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locked Southern Rwy Specification - Card List (3-6-2022 draft)

George Eichelberger
 

A long-term SRHA archives project has been to organize and scan all of the various freight and passenger car drawings, Specifications and Card Lists. The work is on-going and help cross reference and locate items in the archives.

The next Archives work session will be on March 18 and 19. We can explain the, and show, all of the items on the attached draft “Spec - Card List” to anyone interesting in helping.

Ike


locked Re: Telegraph calls

bruce_l_harrison
 

While this is not directly related to this thread, folks might be interested in Bernard Kempinski’s recent (and past) blog posts at https://usmrr.blogspot.com/search/label/Telegraph . Bernie models the US Military Railroad during the civil war.  He has actively recreating an exact working replica of the telegraph system that was in use at the time, and documents construction and historical research. Again different era and railroad, but I find it helps to see how other’s approach similar projects.
Bruce


locked Re: Telegraph calls

michael lowe
 

    You might find some telegraph calls in The Railroad Telegrapher magazine, some issues can be searched on google books. I have searched it mainly for finding interlocker towers
in the Southwest.
     Michael Lowe  


locked Re: Telegraph calls

John
 

I'd be interested in any telegrapher information related to the Hendersonville, NC station. We can put it with our telegraph setup.

In our museum, we have a telegraphy station set up with 1920s key and sounder using a touchscreen monitor and tiny computer. The user is prompted with phrases, the letter desired and the code needed to be keyed in and they can see the code as they do so. It is set to a very slow speed so almost anyone can do it within a word or two - especially as young as 6 y/o.

John Pezzano

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, at 12:45 AM, Ron Stafford via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bob,

Yes, I have a nice collection of employee TT's and those have come in handy as well. I wasn't aware of Allen's 1912 station list, I'll have to email him and see if he'll send me a copy. He and I have been corresponding for many years. 

Ron



-----Original Message-----
From: Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2022 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Telegraph calls


Ron:


Welcome to the "mining club" so to speak. I have likewise been doing the same type of thing for several divisions I have been chasing down the many rabbit holes of chance.

In addition to The RR Telegrapher, try these: employee timetables, the 1912 full listing of stations, etc. for the entire system that I think Allen Stanley has on-line, and occasionally writers of the day who wrote their tales and referred to their stations often by their call letters, and I am sure there are a few others I can't recall at the moment. I have been chasing down the Washington and Danville divisions (only part of Danville) and like to think I have close to all. Occasionally you also have one here and there that changed its call letter or letters just to confuse the future historians like us.

My 2 cents worth.

Bob Cohen



locked Re: Telegraph calls

Ron Stafford
 

Hi Bob,

Yes, I have a nice collection of employee TT's and those have come in handy as well. I wasn't aware of Allen's 1912 station list, I'll have to email him and see if he'll send me a copy. He and I have been corresponding for many years. 

Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: Cohen Bob via groups.io <orl96782@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Mar 2, 2022 9:44 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Telegraph calls

Ron:


Welcome to the "mining club" so to speak. I have likewise been doing the same type of thing for several divisions I have been chasing down the many rabbit holes of chance.

In addition to The RR Telegrapher, try these: employee timetables, the 1912 full listing of stations, etc. for the entire system that I think Allen Stanley has on-line, and occasionally writers of the day who wrote their tales and referred to their stations often by their call letters, and I am sure there are a few others I can't recall at the moment. I have been chasing down the Washington and Danville divisions (only part of Danville) and like to think I have close to all. Occasionally you also have one here and there that changed its call letter or letters just to confuse the future historians like us.

My 2 cents worth.

Bob Cohen


locked Re: Telegraph calls

 

Ron,

How about what it was on the CNO&TP/Cincinnati Southern Railway on April 1, 1881. No fooling! 

These are photos of pages from a book in my personal collection.


- Chris Mayhew 


locked Re: Telegraph calls

Cohen Bob
 

Ron:

Welcome to the "mining club" so to speak. I have likewise been doing the same type of thing for several divisions I have been chasing down the many rabbit holes of chance.

In addition to The RR Telegrapher, try these: employee timetables, the 1912 full listing of stations, etc. for the entire system that I think Allen Stanley has on-line, and occasionally writers of the day who wrote their tales and referred to their stations often by their call letters, and I am sure there are a few others I can't recall at the moment. I have been chasing down the Washington and Danville divisions (only part of Danville) and like to think I have close to all. Occasionally you also have one here and there that changed its call letter or letters just to confuse the future historians like us.

My 2 cents worth.

Bob Cohen


locked Telegraph calls

Ron Stafford
 

Did the Southern ever publish a list of telegraph calls, either by division or system? I'm especially interested in the Ashville, Knoxville and CNO&TP Divisions. 

I've been 'mining' some of them from old issues of The Railroad Telegrapher (early 1900's) when and where I can find them, but its obvious I'll never be able to compile a complete list.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Ron


locked Work Trains on Southern's Appalachia Division

George Courtney
 

Anyone have any knowledge whether a Southern ballast or weed spray train, or even a wreck train would have worked out of Bristol, Intermont Yard or Bulls Gap in the early 1950's?  Even if it would have come up from John Sevier Yard as a long shot?  I believe Bristol was the Division Point office during say 1950 to 1955.  Still Intermont Yard, outside Appalachia, would have been closer to most action.  Bulls Gap the entry point for trains from John Sevier.

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Re: Archive work sessions

Marv Clemons
 

Thanks, Carl.  

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CARL ARDREY wrote:


March 18th-19th with April TBD due to Easter holiday.
CEA
On 02/28/2022 11:53 AM Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:


Ike, do you have the dates for the March and April work sessions? 

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked Re: Archive work sessions

Carl Ardrey
 

March 18th-19th with April TBD due to Easter holiday.
CEA

On 02/28/2022 11:53 AM Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:


Ike, do you have the dates for the March and April work sessions? 

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked Archive work sessions

Marv Clemons
 

Ike, do you have the dates for the March and April work sessions? 

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked Re: Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

Carl Ardrey
 

That's a Southern sales promotion based on the theme Southern gives a green light innovation.  All sales reps were required to wear a similar lapel pin. It's a paper weight.
CEA

On 02/27/2022 8:28 AM John <jptemp@...> wrote:




On Sun, Feb 27, 2022, at 6:19 AM, rwbrv4 via groups.io wrote:
Send me a photo John.
Rick Bell



-----Original Message-----
From: John <jptemp@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?


My name is John and I am president of the Apple Valley Model Railroad Club in Hendersonville, NC. I am also acting Archives Chairman because our Archives Chairwoman is temporarily unable to serve. We have model train layouts and operate a museum that that are all free and open to the public (www.avmrc.com) in the city-owned 1902 former Southern (then  NS) 1902 depot.

A few days ago, we were given a donation of some personal effects from the daughter of a retired Southern police captain who passed away. One of the items is a green colored cylinder surrounded by a silver colored cylinder and enclosed in solid glass. It looks like and is about the size of a hearing aid battery! The donor thought this was part of a Southern Railway campaign from the 1960s called the "Green Light Campaign". In our effort to identify it, I am appealing to anyone who can help me determine more information about this item. It was owned by her father and we want to put it on display in our museum.

I don't know if pictures are permitted in this group but I can send a picture if requested.

Thanks in advance,

John Pezzano


locked Re: Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

John
 



On Sun, Feb 27, 2022, at 6:19 AM, rwbrv4 via groups.io wrote:
Send me a photo John.
Rick Bell



-----Original Message-----
From: John <jptemp@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?


My name is John and I am president of the Apple Valley Model Railroad Club in Hendersonville, NC. I am also acting Archives Chairman because our Archives Chairwoman is temporarily unable to serve. We have model train layouts and operate a museum that that are all free and open to the public (www.avmrc.com) in the city-owned 1902 former Southern (then  NS) 1902 depot.

A few days ago, we were given a donation of some personal effects from the daughter of a retired Southern police captain who passed away. One of the items is a green colored cylinder surrounded by a silver colored cylinder and enclosed in solid glass. It looks like and is about the size of a hearing aid battery! The donor thought this was part of a Southern Railway campaign from the 1960s called the "Green Light Campaign". In our effort to identify it, I am appealing to anyone who can help me determine more information about this item. It was owned by her father and we want to put it on display in our museum.

I don't know if pictures are permitted in this group but I can send a picture if requested.

Thanks in advance,

John Pezzano


locked Re: Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

rwbrv4
 

Send me a photo John.
Rick Bell


-----Original Message-----
From: John <jptemp@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

My name is John and I am president of the Apple Valley Model Railroad Club in Hendersonville, NC. I am also acting Archives Chairman because our Archives Chairwoman is temporarily unable to serve. We have model train layouts and operate a museum that that are all free and open to the public (www.avmrc.com) in the city-owned 1902 former Southern (then  NS) 1902 depot.

A few days ago, we were given a donation of some personal effects from the daughter of a retired Southern police captain who passed away. One of the items is a green colored cylinder surrounded by a silver colored cylinder and enclosed in solid glass. It looks like and is about the size of a hearing aid battery! The donor thought this was part of a Southern Railway campaign from the 1960s called the "Green Light Campaign". In our effort to identify it, I am appealing to anyone who can help me determine more information about this item. It was owned by her father and we want to put it on display in our museum.

I don't know if pictures are permitted in this group but I can send a picture if requested.

Thanks in advance,

John Pezzano


locked Re: Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

Robert Hanson
 

I have seen similar clear cubes (I believe that they are made of clear plastic rather than glass) containing a disc as you describe.

They are paperweights and were freight traffic promotional give-away items for the Southern's sales promotion program with the theme "Southern Railway Gives The Green Light to Innovation."  The theme was built around a green railroad signal and the "O" in "Southern" was filled in with green ink in the printed advertisements.

Most, if not all, of the sales reps wore similar "Green Light" lapel pins - a disc with a green center surrounded by a solver circle.

I have one of these pins given to me by S. D (Sam) Guy, VP Sales in the 1970's.

I do not recall exactly when the program started  - late 1960's or early 70's (my guess is the latter) but it went on for a number of years.

I hope this helps.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: John <jptemp@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sat, Feb 26, 2022 4:36 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

My name is John and I am president of the Apple Valley Model Railroad Club in Hendersonville, NC. I am also acting Archives Chairman because our Archives Chairwoman is temporarily unable to serve. We have model train layouts and operate a museum that that are all free and open to the public (www.avmrc.com) in the city-owned 1902 former Southern (then  NS) 1902 depot.

A few days ago, we were given a donation of some personal effects from the daughter of a retired Southern police captain who passed away. One of the items is a green colored cylinder surrounded by a silver colored cylinder and enclosed in solid glass. It looks like and is about the size of a hearing aid battery! The donor thought this was part of a Southern Railway campaign from the 1960s called the "Green Light Campaign". In our effort to identify it, I am appealing to anyone who can help me determine more information about this item. It was owned by her father and we want to put it on display in our museum.

I don't know if pictures are permitted in this group but I can send a picture if requested.

Thanks in advance,

John Pezzano


locked Southern Railway Green Light Campaign?

John
 

My name is John and I am president of the Apple Valley Model Railroad Club in Hendersonville, NC. I am also acting Archives Chairman because our Archives Chairwoman is temporarily unable to serve. We have model train layouts and operate a museum that that are all free and open to the public (www.avmrc.com) in the city-owned 1902 former Southern (then  NS) 1902 depot.

A few days ago, we were given a donation of some personal effects from the daughter of a retired Southern police captain who passed away. One of the items is a green colored cylinder surrounded by a silver colored cylinder and enclosed in solid glass. It looks like and is about the size of a hearing aid battery! The donor thought this was part of a Southern Railway campaign from the 1960s called the "Green Light Campaign". In our effort to identify it, I am appealing to anyone who can help me determine more information about this item. It was owned by her father and we want to put it on display in our museum.

I don't know if pictures are permitted in this group but I can send a picture if requested.

Thanks in advance,

John Pezzano


locked Re: Authorization for Car Assignment (ACA)

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Ike,
Since Trailer Train's intermodal cars have always been stenciled for restricted loading only, I would not read "return to general service" as returning cars to intermodal service, but to regular flat car service as AAR type FMS with reporting marks JTTX.  Then they could be used for long loads like pipe until they rebodied them for wide body racks.

While Trailer Train did have low-deck flats in piggyback service back then, the LTTX 500000 series, they were not quite the same carbodies as their thousands of low-deck rack flats.  Autoracks can be assumed to be carrying an equally distributed load on their decks.  A trailer flat, most definitely not.  Indeed, autoracks are the one North American freight car type where the car weighs more than its load.

Also, LTTXs did not have end-of-car cushioning, which was true of all of Trailer Train's trailer-only flats.  The cushioning was built into their hitches, which weighed a _lot_ less than an EOCC unit.

It would interesting to read the context of this "Return to General Service" in earlier memos, but from my professional experience in intermodal and the evidence that the above referenced KTTX went right back into autorack service, I cannot imagine that it was ever intended to mean "release for intermodal service," at least not in 1978 and for those classes.

Now if you want to sit through a clinic on the 1980's Twin-45 program, I can give you a blow-by-blow account of rack flats that were converted to pig flats and vice versa.  It was dizzying.....

Scott Chatfield
Formerly of the Southern's intermodal department 


locked Re: Authorization for Car Assignment (ACA)

George Eichelberger
 

PS The memo mentions “re-racking”, that appears to disagree with other memos AND “RGS” (return to general service) at TTX usually refers to cars to be used for intermodal…. Going backwards in the memos chronos may clearer?

Ike


locked Re: Authorization for Car Assignment (ACA)

George Eichelberger
 

Scott:

There are several memos related to this "de-racking" program. References to the entire program mention TT wanted them returned for intermodal service. Although these two pages from a 3-3-78 memo to Trailer Train do not go into exact details for every car, I see no reason to think they were included in the program in error? (Note car numbers mentioned in ACA.)

Ike

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