. Sinclair cars show up regularly - cars would be empty westbound, loaded eastbound 
  • General trafiic and reefers off the IC and Frisco connections. Something to look out for might be lumber traffic from the Pacific NW due to the postwar construction boom, which resulted in cars like NP boxcars turing up in all sorts of places. 

Aidrian




 


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton
 

When just about everything went by rail your "anything and everything" is spot on, but there were some local characteristics.  I have notes here and there, but they aren't well indexed so this is a little bit of a brain dump rather than a carefully considered and edited report

  • Coal and ore for the Birmingham iron and steel industry came from mines nearby...at least most of it. A fair amount of this traffic originated from mines in the Leeds area and besides through-freights to Atlanta, there were locals serving intermediate places such as Leeds and Anniston. 
  • Despite there being excellent coking coal in the region, some grades of coal came from further afield - there's  one photo taken near Weems, I think by Frank Ardrey,  which shows loaded N&W hoppers.westbound on the Birmingham division. I don't know whether this was the usual routing (I'd be inclined to think routing via Bristol and Chattanooga might be more sensible) , but they are definitely visible in at least one photo. 
  • Limestone traffic doesn't seem to have been especially significant on this part of the system though I am open to correction. It had t come from somewhere, but I haven't seen a lot of evidence for this yet
  • Scrap iron is used in steel making - as much as 20-25%  of the charge in steel making will be ferrous scrap so there would have been scrap metal traffic.   
  • Birmingham was also a major interchange point so general freight going for onward movement on IC and Frisco services, including fruit, vegetables and other perishables

  • Eastbound traffic would have included empties heading back to the mines 
  • Loads would include iron and steel products obviously, including an awful lot of cast iron pipe was shipped. 
  • Domestic and industrial coal...lots of it.  Just about everyone burned coal for heating, washing and cooking and some towns still had coal gas plants rather than natural gas  - Atlanta was connected to natural gas by the 1930s but many towns further away had to wait much longer until the pipeline reached them
  • Tank cars carrying oil products show up regularly, often just a few cars rather than solid block trains as might have been seen during the war. Sinclair cars show up regularly - cars would be empty westbound, loaded eastbound 
  • General trafiic and reefers off the IC and Frisco connections. Something to look out for might be lumber traffic from the Pacific NW due to the postwar construction boom, which resulted in cars like NP boxcars turing up in all sorts of places. 

Aidrian




 


locked Re: Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

C J Wyatt
 

One routing that I am curious about is how traffic went during that period between Atlanta and Memphis. Was it via Birmingham or via Chattanooga?

Jack Wyatt

On Thursday, December 9, 2021, 01:36:01 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.


locked Atlanta-Bham Freight Traffic in the 40s-50s

James Walton
 

I already suspect the answer to this is "anything and everything," considering Atlanta and Bham were massive industrial centers. I suspect the Southern was similar to many railroads in that they brought coal and coke to the steel mills in Bham.


locked Re: Heavy Weight NO&NE 5400

Ed Burnett
 

Wow! Donnie, thanks for posting this! -Ed Burnett, Lynchburg, VIRGINIA

On 11/29/2021 7:51 PM Donnie Dixon <rf4cnam69@...> wrote:


Kevin

Hope this helps

Donnie Dixon

On 11/29/2021 6:04 PM, Kevin von der Lippe wrote:

Does anyone know of a list of all heavyweight Pullman sleepers acquired by the Southern in 1948 as part of the Pullman antitrust case settlement — and which sleepers were assigned to which subsidiary?

I have seen a photo of NO&NE 5400, a heavyweight sleeper that appears to be a 10 section - 2 compartment - 1 drawing room sleeper (probably a “Lake” series car) but the name is not visible in the photo and I would like a little bit more of its history.

Thanks,

Kevin von der Lippe
Oak Ridge, NC

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