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locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Kyle Shannon
 

It definitely depends on the timeframe you are talking about. Division names and lines changed over time. These are best reflected in the employee time tables from the eras. Earlier on, most divisions were named for one of the primary cities along the primary line for that division.

For a long time, Greenville SC would have been considered part of the Charlotte Division for the mainline, but also with a line that was part of the Columbia Division. 

Lots of major cities did not belong to any particular division, but rather the lines within did. Chattanooga for example had the Knoxville, Atlanta, CNO&TP, and AGS, as well as the Chattanooga Terminal.

Kyle



On Thursday, February 10, 2022, 1:14 PM, Steve Ellis via groups.io <meadowbrookdairy@...> wrote:

Well, Greenville South Carolina is definitely in the Piedmont. I thought they met Greenville North Carolina which is quite far east in the Atlantic coastal plain.


On Feb 10, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

That's Greenville, SC. Piedmont Division main line was Salisbury to Atlanta, so Greenville was near the center. Eastern Division, on the main line, was Salisbury to Pot Yard. Of course, both divisions included other lines.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC (on the former Carolina Division SB line, Marion, NC to Kingville, SC)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Steve Ellis
 

Well, Greenville South Carolina is definitely in the Piedmont. I thought they met Greenville North Carolina which is quite far east in the Atlantic coastal plain.


On Feb 10, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

That's Greenville, SC. Piedmont Division main line was Salisbury to Atlanta, so Greenville was near the center. Eastern Division, on the main line, was Salisbury to Pot Yard. Of course, both divisions included other lines.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC (on the former Carolina Division SB line, Marion, NC to Kingville, SC)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Tim
 

That's Greenville, SC. Piedmont Division main line was Salisbury to Atlanta, so Greenville was near the center. Eastern Division, on the main line, was Salisbury to Pot Yard. Of course, both divisions included other lines.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC (on the former Carolina Division SB line, Marion, NC to Kingville, SC)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Steve Ellis
 

It would seem that Piedmont would fit Greensboro better and Eastern would fit Greenville better.


On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:27 PM, John via groups.io <jcurtrig@...> wrote:

Division with HQ location in ().   
Eastern (Greensboro)
Piedmont (Greenville)
Carolina (Asheville)
Georgia (Atlanta)
Coastal (Macon)
Alabama (Birmingham)
Tennessee (Knoxville)
Kentucky (Somerset)
Western (Louisville)
Crescent (Hattiesburg)
Appalachia (Andover)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

John
 

Division with HQ location in ().   
Eastern (Greensboro)
Piedmont (Greenville)
Carolina (Asheville)
Georgia (Atlanta)
Coastal (Macon)
Alabama (Birmingham)
Tennessee (Knoxville)
Kentucky (Somerset)
Western (Louisville)
Crescent (Hattiesburg)
Appalachia (Andover)


locked Re: Southern Railway divisions

Cohen Bob
 

I can tell you that the old Norfolk Division was combined in the Richmond Division in 1932 and that Danville-Washington-Richmond divisions that had been separate were combined into the Eastern Division 1965-1968 after going by the 3 former named divisions about 1965. Since the 1970s and 80s lots more changes have occurred.

That's all I can recall.

Bob Cohen


locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

George Eichelberger
 

Title wise with SRHA, I am the Archives Director, one of SRHA’s BOD members. 

You can use the “Private” link on an .io posting to email only the sender of that item. “Archives@...” also gets mail directly to me.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 10:20 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 Thanks for the updated information Ike! 

 May I ask what capacity do you serve at for the SRHA?  I ask because I have a business related question I didn't know who was on this group. Maybe we should chat in private?

 Thanks for your time Mike.

 

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 08:46 George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Michael:

Yes! We expect to post details on the convention activities as they are finalized. Registration will most likely be done using the TVRM system that’s in place now, with links from the L&NHS and SRHA web sites.

Even though we will not need to use hotel banquet or meeting facilities, we will post a list of negotiated hotel room rates for folks to select.

We wanted to make people aware of the dates as early as possible, both to plan on being there starting Thursday AND to get their models ready for the display area.

It’s not too early for anyone to offer to do a clinic, either model or prototype subject. If there is material in the archives that will help, it will be available.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached




--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway





locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

Michael Shirey
 

 Thanks for the updated information Ike! 

 May I ask what capacity do you serve at for the SRHA?  I ask because I have a business related question I didn't know who was on this group. Maybe we should chat in private?

 Thanks for your time Mike.

 


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 08:46 George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Michael:

Yes! We expect to post details on the convention activities as they are finalized. Registration will most likely be done using the TVRM system that’s in place now, with links from the L&NHS and SRHA web sites.

Even though we will not need to use hotel banquet or meeting facilities, we will post a list of negotiated hotel room rates for folks to select.

We wanted to make people aware of the dates as early as possible, both to plan on being there starting Thursday AND to get their models ready for the display area.

It’s not too early for anyone to offer to do a clinic, either model or prototype subject. If there is material in the archives that will help, it will be available.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached




--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway


locked Livestock moving on Southern

George Eichelberger
 

There are some large files on Southern’s livestock business in the SRHA files. Until large scale refrigeration came available, animals were shipped live to various processing plants to reduce the time to ship processed meat. Here is an example…

Ike


locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

George Eichelberger
 

Michael:

Yes! We expect to post details on the convention activities as they are finalized. Registration will most likely be done using the TVRM system that’s in place now, with links from the L&NHS and SRHA web sites.

Even though we will not need to use hotel banquet or meeting facilities, we will post a list of negotiated hotel room rates for folks to select.

We wanted to make people aware of the dates as early as possible, both to plan on being there starting Thursday AND to get their models ready for the display area.

It’s not too early for anyone to offer to do a clinic, either model or prototype subject. If there is material in the archives that will help, it will be available.

Ike



On Feb 10, 2022, at 12:12 AM, Michael Shirey <Southern4603T@...> wrote:

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?

On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached




--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway


locked Southern Railway divisions

Michael Shirey
 

What divisions did Southern Railway operate up until 1982? I had a list of Divisions here somewhere and I can't find them. I need someone to remind me of what there was before NS. Thanks...


locked Re: LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

Michael Shirey
 

 When will convention information be listed on SRHA website, So members can sign up to attend?


On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 5:58 PM Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
Attached



--

Michael Shirey

Southern Railway Historical Association Member #9748
and Modeler of the Modern DT&I and Southern Railway


locked LNHS/SRHA/TVRM Convention and RPM

Carl Ardrey
 

Attached


locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Taking reservations for SOU G82/NS GS50 chip gon rerun

George Eichelberger
 

Curt:

The New Car Program (NCP) file for these cars is probably in the archives. If someone will remember, we can look to find delivery dates, etc. at next week’s archives work session. Here is a reduced size/dpi copy of Ortner drawing OC-482, the stencil layout for these cars. (The quality of the drawing is rather poor, typical of a number of car orders just before the NS merger. We may have these drawings only on aperture card microfilm as there is not a Southern tracing in the scanned files….also typical of cars ordered through the 70s. 

The drawing date is 3-15-80. The earliest photo (of 139815, looking quite clean and new) is by Marvin Black, taken in Greensboro 4-15-81

Ike

PS This morning, the dates for the joint 2022 SRHA-L&NHS convention at TVRM were finalized to start Thursday Sep. 29 to Saturday Oct 1. A “Railroad Prototype Modelers” meet will be held with the convention. (Please send a note to archives@... if you might be willing to help or present a modeling or prototype clinic.)

More information will follow soon….(get your models ready!)




On Feb 8, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Curt Fortenberry <curtfortenberry@...> wrote:


When did Southern first get these?  I can't read the dates in the photos.

Curt Fortenberry


locked Green paint on SR E-8's

SouRwyFan
 

Still searching...

Hi all,

When Southern repainted their E-8's for "Southern Crescent" service in the early 1970's does anyone know if that color was the same as the Green they were delivered in? I have a paint code number from the original painting diagram but can't seem to find anything on the 1970 repainting. I have heard varied opinions but has anyone run across any documentation they could/would share Or if there is any files or paint chip reference for the repaint in the archives. If so I'd like to talk, email me offlist to discuss further.

TIA, Rahl

 

 
 


locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

Tim
 

This document is available here: http://southern.railfan.net/paper/sr_paper.html

It's listed as October 1979 but it's actually 1975.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

Tim
 

I've got a pdf copy of the October 1, 1975, Car Assignment Book that I downloaded (from somewhere ...). It's a wonderful resource.

Tim


locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

Sam Smith
 

As far as I have ever seen or heard of, the Southern applied ice breaking fixtures to the roofs of some GP30's and SD24's for a few years. Apparently, that didn't last long before these fixtures were removed.... mostly. I think the actual mounting points were left in place.

Sam


On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 12:29 PM, Jason Greene
<jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
I have seen actual car, and pictures of the Clinchfield version of what you were talking about. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a picture of one off the Southern. I’d be interested in seeing pictures if there was one. 

Jason Greene 

On Jan 31, 2022, at 12:01 PM, John M. Ware, P.E. <John@...> wrote:



To Anyone:

      A long time ago I saw a photo of a modified MOW railcar designed to break ice cycles from tunnels or any other objects. The car was pushed ahead of the locomotive for obvious reasons. As I recall it was either a flat car or gondola with a hoop type steel structure shaped to the track clearance limits. My guess is that it was made  in a railroad shop. I don’t remember  the railroad, but  maybe it was from the “Rat Hole” Division of the CNO&TP. Do not remember if the loco was steam or diesel. If anyone has a photo or drawing, it would be helpful for a project that I am working on.

 

Thanks,

John Warel

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 10:14 AM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

 

Tim:

 

Glad you can make use of it!

 

I expect we will have a PDF of the 1-1-76 Southern car assignment book available as a download soon. It contains 302 pages (!) of all of the various  Southern freight cars assigned to particular shippers or locations - on and off line. In addition to Southern and CofG rolling stock, cars from ACL to UP assigned to locations on the Southern are included.

 

Cost to download will be reasonable. We want to determine how much interest there may be for this kind of Southern “prototype” data and if people will honor the “do not distribute” request.

 

The ability to order other Southern and CofG drawings, photos and documents is also “in the works”. Until then, attending one of the SRHA archives work sessions is the best way to see what is available and do research.

 

Ike

 

 

 

On Jan 31, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

 

Ike,

Thanks for posting this. It will be a big help with planning traffic on my layout (Southern S-Line).

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC

 


locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

Jason Greene
 

I have seen actual car, and pictures of the Clinchfield version of what you were talking about. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a picture of one off the Southern. I’d be interested in seeing pictures if there was one. 

Jason Greene 

On Jan 31, 2022, at 12:01 PM, John M. Ware, P.E. <John@...> wrote:



To Anyone:

      A long time ago I saw a photo of a modified MOW railcar designed to break ice cycles from tunnels or any other objects. The car was pushed ahead of the locomotive for obvious reasons. As I recall it was either a flat car or gondola with a hoop type steel structure shaped to the track clearance limits. My guess is that it was made  in a railroad shop. I don’t remember  the railroad, but  maybe it was from the “Rat Hole” Division of the CNO&TP. Do not remember if the loco was steam or diesel. If anyone has a photo or drawing, it would be helpful for a project that I am working on.

 

Thanks,

John Warel

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 10:14 AM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

 

Tim:

 

Glad you can make use of it!

 

I expect we will have a PDF of the 1-1-76 Southern car assignment book available as a download soon. It contains 302 pages (!) of all of the various  Southern freight cars assigned to particular shippers or locations - on and off line. In addition to Southern and CofG rolling stock, cars from ACL to UP assigned to locations on the Southern are included.

 

Cost to download will be reasonable. We want to determine how much interest there may be for this kind of Southern “prototype” data and if people will honor the “do not distribute” request.

 

The ability to order other Southern and CofG drawings, photos and documents is also “in the works”. Until then, attending one of the SRHA archives work sessions is the best way to see what is available and do research.

 

Ike

 

 

 

On Jan 31, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

 

Ike,

Thanks for posting this. It will be a big help with planning traffic on my layout (Southern S-Line).

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC

 


locked Re: Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

John M. Ware, P.E.
 

To Anyone:

      A long time ago I saw a photo of a modified MOW railcar designed to break ice cycles from tunnels or any other objects. The car was pushed ahead of the locomotive for obvious reasons. As I recall it was either a flat car or gondola with a hoop type steel structure shaped to the track clearance limits. My guess is that it was made  in a railroad shop. I don’t remember  the railroad, but  maybe it was from the “Rat Hole” Division of the CNO&TP. Do not remember if the loco was steam or diesel. If anyone has a photo or drawing, it would be helpful for a project that I am working on.

 

Thanks,

John Warel

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 10:14 AM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Large shippers box car requirements ...1954

 

Tim:

 

Glad you can make use of it!

 

I expect we will have a PDF of the 1-1-76 Southern car assignment book available as a download soon. It contains 302 pages (!) of all of the various  Southern freight cars assigned to particular shippers or locations - on and off line. In addition to Southern and CofG rolling stock, cars from ACL to UP assigned to locations on the Southern are included.

 

Cost to download will be reasonable. We want to determine how much interest there may be for this kind of Southern “prototype” data and if people will honor the “do not distribute” request.

 

The ability to order other Southern and CofG drawings, photos and documents is also “in the works”. Until then, attending one of the SRHA archives work sessions is the best way to see what is available and do research.

 

Ike

 

 

 

On Jan 31, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

 

Ike,

Thanks for posting this. It will be a big help with planning traffic on my layout (Southern S-Line).

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC

 

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