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locked SD40-2 initial delivery questions

David Friedlander
 

Hi all,

Looks like 3rd Rail is finalizing orders for their O-Scale SD40-2, which the tooling allows them to accurately do Southern's initial batch of SD40-2, units 3201-3208. I'm teetering between getting two or three units.

Does anyone know if the initial SD40-2 batch was run in pairs or triplets when they first arrived on the Southern? Were any groupings of numbered units specifically ran together for any initial period of time (eg- units 3201-3203 were consisted together for a year)? Were SD40-2's immediately mixed in with SD40's?

Also, just to verify, but I believe only units including and after 3244 had snowplows, right?

Thanks as always,
David Friedlander


locked Re: Hydra cushion underframe & 20" cushioned coupler

George Eichelberger
 

I know I’ve asked before….Does anyone on the list do printing and binding? The NS print shop has done work for SRHA before (as a non-profit) but with all the changes and the move to Atlanta, I don’t know what we can plan on nowadays?

I expect with the L&NHS moving in next door, things will be busy at this week’s archives work session but we have multiple major projects either underway or needing to be organized. Once a project is organized, some work can be done “off site” in addition to at the archives. 

(Contact archives@... if you plan to be there. Please be vaccinated/wear a mask if you come.)

One project that comes to mind….many SR employee and public timetables have been scanned. If someone can de-skew and crop the scans, we can publish all of them on a DVD. Many examples from various Southern operating divisions…over many years are scanned and ready to finish.

Ike



On Feb 14, 2022, at 1:57 PM, Evan Whatley <Evan.w.what@...> wrote:

I would love to see a diagram book for freight cars covering the late 40s and early 50s. I'm sure there must of been a diagram book of fright cars keeps prior to 1960.

Another interesting project might be digitizing the freight car register for each year. That way you can link between years anad annotate additions, deletions, or modifications.
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-Evan Whatley


locked Re: Hydra cushion underframe & 20" cushioned coupler

Evan Whatley
 

I would love to see a diagram book for freight cars covering the late 40s and early 50s. I'm sure there must of been a diagram book of fright cars keeps prior to 1960.

Another interesting project might be digitizing the freight car register for each year. That way you can link between years anad annotate additions, deletions, or modifications.
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-Evan Whatley


locked Re: Hydra cushion underframe & 20" cushioned coupler

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Same here. There is probably less standard and uniform info on Southern freight cars prior to WWII, so having the info available generates interest in the young. I’m old but not old enough to have lived in that time. I just had people share info and that got me interested. If you didn’t live then, you need valid info available to get interested. Otherwise we wouldn’t have history, just nostalgia for a lost youth.

Sent from Dave Bott's iPhone

On Feb 13, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Barry Kimble <southernry@...> wrote:

I’m with Fenton on this, (I must be old too)
I would be all in on an earlier version book.
Same interests in SU, early automobile cars, stock cars, vents, and any conversions that took place.
Sorry for the late reply, getting caught up on email.
Barry

On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:36 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

An earlier version of the diagram book would interest me if by earlier you mean older cars. SU boxcars both 36 and 40 ft versions, wood cabooses, stock cars, vent cars and many older cars. Having said that, I’m older than many SR fans and not sure how much the rest of the audience shares my opinion.
One manufacturer said the SR cars in the block Southern were out selling the black RR Roman lettered cars. I was surprised and realized I am old
My 2 cents
Fenton
On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:21 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
And …. getting to more prototypical draft gear on models is a great concept! (Is a 2-56 screw really needed for HO couplers?)

Going back to the photo of Southern 115757. That group of Southern cars has quite a (steam era) history. Sou 115750-115774 are shown as “70-Ton Transformer Cars (Low Bulkhead) on freight car diagram book page* 33-F-77. The “CUF” was added by Evans Products as the cars were rebuilt (for the second time) from Sou 50-T wood racks Sou 122998-123499 (rblt Spencer ’55), Sou 120998-122997 and Sou 250400-250599 (rblt Coster ’56 & ’57) and Sou 301300-301343 (rblt Coster 1957) (Sou diag book page 31-F-97).

The wood racks were Coster Shop (Knoxville) rebuilds from 50-T DDB (double drop bottom) gondola series 175000-176344 and Sou 315700-315949. (Southern gons of the period were typically called “coal cars”.)

Virtually all of the original drawings, as-built and re-built, are in the SRHA archives but not every drawing was redrawn for the rebuilds so all of the versions of the cars need to be researched to model the transformer cars. With some research, we could go back and see what the original underframe/center sill drawings show.

Ike

PS Is there any interest in SRHA publishing an earlier version of the Southern freight car diagram book than we have available now?











locked Re: Hydra cushion underframe & 20" cushioned coupler

Barry Kimble
 

I’m with Fenton on this, (I must be old too)
I would be all in on an earlier version book.
Same interests in SU, early automobile cars, stock cars, vents, and any conversions that took place.
Sorry for the late reply, getting caught up on email.
Barry

On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:36 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

An earlier version of the diagram book would interest me if by earlier you mean older cars. SU boxcars both 36 and 40 ft versions, wood cabooses, stock cars, vent cars and many older cars. Having said that, I’m older than many SR fans and not sure how much the rest of the audience shares my opinion.
One manufacturer said the SR cars in the block Southern were out selling the black RR Roman lettered cars. I was surprised and realized I am old
My 2 cents
Fenton
On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:21 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

And …. getting to more prototypical draft gear on models is a great concept! (Is a 2-56 screw really needed for HO couplers?)

Going back to the photo of Southern 115757. That group of Southern cars has quite a (steam era) history. Sou 115750-115774 are shown as “70-Ton Transformer Cars (Low Bulkhead) on freight car diagram book page* 33-F-77. The “CUF” was added by Evans Products as the cars were rebuilt (for the second time) from Sou 50-T wood racks Sou 122998-123499 (rblt Spencer ’55), Sou 120998-122997 and Sou 250400-250599 (rblt Coster ’56 & ’57) and Sou 301300-301343 (rblt Coster 1957) (Sou diag book page 31-F-97).

The wood racks were Coster Shop (Knoxville) rebuilds from 50-T DDB (double drop bottom) gondola series 175000-176344 and Sou 315700-315949. (Southern gons of the period were typically called “coal cars”.)

Virtually all of the original drawings, as-built and re-built, are in the SRHA archives but not every drawing was redrawn for the rebuilds so all of the versions of the cars need to be researched to model the transformer cars. With some research, we could go back and see what the original underframe/center sill drawings show.

Ike

PS Is there any interest in SRHA publishing an earlier version of the Southern freight car diagram book than we have available now?







locked SF-1652 Two-bay clay hopper?

George Eichelberger
 

Rick Bell did some serious scanning (300 drawings!) at the archives this week. Many of the drawings were from the height of the Brosnan era when freight cars were being modified or built new to attract new business.

Drawings can provide information we don’t see anywhere else…or drawings for things that were proposed but never built. SF-1652 appears to be an example of “never built” (at least as far as I know). The cars were to be modified from 50-ton 104500-105949 two-bay hoppers with the same drop bottom door arrangement we see in the 70-T three-bay hoppers. If anyone might consider modeling such a car, let me know and I’ll send you a scanned copy of the drawing.

Some questions please… Thoughts on Is there any genuine interest in obtaining copies of Southern or CofG freight of passenger car drawings, how much they should cost and should be be hard-copy or only digital? (email via “private on the .io group or archives@....)

Second, there will be a RPM model display at the October joint SRHA/L&NHS/RPM meet. Is there any interest in a project model here, in addition to the SUF box car we discussed earlier? Who on this .io group might plan to come to the convention/RPM? One registration for both, clinics and displays will be open to all attendees. The L&NHS has a stronger modeling emphasis than SRHA but models from both groups will be well represented.

Comments please!

Ike


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Bill Schafer
 

Division with HQ location in ().   
Eastern (Greensboro)
Piedmont (Greenville)
Carolina (Asheville)
Georgia (Atlanta)
Coastal (Macon)
Alabama (Birmingham)
Tennessee (Knoxville)
Kentucky (Somerset)
Western (Louisville)
Crescent (Hattiesburg)
Appalachia (Andover)

I think these were the divisions as of the Norfolk Southern merger in June 1982. All divisions were given new names in 1968 - a change from some of the cumbersome titles that resulted from the wholesale division consolidation that occurred in 1964 (“Eastern” is much better than “Danville—Washington-Richmond” and “Carolina” is an improvement on “Asheville-Charleston-Winston Salem). 

—Bill



locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Kyle Shannon
 

It definitely depends on the timeframe you are talking about. Division names and lines changed over time. These are best reflected in the employee time tables from the eras. Earlier on, most divisions were named for one of the primary cities along the primary line for that division.

For a long time, Greenville SC would have been considered part of the Charlotte Division for the mainline, but also with a line that was part of the Columbia Division. 

Lots of major cities did not belong to any particular division, but rather the lines within did. Chattanooga for example had the Knoxville, Atlanta, CNO&TP, and AGS, as well as the Chattanooga Terminal.

Kyle



On Thursday, February 10, 2022, 1:14 PM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

Well, Greenville South Carolina is definitely in the Piedmont. I thought they met Greenville North Carolina which is quite far east in the Atlantic coastal plain.


On Feb 10, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

That's Greenville, SC. Piedmont Division main line was Salisbury to Atlanta, so Greenville was near the center. Eastern Division, on the main line, was Salisbury to Pot Yard. Of course, both divisions included other lines.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC (on the former Carolina Division SB line, Marion, NC to Kingville, SC)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Steve Ellis
 

Well, Greenville South Carolina is definitely in the Piedmont. I thought they met Greenville North Carolina which is quite far east in the Atlantic coastal plain.


On Feb 10, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

That's Greenville, SC. Piedmont Division main line was Salisbury to Atlanta, so Greenville was near the center. Eastern Division, on the main line, was Salisbury to Pot Yard. Of course, both divisions included other lines.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC (on the former Carolina Division SB line, Marion, NC to Kingville, SC)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Tim
 

That's Greenville, SC. Piedmont Division main line was Salisbury to Atlanta, so Greenville was near the center. Eastern Division, on the main line, was Salisbury to Pot Yard. Of course, both divisions included other lines.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC (on the former Carolina Division SB line, Marion, NC to Kingville, SC)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Steve Ellis
 

It would seem that Piedmont would fit Greensboro better and Eastern would fit Greenville better.


On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:27 PM, John via groups.io <jcurtrig@...> wrote:

Division with HQ location in ().   
Eastern (Greensboro)
Piedmont (Greenville)
Carolina (Asheville)
Georgia (Atlanta)
Coastal (Macon)
Alabama (Birmingham)
Tennessee (Knoxville)
Kentucky (Somerset)
Western (Louisville)
Crescent (Hattiesburg)
Appalachia (Andover)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

John
 

Division with HQ location in ().   
Eastern (Greensboro)
Piedmont (Greenville)
Carolina (Asheville)
Georgia (Atlanta)
Coastal (Macon)
Alabama (Birmingham)
Tennessee (Knoxville)
Kentucky (Somerset)
Western (Louisville)
Crescent (Hattiesburg)
Appalachia (Andover)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Cohen Bob
 

I can tell you that the old Norfolk Division was combined in the Richmond Division in 1932 and that Danville-Washington-Richmond divisions that had been separate were combined into the Eastern Division 1965-1968 after going by the 3 former named divisions about 1965. Since the 1970s and 80s lots more changes have occurred.

That's all I can recall.

Bob Cohen


locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

George Eichelberger
 

Title wise with SRHA, I am the Archives Director, one of SRHA’s BOD members. 

You can use the “Private” link on an .io posting to email only the sender of that item. “Archives@...” also gets mail directly to me.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 Thanks for the updated information Ike! 

 May I ask what capacity do you serve at for the SRHA?  I ask because I have a business related question I didn't know who was on this group. Maybe we should chat in private?

 Thanks for your time Mike.

 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 08:46 George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Michael:

Yes! We expect to post details on the convention activities as they are finalized. Registration will most likely be done using the TVRM system that’s in place now, with links from the L&NHS and SRHA web sites.

Even though we will not need to use hotel banquet or meeting facilities, we will post a list of negotiated hotel room rates for folks to select.

We wanted to make people aware of the dates as early as possible, both to plan on being there starting Thursday AND to get their models ready for the display area.

It’s not too early for anyone to offer to do a clinic, either model or prototype subject. If there is material in the archives that will help, it will be available.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached




--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway





locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

Michael Shirey
 

 Thanks for the updated information Ike! 

 May I ask what capacity do you serve at for the SRHA?  I ask because I have a business related question I didn't know who was on this group. Maybe we should chat in private?

 Thanks for your time Mike.

 


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 08:46 George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Michael:

Yes! We expect to post details on the convention activities as they are finalized. Registration will most likely be done using the TVRM system that’s in place now, with links from the L&NHS and SRHA web sites.

Even though we will not need to use hotel banquet or meeting facilities, we will post a list of negotiated hotel room rates for folks to select.

We wanted to make people aware of the dates as early as possible, both to plan on being there starting Thursday AND to get their models ready for the display area.

It’s not too early for anyone to offer to do a clinic, either model or prototype subject. If there is material in the archives that will help, it will be available.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached




--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway


locked Livestock moving on Southern

George Eichelberger
 

There are some large files on Southern’s livestock business in the SRHA files. Until large scale refrigeration came available, animals were shipped live to various processing plants to reduce the time to ship processed meat. Here is an example…

Ike


locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

George Eichelberger
 

Michael:

Yes! We expect to post details on the convention activities as they are finalized. Registration will most likely be done using the TVRM system that’s in place now, with links from the L&NHS and SRHA web sites.

Even though we will not need to use hotel banquet or meeting facilities, we will post a list of negotiated hotel room rates for folks to select.

We wanted to make people aware of the dates as early as possible, both to plan on being there starting Thursday AND to get their models ready for the display area.

It’s not too early for anyone to offer to do a clinic, either model or prototype subject. If there is material in the archives that will help, it will be available.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached




--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway


locked Southern Railway divisions

Michael Shirey
 

What divisions did Southern Railway operate up until 1982? I had a list of Divisions here somewhere and I can't find them. I need someone to remind me of what there was before NS. Thanks...


locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

Michael Shirey
 

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?


On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached



--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway


locked LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

Carl Ardrey
 

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