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It's THIS coming weekend - Saturday-Sunday, December 3-4, 2022 Timonium Train Show

Cohen Bob
 

Yes, It's this weekend, the last chance for your train bargain hunting at a Baltimore, Maryland regional train show.

The annual Greenberg TRAIN SHOW will be held at the Timonium Fairgrounds both Saturday and Sunday, December 3 & 4.

Lots of goodies to peruse and a couple of nice large modular layouts also will be in the back of the room.

What types of goodies you ask? How's about models and parts for all gauges, books and magazines, videos, photographs, and who knows what else. History LIVES while attending the show and of course we are right next to the old Northern Central Rail line, now part of the Baltimore light Rail that comes close to the convention site, so if you live near the light rail, you don't have to deal with traffic or parking.

There is an admission fee and it is good for both days, and door prizes will also be drawn hourly. The show hours are 10-4 both days.

Hope to see you there !

Bob Cohen


                                                                                                                                              next up in 2 weeks: Dulles Expo Center, December 17-18.


Re: TVRM 2022 Visit

John Stewart
 

Yes, thanks for sharing

John Stewart
Birmingham, AL


Re: TVRM 2022 Visit

Evan Whatley
 

Thank you for sharing, Dave. Especially appreciate the detail photos for the low sided gondola.
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-Evan Whatley


Re: TVRM 2022 Visit

O Fenton Wells
 

Great photos Dave, thanks for sharing.
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 27, 2022 at 11:32 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hi all,

I was visiting in the area and a friend was kind enough to detour with me to the TVRM and SRHA archives in September.  I've replaced the 2019 SERM Google Drive with the drive below. About 450 photos. Hopefully something useful in there for someone's reference or modeling.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16LRI77qifdqeWfKbp7ZRbStSvKyp4fvh?usp=sharing

Happy Holidays,
David Friedlander
NY, NY



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TVRM 2022 Visit

David Friedlander
 

Hi all,

I was visiting in the area and a friend was kind enough to detour with me to the TVRM and SRHA archives in September.  I've replaced the 2019 SERM Google Drive with the drive below. About 450 photos. Hopefully something useful in there for someone's reference or modeling.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16LRI77qifdqeWfKbp7ZRbStSvKyp4fvh?usp=sharing

Happy Holidays,
David Friedlander
NY, NY


moderated Happy Thanksgiving to all

Cohen Bob
 

On this day of traditional feasts and merriment and good will, may all have the best of times this day and stuff themselves to your heart's content.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Bob Cohen


locked Re: Coal Car Distribution Bulletins

George Eichelberger
 

Evan:

I am not aware of monthly reports but the SRHA archives contain a significant amount of “coal” related material. The material, MoL, is in three categories; overall Southern coal traffic, coal in SW VA and export coal to the Southern’s pier at Charleston. Studies showing loadings from various mines are included, particularly when the subject is competition from other roads such as the Clinchfield, N&W and L&N. Files include the building of the Clinchfield to compete for southbound coal out of Appalachia, the L&N’s “invasion” of the Tennessee coal fields and the development and traffic to Charleston.

Construction of the Charleston pier construction is extensive and includes a full set of construction progress photos. (I did not realize how much of the Southern’s Charleston coal traffic was for “bunker” coal. That is, coal dumped for fuel in ships that were/were not colliers. It was common for a ship to pull up to the coal pier, receive a load of bunker coal, and move on in an hour or so.)

Files on the Clinchfield include the details of the construction of the CRR’s tunnel at Spartanburg (before that was built, all CRR traffic was interchanged to/through the Southern there.

The development of the Tennessee coal fields are represented in multiple files starting early in the 1900s. The L&N and Southern branches north of Oliver Springs and the development of various “feeder” lines in TN and KY are well covered.

As always, I repeat….. There is simply too much material in the SRHA archives and too few people doing the research needed to make use of it. As we move into the new year, if any SRHA member is interested to doing research (on any topic), let us know (archives@...) what you are interested in and we can provide some idea of how well that topic is covered.

I’ve attached three samples from the archives…..

Ike

1920-12-16 clipping.jpeg

1959-4-21 Int coal branches.jpeg

1968-8-23 operation of Arco-Harlee unit coal train Pg 4.jpeg



On Nov 18, 2022, at 5:45 AM, Evan Miller via groups.io <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:

While doing research on the Virginian, I came across several coal car distribution bulletins. Each month Virginian would list each mine served, its car rating, and how many cars were furnished to each mine during the previous month. Note that these are completely different from yearly mine directories Southern would publish.


Did Southern produce anything similar to these bulletins? If so, they would be excellent for my research.

-Evan Miller 



locked Coal Car Distribution Bulletins

Evan Miller
 

While doing research on the Virginian, I came across several coal car distribution bulletins. Each month Virginian would list each mine served, its car rating, and how many cars were furnished to each mine during the previous month. Note that these are completely different from yearly mine directories Southern would publish.


Did Southern produce anything similar to these bulletins? If so, they would be excellent for my research.

-Evan Miller 


locked Got plans for Turkey Day weekend Saturday, November 26th? Train show near Hagerstown, Maryland

Cohen Bob
 


Hey after a few days with stuffing yourself with good grub and having relatives over you haven't seen in a year or more and gone out shopping, you ARE ready for a nice little train show near Hagerstown, Maryland.

That's right, the Antietam Station - Hagerstown Model RR Museum, Inc. folks are sponsoring their regular Thanksgiving weekend Train Show scheduled for November 26, 2022 at the Washington County Ag Education Center. This is not far from the Antietam Civil War Battlefield.

7313 Sharpsburg Pike on Route 65 – 6.1 miles south of I-70.

There is usually a good variety of train related goodies there from Models and parts, timetables, books, magazines, videos, and who knows what else. The hours are 9-1:30 or so and there are dozens of tables to peruse through and get this -- there's door prizes and even burgers and dogs and soft drinks.

There is an admission fee and if so inclined, you can drive a mile or so further south and visit the old N&W Antietam Station and see the club's layout and whatever else they have to entertain you.

Hope to see you there for it is just over a week away, Thanksgiving weekend Saturday.

Bob Cohen



locked Preservation Possibility

Don Lewis
 

The Mt Vernon, Illinois City Council approved making a bid package to demolish the old Southern Depot in town.  They claim it is an eyesore and becoming dilapidated.  The track it was on was put into service circa 1899 and I think it dates to then.  In the 1980s, it was moved off-track and used by the Jaycees until they went under and disbanded.  It has been unused since.  If there is any interest in trying to restore, salvage, etc. the station, Call City Hall at 618-242-5000.  The City Manager is Mary Ellen Bectel or Mayor John Lewis for contact info.


locked Re: The latest news for you

Jason P
 

George,
No doubt all the coach seats are long gone but I suppose it is possible that they could be re-used as full lounges (premium seating for Georgia trips or other events) or outfit them with table seating to work as table cars for dinner train operation. From what I hear that has been a quite successful operation for the folks at TVRM. Again, I'm glad that they had the opportunity and ability to step up and save them when they had the opportunity.

I volunteer a few hours to the southwest at Heart of Dixie RR Museum in Calera, AL. We had a pair of Hayne shop coaches 1001 and 1005 that former management made (in my opinion) a poor decision to scrap a few years back along with a couple of other cars. I sure wish we still had them.

I do know that one of the two NYC Budd dining cars (grill diner #456) has gone to Western Maryland Scenic where it appears that it will be restored to active service. I have not been inside the car but from what I can tell in the photos it has a remarkably intact interior and kitchen area.

Regards,

-Jason P

On 11/11/2022 8:52 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Jason:


On Nov 11, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Jason Parham <gmo1515@...> wrote:
Dang, I was hoping those cars might be able to see active service of some sort again. Well I guess it is better than a scrap bin.

Jason:

I certainly agree that we want to see Southern Railway rolling stock in service again but consider this:

While the cars might (!) be restorable, their condition and missing parts would make that a very expensive project. (... aside $ and from a very busy shop schedule, some of parts that have been removed over the years have helped keep TVRMs other equipment in service.)

I understand two other (NYC?) dining cars from the Choo Choo are going to be moved from Chattanooga and restored to service. 

Consider that either as places for TVRM (and archives) volunteers to stay overnight, the cars would make it easier for folks to help at TVRM without paying for local hotel nights. I don’t know if the economics of a “public” B&B arrangement would work but that could (!!!) be in their future. (They would be relocated to the area beside the Grand Jct Wye near NS with good views of both operations. If any one is interested in the B&B idea, send me an email and I’ll get it to TVRM management.)

Ike

PS Note, the Nov. and Dec. archives work sessions have been annulled and replaced with a single session on December 9 and 10 to avoid schedule conflicts with Thanksgiving and Christmas. (Hotel prices in Chattanooga have come down considerably.)


On 11/10/2022 4:36 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wroteu:


To all our archives volunteers and visitors, please note. We thought the Nov. and Dec. so close to both Thanksgiving and Christmas would keep even some of our stalwart volunteers from attending. 

I plan to be at the archives Thursday, Dec 8 if anyone wants to come then.

Ike

PS We have new “neighbors” on Turntable Road, four Southern coaches from the Chattanooga Choo Choo hotel

<SR coaches at Turntable Rd.jpeg>

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From: Southern Railway Historical Association <membership@...>
Subject: The latest news for you
Date: November 10, 2022 at 1:22:23 PM EST
To: geichelberger@...
Reply-To: membership@...


locked Re: The latest news for you

George Eichelberger
 

Jason:


On Nov 11, 2022, at 9:24 AM, Jason Parham <gmo1515@...> wrote:

Dang, I was hoping those cars might be able to see active service of some sort again. Well I guess it is better than a scrap bin.

Jason:

I certainly agree that we want to see Southern Railway rolling stock in service again but consider this:

While the cars might (!) be restorable, their condition and missing parts would make that a very expensive project. (... aside $ and from a very busy shop schedule, some of parts that have been removed over the years have helped keep TVRMs other equipment in service.)

I understand two other (NYC?) dining cars from the Choo Choo are going to be moved from Chattanooga and restored to service. 

Consider that either as places for TVRM (and archives) volunteers to stay overnight, the cars would make it easier for folks to help at TVRM without paying for local hotel nights. I don’t know if the economics of a “public” B&B arrangement would work but that could (!!!) be in their future. (They would be relocated to the area beside the Grand Jct Wye near NS with good views of both operations. If any one is interested in the B&B idea, send me an email and I’ll get it to TVRM management.)

Ike

PS Note, the Nov. and Dec. archives work sessions have been annulled and replaced with a single session on December 9 and 10 to avoid schedule conflicts with Thanksgiving and Christmas. (Hotel prices in Chattanooga have come down considerably.)


On 11/10/2022 4:36 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wroteu:


To all our archives volunteers and visitors, please note. We thought the Nov. and Dec. so close to both Thanksgiving and Christmas would keep even some of our stalwart volunteers from attending. 

I plan to be at the archives Thursday, Dec 8 if anyone wants to come then.

Ike

PS We have new “neighbors” on Turntable Road, four Southern coaches from the Chattanooga Choo Choo hotel

<SR coaches at Turntable Rd.jpeg>

Begin forwarded message:
From: Southern Railway Historical Association <membership@...>
Subject: The latest news for you
Date: November 10, 2022 at 1:22:23 PM EST
To: geichelberger@...
Reply-To: membership@...


locked Re: The latest news for you

Jason P
 

Dang, I was hoping those cars might be able to see active service of some sort again. Well I guess it is better than a scrap bin.

-Jason

On 11/10/2022 4:36 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


To all our archives volunteers and visitors, please note. We thought the Nov. and Dec. so close to both Thanksgiving and Christmas would keep even some of our stalwart volunteers from attending. 

I plan to be at the archives Thursday, Dec 8 if anyone wants to come then.

Ike

PS We have new “neighbors” on Turntable Road, four Southern coaches from the Chattanooga Choo Choo hotel

SR coaches at Turntable Rd.jpeg

Begin forwarded message:
From: Southern Railway Historical Association <membership@...>
Subject: The latest news for you
Date: November 10, 2022 at 1:22:23 PM EST
To: geichelberger@...
Reply-To: membership@...


It's a fact: people don't mind scrolling to read an email, as long as it's relevant and interesting. Make sure your message follows through on the promise in your subject line, and use several short paragraphs if you have a lot to say. When in doubt, challenge yourself to write less and add links that support your topic.



locked The latest news for you

George Eichelberger
 

To all our archives volunteers and visitors, please note. We thought the Nov. and Dec. so close to both Thanksgiving and Christmas would keep even some of our stalwart volunteers from attending. 

I plan to be at the archives Thursday, Dec 8 if anyone wants to come then.

Ike

PS We have new “neighbors” on Turntable Road, four Southern coaches from the Chattanooga Choo Choo hotel

SR coaches at Turntable Rd.jpeg

Begin forwarded message:

From: Southern Railway Historical Association <membership@...>
Subject: The latest news for you
Date: November 10, 2022 at 1:22:23 PM EST
To: geichelberger@...
Reply-To: membership@...

It's a fact: people don't mind scrolling to read an email, as long as it's relevant and interesting. Make sure your message follows through on the promise in your subject line, and use several short paragraphs if you have a lot to say. When in doubt, challenge yourself to write less and add links that support your topic.


locked Archives Work Sessions

Carl Ardrey
 

Due to a variety of reasons plus the upcoming holidays the November and December work sessions will be combined on a new weekend.  The next work session will be the 9th and 10th of December.

CEA

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 


locked This weekend, Saturday, November 12, 2022

Cohen Bob
 

This weekend Saturday, November 12

Just in case you forgot (or didn't know), the semi-annual Winchester Model RR club's fall train show is THIS coming weekend. Note the address below is in the Moose Lodge and is right next to the former B&O (now CSX tracks.

Hope to see you there this weekend.

Bob Cohen


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Winchester Model Railroad Club Fall sale

November 12 @ 9:00 AM

The Winchester Model Railroad Club will be holding a fall sale on Saturday November 12th. Doors open for vendors at 7 am and for the buying public at 9 am. The Moose is located at 215 East Cork Street Winchester, VA 22601.

Show admission is $5. Print this message and add your email address for our records to get a dollar off at the door. The Moose Club will provide breakfast and lunch and plenty of free parking. There is also an elevator if needed to reach the 2nd floor to see the sale.

There are free tables available for vendors just message us here on Facebook or email wmrra2016@.... We hope to see you there.

Details

Date:
November 12
Time:
9:00 AM
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Winchester Moose Lodge
215 E. Cork St.
Winchester, VA 22601
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locked Modeling the Southern.....@ 12"/1'

George Eichelberger
 

Just like in a Southern modeler’s parts box, only bigger…

The attached photo is the new center plates for NS office car 8 now being restored as Southern OC-21 at TVRM. Each weigh about 385 lbs. They are needed because the private owner of NS-8 sold the pair of six axle swing hanger trucks that Southern bought (1964?) to replace the original Pullman trucks on “Point Richmond” and the trucks TVRM obtained, from NYC business car “Hiram”, are slightly different. (Said to be the last pair of GSC trucks of that type made?)

These will allow OC-21 to be placed on the “new” six axle trucks. When that is done, the truck mounted brakes can be connected and the underbody work on the car can be done knowing everything will fit. (Water and toilet holding tanks are fabricated and installed. I’d like to see things like battery box doors hiding the modern equipment under the car. It is what car folks call a “retro mod”. To the degree possible it will look as OC-21 did in the mid 1960s but with features needed to operate today, including 480 volt “HEP”.)

Needless to say, this kind of restoration work is expensive. If anyone would like to help get a Southern official car back in service, please make a donation to TVRM. (I’m sure dinner on one of the car’s first trips can be arranged!)

Ike


locked REA 4-10-57 Order for horse car Warrenville, SC - Washington, DC

George Eichelberger
 

From the SRHA archives at TVRM:

There are several Railway Express orders for horse cars to and from the Aiken, SC area in the SRHA archives (example attached). None are for Southern horse cars as they had been converted to express only service about 1941. Most are for race horses, some for polo ponies to and from Aiken for “the season”.

Ike


locked water hatches on Southern steam tenders

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Does anyone have photos of the tender water fill hatches on various Southern railway locomotive classes, especially the K, Ks, J, H and E classes?

 

I don't know that many of the steam articles in TIES or Southern Rails have such photos.   I wasn't able to see the 401 in person since it was a part for testing when I visited Monticello, and I haven't been to Spencer since the 542 was restored cosmetically (and that may not have the original tender).   Paging through all my Tillotson, Webb, Ranks & Low, Morning Sun Color, and Prince books is unlikely to pull a good image (although I will try).

 

Any help on photos would be appreciated.  I'm sure there are drawings and photos in the archives if I can attend a work session and help out, but I'm unlikely to be able to travel there any time soon, so references to published or easily accessible photos would be greatly appreciated. 

 

This kind of detail doesn't show up in a typical ground level classic 3/4 view.

 

Dave Bott   



locked Looking for G Warren Reed

Jim King
 

If Mr. Reed is on this list, please contact me off-list.  If a list member knows how to contact him (he doesn’t respond thru his Flickr account), please contact me off-list as well.  Thanks.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 

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