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locked Re: Southern 318202

Gerhard Anderson
 

My Pleasure.

On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:29 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:


Another great SR photo thanks for sharing 
Fenton 

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locked Re: Southern 318202

O Fenton Wells
 


Another great SR photo thanks for sharing 
Fenton 

On Jan 24, 2022, at 7:23 PM, Gerhard Anderson <gerharda@...> wrote:

Southern 318202  1775 cuft. Gondola    Seaboard System Moncrief Yard.   Jacksonville Florida  November 1985  Gerhard  Anderson Photo.


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Gerhard Anderson
 

Southern 318202  1775 cuft. Gondola    Seaboard System Moncrief Yard.   Jacksonville Florida  November 1985  Gerhard  Anderson Photo.


locked Re: Southern Railway 3930

Gerhard Anderson
 

Mark , No Sir, unfortunately I do not. 

On Jan 24, 2022, at 3:27 PM, MHolley via groups.io <mholley07@...> wrote:

Gerhard,

I am working on an N scale U23B as we speak. I believe I will use this number, mainly because it has AGS marks. Do you have any more photos of this unit? I really need a top shot.

Mark


locked Re: McDonough Wood Yard.

Carl Ardrey
 

Couldn't pull 'em until they were all loaded, or they wised up and started loading from switch end.

On 01/24/2022 3:44 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:


So when they did load from end to switch, you just wouldn’t pull the track til all were full or did the woodyards start loading from the switch?

Trying to plan for the layout. 

Jason Greene 

On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:

Typical. Woodyards always wanted to load from end of track towards switch. Eventually, instructions were not to move partial loads because of the instability of the wood until fully loaded. 
CEA


locked Re: McDonough Wood Yard.

Jason Greene
 

So when they did load from end to switch, you just wouldn’t pull the track til all were full or did the woodyards start loading from the switch?

Trying to plan for the layout. 

Jason Greene 

On Jan 24, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:


Typical. Woodyards always wanted to load from end of track towards switch. Eventually, instructions were not to move partial loads because of the instability of the wood until fully loaded. 
CEA
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locked Re: McDonough Wood Yard.

Carl Ardrey
 

Typical. Woodyards always wanted to load from end of track towards switch. Eventually, instructions were not to move partial loads because of the instability of the wood until fully loaded. 
CEA

On 01/24/2022 1:46 PM Gerhard Anderson <gerharda@...> wrote:


McDonough Wood Yard.  McDonough Georgia  October 1997   Gerhard Anderson Photo


locked Re: Southern Railway 3930

O Fenton Wells
 

Another nice shot Gerhard, thanks for sharing
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 3:27 PM MHolley via groups.io <mholley07=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Gerhard,

I am working on an N scale U23B as we speak. I believe I will use this number, mainly because it has AGS marks. Do you have any more photos of this unit? I really need a top shot.

Mark



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locked Re: McDonough Wood Yard.

O Fenton Wells
 

Nice shot Gerhard, pulpwood it is
Fenton

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 3:04 PM Gerhard Anderson <gerharda@...> wrote:
McDonough Wood Yard.  McDonough Georgia  October 1997   Gerhard Anderson Photo



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locked Re: Southern Railway 3930

MHolley
 

Gerhard,

I am working on an N scale U23B as we speak. I believe I will use this number, mainly because it has AGS marks. Do you have any more photos of this unit? I really need a top shot.

Mark


locked Southern Railway 3930

Gerhard Anderson
 

Southern Railway 3930  U23B  Built 5-74  Foley Florida  April 18 1976  Gerhard Anderson Photo. 


locked McDonough Wood Yard.

Gerhard Anderson
 

McDonough Wood Yard.  McDonough Georgia  October 1997   Gerhard Anderson Photo


locked Re: Steel "boxes" on Southern transfer cabs

David Carpenter
 

Great find, Ike! I have wondered for a long while how many transfer cabooses Southern had and why the numbers were 1-XX and then 7XXX (as far as I could guess).

David

On Jan 23, 2022, at 8:53 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

With so much uncatalogued material in the SRHA archives, in many cases, it is difficult to research a particular question. One question I have had is when did the Southern change the wooden “boxes” on its transfer cabs from wood to steel. The transfer cabs were a peculiar case because they were on the accounts of the terminals where they were assigned and seldom changed locations so “system” records on them are unusual.

Here is an example of simply finding something among one of the Hayne Shop files….

Ike

PS More shortly but plan to come to the February SRHA archives work session. The L&NHS will have a session the same weekend, Fri. Feb 18th and Sat Feb 19th. In addition to the usual archives projects, we will be extending the building’s “LAN” wiring to the L&NHS archives area and adding connections for security cameras and outlets in the SRHA rooms. It is a good opportunity for anyopne to learn something, or lend their expertise, about Ethernet networks.

Also (!): While the date is not firm, but expected to be in September, the SRHA and L&NHS conventions will be together at TVRM. We will ask the TN and GA NMRA regions to participate and would like to organize a “RPM” session at the same time. If anyone is interesting in helping, or has comments or questions, send an email to archives@....

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locked Steel "boxes" on Southern transfer cabs

George Eichelberger
 

With so much uncatalogued material in the SRHA archives, in many cases, it is difficult to research a particular question. One question I have had is when did the Southern change the wooden “boxes” on its transfer cabs from wood to steel. The transfer cabs were a peculiar case because they were on the accounts of the terminals where they were assigned and seldom changed locations so “system” records on them are unusual.

Here is an example of simply finding something among one of the Hayne Shop files….

Ike

PS More shortly but plan to come to the February SRHA archives work session. The L&NHS will have a session the same weekend, Fri. Feb 18th and Sat Feb 19th. In addition to the usual archives projects, we will be extending the building’s “LAN” wiring to the L&NHS archives area and adding connections for security cameras and outlets in the SRHA rooms. It is a good opportunity for anyopne to learn something, or lend their expertise, about Ethernet networks.

Also (!): While the date is not firm, but expected to be in September, the SRHA and L&NHS conventions will be together at TVRM. We will ask the TN and GA NMRA regions to participate and would like to organize a “RPM” session at the same time. If anyone is interesting in helping, or has comments or questions, send an email to archives@....






locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

Jason Greene
 

Carloading off the Murphy branch is crazy! That’s about 35 cars a day just from the two paper mills listed. Plus the empty pulpwood flats and any additional traffic going to Asheville. When did the rock quarry around Andrews open? Where there any other major traffic producers?

Jason Greene 

On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:34 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Here, from 1954, is a list of some of the biggest shippers on the Southern, what box cars they prefer to load and how many loads per week. 

This is the kind of material "From the Archives" we can include in the "Southern News Bulletin" to be available to SRHA members the months TIES is not published.

Ike


locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

Matt Bumgarner
 

Thanks for posting that... It is stunning to see that 200 carloads per week were loaded out of the Hickory/C&N-W territory.  All gone now...

Matt Bumgarner

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 11:34 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Here, from 1954, is a list of some of the biggest shippers on the Southern, what box cars they prefer to load and how many loads per week. 

This is the kind of material "From the Archives" we can include in the "Southern News Bulletin" to be available to SRHA members the months TIES is not published.

Ike


locked Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

George Eichelberger
 

Here, from 1954, is a list of some of the biggest shippers on the Southern, what box cars they prefer to load and how many loads per week. 

This is the kind of material "From the Archives" we can include in the "Southern News Bulletin" to be available to SRHA members the months TIES is not published.

Ike


locked Re: Coal for the old Duke Power's Buck Steam Plant

C J Wyatt
 

Though it is a little bit before George's time period and as we say today during supply chain disruptions, I have a Conductor's Train Book from late 1943 - early 1944 for a conductor based in Asheville, I have several instances for when he operated from Asheville to Salisbury of having coal in C&O and Clinchfield hoppers (plus a few L&N ones) destined to Salisbury NC. Clinchfield probably interchanged them to Southern at Frisco. I don't know if this held after WWII.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, January 16, 2022, 06:06:40 PM EST, Robert Graham <rgraham2@...> wrote:





Mr. Courtney:

Mr. Wall's response is the correct one regarding the Duke Power Buck Steam station you were asking about. There was, however, a Duke Power steam station located in the Asheville NC area and served by Southern Ry. It was owned and operated by Carolina Power & Light, which became Progress Energy after a merger and ultimately, also through merger, became a Duke energy unit. The CP&L plant was called Skyland and was located near Arden, south of Asheville and served off the SOU line to Spartanburg (the one that went down Saluda). CP&L Skyland came on line in 1964, though, and post dates your query. The Duke Energy Asheville Steam plant was decommissioned in 2017 and was replaced by a gas-fire combined cycle power plant, and is in service as such. I only mention this as there was in fact an Asheville Plant under Duke ownership and other sources could have led to to think that this Asheville Plant was the consignee for Duke Power Co mined coal in your era of choice. 

Duke Power Co long controlled coal mining operations in Eastern KY and S.W. Virginia and coal for a Duke plant could have originated on L&N lines and been interchanged to Southern, but I do not know for certain. Most coal originating on L&N in the 1940's & 1950's was more metallurgical and destined for northern coke & steel mills. The boom in steam coal for power generation was more prevalent in the later 1950's up into the early 21st century.

R.F. Graham  


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From: "James"
To: "main@southernrailway.groups.io"
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Sent: Sunday January 16 2022 2:02:50PM
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Coal for the old Duke Power's Buck Steam Plant

George,


Buck Steam Station is located on the south side of the Yadkin River near Spencer, NC.  It is still visible from I-85.  Southern served the station from a siding located between present Linwood yard and NCTM, old Spencer shops.



Here is the location on google maps:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Buck+Steam+Station/@35.7129067,-80.3810236,15z/data=!4m12!1m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x76dc2343247426a1!2sBuck+Steam+Station!8m2!3d35.7107566!4d-80.3771565!3m4!1s0x0:0x76dc2343247426a1!8m2!3d35.7107566!4d-80.3771565



Here is the info from Duke Energy:

https://www.duke-energy.com/Our-Company/About-Us/Power-Plants/Buck-Steam-Station



I am not sure where the coal would have been shipped from during the period you stated.





  
On Jan 16, 2022, at 13:48, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

  
I'm curious which coal mining area provided coal for the Buck Steam Plant?  I understand this Duke Power plant was near Asheville and would have been served by the Southern.  However,was the coal provided by the s.w. Virginia area or the mines near Middlesboro, Ky?  Or some other source?  Could it have come off the L&N and been interchanged with the Southern?  My time line of interest is between World War II and the early 1950's.

Thanks,
George Courtney



James Wall

Rural Hall, NC


locked Re: Coal for the old Duke Power's Buck Steam Plant

Robert Graham
 

Mr. Courtney:

Mr. Wall's response is the correct one regarding the Duke Power Buck Steam station you were asking about. There was, however, a Duke Power steam station located in the Asheville NC area and served by Southern Ry. It was owned and operated by Carolina Power & Light, which became Progress Energy after a merger and ultimately, also through merger, became a Duke energy unit. The CP&L plant was called Skyland and was located near Arden, south of Asheville and served off the SOU line to Spartanburg (the one that went down Saluda). CP&L Skyland came on line in 1964, though, and post dates your query. The Duke Energy Asheville Steam plant was decommissioned in 2017 and was replaced by a gas-fire combined cycle power plant, and is in service as such. I only mention this as there was in fact an Asheville Plant under Duke ownership and other sources could have led to to think that this Asheville Plant was the consignee for Duke Power Co mined coal in your era of choice. 

Duke Power Co long controlled coal mining operations in Eastern KY and S.W. Virginia and coal for a Duke plant could have originated on L&N lines and been interchanged to Southern, but I do not know for certain. Most coal originating on L&N in the 1940's & 1950's was more metallurgical and destined for northern coke & steel mills. The boom in steam coal for power generation was more prevalent in the later 1950's up into the early 21st century.

R.F. Graham  

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From: "James"
To: "main@southernrailway.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday January 16 2022 2:02:50PM
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Coal for the old Duke Power's Buck Steam Plant

George,

Buck Steam Station is located on the south side of the Yadkin River near Spencer, NC.  It is still visible from I-85.  Southern served the station from a siding located between present Linwood yard and NCTM, old Spencer shops.

Here is the location on google maps:

Here is the info from Duke Energy:

I am not sure where the coal would have been shipped from during the period you stated.

On Jan 16, 2022, at 13:48, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

I'm curious which coal mining area provided coal for the Buck Steam Plant?  I understand this Duke Power plant was near Asheville and would have been served by the Southern.  However,was the coal provided by the s.w. Virginia area or the mines near Middlesboro, Ky?  Or some other source?  Could it have come off the L&N and been interchanged with the Southern?  My time line of interest is between World War II and the early 1950's.

Thanks,
George Courtney


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Coal for the old Duke Power's Buck Steam Plant

James
 

George,

Buck Steam Station is located on the south side of the Yadkin River near Spencer, NC.  It is still visible from I-85.  Southern served the station from a siding located between present Linwood yard and NCTM, old Spencer shops.

Here is the location on google maps:

Here is the info from Duke Energy:

I am not sure where the coal would have been shipped from during the period you stated.

On Jan 16, 2022, at 13:48, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

I'm curious which coal mining area provided coal for the Buck Steam Plant?  I understand this Duke Power plant was near Asheville and would have been served by the Southern.  However,was the coal provided by the s.w. Virginia area or the mines near Middlesboro, Ky?  Or some other source?  Could it have come off the L&N and been interchanged with the Southern?  My time line of interest is between World War II and the early 1950's.

Thanks,
George Courtney


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC



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