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locked Re: Nov, 1976 Point Designations for Stenciling and Poolmarking cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Yes Ike, good info for modeling
Thanks
Fenton

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 11:23 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Tim:

You are certainly welcome!

I have to say, I’m never sure when I post anything from the archives to the .io group, if it’ll be anything anyone cares about. One thing I’ve learned about working with the material over the years is that there are a lot of documented “parts” that will eventually fit together.

I realize gas and hotel prices are beyond ridiculous nowadays but for anyone that can get to Chattanooga but between the SRHA and L&NHS archives (opening at the joint convention), TVRM and a lot of mainline activity on NS, there is a lot do do there.

Ike


On Jun 3, 2022, at 11:03 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

Thank you Ike for all this information from the archives.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC 
SB 76.6



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locked Re: Nov, 1976 Point Designations for Stenciling and Poolmarking cars

George Eichelberger
 

Tim:

You are certainly welcome!

I have to say, I’m never sure when I post anything from the archives to the .io group, if it’ll be anything anyone cares about. One thing I’ve learned about working with the material over the years is that there are a lot of documented “parts” that will eventually fit together.

I realize gas and hotel prices are beyond ridiculous nowadays but for anyone that can get to Chattanooga but between the SRHA and L&NHS archives (opening at the joint convention), TVRM and a lot of mainline activity on NS, there is a lot do do there.

Ike


On Jun 3, 2022, at 11:03 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

Thank you Ike for all this information from the archives.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC 
SB 76.6


locked Re: Nov, 1976 Point Designations for Stenciling and Poolmarking cars

Tim
 

Thank you Ike for all this information from the archives.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC 
SB 76.6


locked Re: C&NW, BR, D&W, HPRA&Southern and Yadkin Railroad

Matt Bumgarner
 

Email sent.


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 6:38 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Looking for experts and interested parties:

Among the Mr. Marvin Black’s major research files, Binder No 88 includes many documents, diesel orders and correspondence from and about the C&NW, BR, D&W, HPRA&Southern and Yadkin railroads. (If anyone knows all of those initials, they already begin to qualify as “knowledgable”.) The material (not yet scanned) could be made available for anyone particularly interested in those operations, esp. if they might be interested in producing an article for TIES, other historical group or commercial magazines.

Contact archives@....

Ike


locked C&NW, BR, D&W, HPRA&Southern and Yadkin Railroad

George Eichelberger
 

Looking for experts and interested parties:

Among the Mr. Marvin Black’s major research files, Binder No 88 includes many documents, diesel orders and correspondence from and about the C&NW, BR, D&W, HPRA&Southern and Yadkin railroads. (If anyone knows all of those initials, they already begin to qualify as “knowledgable”.) The material (not yet scanned) could be made available for anyone particularly interested in those operations, esp. if they might be interested in producing an article for TIES, other historical group or commercial magazines.

Contact archives@....

Ike


locked Re: Information about Southern City Yard Memphis TN in 1960s

Alexander Smart
 

Hi Gary

Thanks for your reply with helpful suggestions.
I checked out the TN valuation maps on the link, and they are very useful, lots to study.

I will now have a look at the aerial photos.

Thanks again.

Sandy
Oban, Scotland, UK


On 21 May 2022, at 14:12, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:

Hi, Sandy.

The Tennessee Comptroller's Office has valuation maps of all railroads in Tennessee available for free download at:


You will want to search Shelby County and Norfolk Southern Railway.

Aerial photos and topo maps are available for free viewing only at:


Gary E. Bechdol, PE
Stone Mountain, GA
Life Member:  SHRA, AREMA

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 8:55 AM John Stewart <bhamrails@...> wrote:
Hello Sandy and all

Some suggestions:

Try accessing Sanborn maps through the Library of Congress website

Search:  loc sanborn maps Memphis

Try contacting the Memphis Rail and Trolley Museum, Mike Fleming, President and ask for sources; he’s a model railroader and knows a lot of folks in town

Since you’re seeking 1960s info I’d suggest going to the Memphis and Shelby County Division of Planning and Development.  For example they have online mapping and likely have older mapping as well

Try:

Historic Shelby County online historic aerial photos

Hope these ideas are helpful

John Stewart
Birmingham AL






locked Re: Pro[osed Discontinuance of Trs 21-22 Between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC in 1953

George Eichelberger
 

Thanks, Tim that’s appreciated.

Ike

PS Another “shout out" is needed that people may not be aware of…..

Although it has been a number of years, the folks at the South Carolina Railroad Museum (SCRM) took it upon themselves to clean out a trove of Charleston Division documents that had been sitting in Pullman “Bizet” for years, loaded and moved it to the SRHA archives. That material has resulted in TIES articles and RPM/Convention clinics on Hospital Trains out of Charleston during WWII and shipments out of the Southern owned banana pier at Charleston among others. Their effort, in addition to material already in the archives, makes the Charleston Division one of the most well documented.)



On May 23, 2022, at 11:31 AM, Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:

Page one is the 5th attachment, with the title on top.

Thank you Ike, this is great.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Pro[osed Discontinuance of Trs 21-22 Between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC in 1953

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks I missed that
Fenton

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 11:31 AM Tim <tarumph@...> wrote:
Page one is the 5th attachment, with the title on top.

Thank you Ike, this is great.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC



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250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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locked Re: Pro[osed Discontinuance of Trs 21-22 Between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC in 1953

George Eichelberger
 

Fenton:

There is no Page 1 per se’. The original inquiry that led to the report was responded to with a cover note and the report starting with Pg 2. Bill Schaffer thinks “Page 1” was the respondent’s cover note. I agree with that because “Page 2” begins with “when the train leaves Greensboro”.

Ike

PS The binder Marvin Black put together on discontinuing trains 21/22 (it took years and multiple attempts by the railroad) probably contains 100+ pages, mostly internal memos with some local newspaper clippings. Like many (!) things in the SRHA archives, if someone is interested enough to get to Chattanooga and look through the archives, they will find material they are personally interested in or for an article for TIES, the R&LHS, "Classic Trains" magazine or whatever.

PPS For a completely honest “Editorial” comment from the SRHA Archives Director….After multiple suggestions, there have been very few cases where anybody actually followed up and went to the archives to do research. I suppose the one or two percent of people that do make it to Chattanooga, or ask if there are alternatives, make the effort worthwhile. 

(Re: “alternatives” such as “would you send me a scan of the entire file?” are usually “DOA” unless there is a very good reason for asking, living many hundreds of miles from Chattanooga, making a significant donation to the archives or being a well known, author or expert on a subject are all examples.) (A “shout out” to the Greensboro NRHS is in order. Their folks made the effort to get to Chattanooga to gather material on a book they are producing. I think it correct to say we almost “buried” them with help and access to the collections.) 



On May 23, 2022, at 10:09 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Is there a page 1?  Would love to see it
Thanks Fenton

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:22 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
A (perverse) benefit of having many train-off petitions and documents in the SRHA archives, is that they contain some of the best information on how trains were operated that the Southern wanted to eliminate (there were many in the post-war years).

The attached six pages* are part of a response to an internal request to document trains 21 and 22 between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC. Although the trains were not discontinued at that time, the response provides rare information on Southern's secondary passenger services in Eastern NC.

Ike

*PS To reduce storage space on the .io group server, several "topics", mostly contain attachments or for events that have come and gone. More will be deleted as time permits. These attachments will be deleted in a few weeks.....




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locked Re: Pro[osed Discontinuance of Trs 21-22 Between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC in 1953

Tim
 

Page one is the 5th attachment, with the title on top.

Thank you Ike, this is great.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Pro[osed Discontinuance of Trs 21-22 Between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC in 1953

O Fenton Wells
 

Is there a page 1?  Would love to see it
Thanks Fenton

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 12:22 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
A (perverse) benefit of having many train-off petitions and documents in the SRHA archives, is that they contain some of the best information on how trains were operated that the Southern wanted to eliminate (there were many in the post-war years).

The attached six pages* are part of a response to an internal request to document trains 21 and 22 between Greensboro and Goldsboro, NC. Although the trains were not discontinued at that time, the response provides rare information on Southern's secondary passenger services in Eastern NC.

Ike

*PS To reduce storage space on the .io group server, several "topics", mostly contain attachments or for events that have come and gone. More will be deleted as time permits. These attachments will be deleted in a few weeks.....



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


locked Re: ETTs for the Atlanta-Birmingham line?

George Eichelberger
 

James and everyone:

A large percentage of ALL SR ETTs are in the SRHA archives and have ben scanned. The intention has been to publish the entire collection, most likely on-line. If any SRHA members are interested, and capable, of cropping, de-skewing and organizing the scans, they can be published by operating division, years or whatever is most logical.

If interested, send an email to archives@.... Better yet make plans to come to the June archives work session to see the work already done.

Ike


On May 21, 2022, at 9:51 PM, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:

Hey all, does anyone happen to have scans of any employee timetables for the Atlanta-Birmingham line they would be willing to share? 

Timetables for the 40s and 50s would be great, but I'll gladly take anything.


locked ETTs for the Atlanta-Birmingham line?

James Walton
 

Hey all, does anyone happen to have scans of any employee timetables for the Atlanta-Birmingham line they would be willing to share? 

Timetables for the 40s and 50s would be great, but I'll gladly take anything.


locked Re: Information about Southern City Yard Memphis TN in 1960s

Gary Bechdol
 

Hi, Sandy.

The Tennessee Comptroller's Office has valuation maps of all railroads in Tennessee available for free download at:


You will want to search Shelby County and Norfolk Southern Railway.

Aerial photos and topo maps are available for free viewing only at:


Gary E. Bechdol, PE
Stone Mountain, GA
Life Member:  SHRA, AREMA

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 8:55 AM John Stewart <bhamrails@...> wrote:
Hello Sandy and all

Some suggestions:

Try accessing Sanborn maps through the Library of Congress website

Search:  loc sanborn maps Memphis

Try contacting the Memphis Rail and Trolley Museum, Mike Fleming, President and ask for sources; he’s a model railroader and knows a lot of folks in town

Since you’re seeking 1960s info I’d suggest going to the Memphis and Shelby County Division of Planning and Development.  For example they have online mapping and likely have older mapping as well

Try:

Historic Shelby County online historic aerial photos

Hope these ideas are helpful

John Stewart
Birmingham AL






locked Re: Information about Southern City Yard Memphis TN in 1960s

John Stewart
 

Hello Sandy and all

Some suggestions:

Try accessing Sanborn maps through the Library of Congress website

Search: loc sanborn maps Memphis

Try contacting the Memphis Rail and Trolley Museum, Mike Fleming, President and ask for sources; he’s a model railroader and knows a lot of folks in town

Since you’re seeking 1960s info I’d suggest going to the Memphis and Shelby County Division of Planning and Development. For example they have online mapping and likely have older mapping as well

Try:

Historic Shelby County online historic aerial photos

Hope these ideas are helpful

John Stewart
Birmingham AL


locked Re: Information about Southern City Yard Memphis TN in 1960s

Alexander Smart
 

Hello

I posted a request for information about Memphis City Yard in the 1960s yesterday.

I forgot to mention that I would also be interested in Memphis employee timetables, freight train procedures and terminal books, lists of stations and sidings, training manuals, conductors’s time books, etc. These would allow me to plan accurate switching moves for individual industries with specific classified tracks and spurs, with car capacities for each, and to correctly block freights coming from Forrest and other yards.

Finally the maps on the Condren site are not sufficient for my needs, but I’m finding it hard to access relevant Sanborn fire insurance maps from the UK.
Any large scale map of that area in the 1960s would be welcome, or suggestions for access. I need streets, tracks and businesses shown with measurements if possible.

I would of course be happy to meet appropriate expenses incurred by anyone willing to assist me in this project.

Thanks again.

Sandy Smart

On 20 May 2022, at 21:58, Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:

Mike Condron’s site is great but you already got that. I don’t know if Steve Forrest is on this group but he’d be another good source. He shot a lot of slide in that area a little later than your era but he’d know the area.

Also, please do not confuse Donnie Dixon’s site and SRHA Archives as the same material. Donnie got his collection from his own sources and not from the archives. His scans are is own work.

I look forward to seeing what you do with the layout. I grew up visiting my dad in Memphis in the 90s and early 2000s.

Jason Greene

On May 20, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Alexander Smart <agfsmart@...> wrote:

Hello

I am a SRHA member in Oban, Scotland, UK.

I would like to find more information about the Southern freight operations around City Yard Memphis, Tennessee in the 1960s. This was inspired by Zone B of a Southern Railway Track Map and Terminal Survey, Memphis TN, May 1980, which I found on a Donnie Dixon link from the SRHA.

I realise that Southern wasn’t a major player in the Memphis area, but it will allow me me interchange and transfer runs with, the IC, L&N, Frisco, Cotton Belt etc with appropriate locos and cars.

I have been constructing a small switching layout in HO based on the above, but would like to rebuild it into a larger, more accurate layout with the correct track plan, correct industries, accurate locos and rolling stock.
So far I have Memphis Furniture Mfg.Co.,Central Chemical, McDowell Industries Inc(Semmes Bag Co.), a team track and possibly Parts Inc. Getting photos of these industries has been almost impossible so far, even on the Internet.
This is the area along the Southern branch up from Forrest Yard, from Sledge St. to Linden Street.

However I need more information especially 1960s era photos of the exact area with industries, length of spurs, trackage etc.
In addition I would welcome details of switching moves, transfer runs to other yards, locos used and rosters etc.
Did Southern allow other roads to make transfer runs to City Yard or just to Forrest Yard?
I would love to justify visits from other roads’ locos to my yard.

I have been using Mike Condren’s Memphis Railroad Pages as a good source of maps and photos but have now exhausted this source.

If any members live in the Memphis area or have a knowledge of the above, I would welcome any information or suggestions.

Apologies for such a long post!

Kind regards

Sandy Smart
#9023








locked Re: Information about Southern City Yard Memphis TN in 1960s

Jason Greene
 

Mike Condron’s site is great but you already got that. I don’t know if Steve Forrest is on this group but he’d be another good source. He shot a lot of slide in that area a little later than your era but he’d know the area.

Also, please do not confuse Donnie Dixon’s site and SRHA Archives as the same material. Donnie got his collection from his own sources and not from the archives. His scans are is own work.

I look forward to seeing what you do with the layout. I grew up visiting my dad in Memphis in the 90s and early 2000s.

Jason Greene

On May 20, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Alexander Smart <agfsmart@...> wrote:

Hello

I am a SRHA member in Oban, Scotland, UK.

I would like to find more information about the Southern freight operations around City Yard Memphis, Tennessee in the 1960s. This was inspired by Zone B of a Southern Railway Track Map and Terminal Survey, Memphis TN, May 1980, which I found on a Donnie Dixon link from the SRHA.

I realise that Southern wasn’t a major player in the Memphis area, but it will allow me me interchange and transfer runs with, the IC, L&N, Frisco, Cotton Belt etc with appropriate locos and cars.

I have been constructing a small switching layout in HO based on the above, but would like to rebuild it into a larger, more accurate layout with the correct track plan, correct industries, accurate locos and rolling stock.
So far I have Memphis Furniture Mfg.Co.,Central Chemical, McDowell Industries Inc(Semmes Bag Co.), a team track and possibly Parts Inc. Getting photos of these industries has been almost impossible so far, even on the Internet.
This is the area along the Southern branch up from Forrest Yard, from Sledge St. to Linden Street.

However I need more information especially 1960s era photos of the exact area with industries, length of spurs, trackage etc.
In addition I would welcome details of switching moves, transfer runs to other yards, locos used and rosters etc.
Did Southern allow other roads to make transfer runs to City Yard or just to Forrest Yard?
I would love to justify visits from other roads’ locos to my yard.

I have been using Mike Condren’s Memphis Railroad Pages as a good source of maps and photos but have now exhausted this source.

If any members live in the Memphis area or have a knowledge of the above, I would welcome any information or suggestions.

Apologies for such a long post!

Kind regards

Sandy Smart
#9023





locked Information about Southern City Yard Memphis TN in 1960s

Alexander Smart
 

Hello

I am a SRHA member in Oban, Scotland, UK.

I would like to find more information about the Southern freight operations around City Yard Memphis, Tennessee in the 1960s. This was inspired by Zone B of a Southern Railway Track Map and Terminal Survey, Memphis TN, May 1980, which I found on a Donnie Dixon link from the SRHA.

I realise that Southern wasn’t a major player in the Memphis area, but it will allow me me interchange and transfer runs with, the IC, L&N, Frisco, Cotton Belt etc with appropriate locos and cars.

I have been constructing a small switching layout in HO based on the above, but would like to rebuild it into a larger, more accurate layout with the correct track plan, correct industries, accurate locos and rolling stock.
So far I have Memphis Furniture Mfg.Co.,Central Chemical, McDowell Industries Inc(Semmes Bag Co.), a team track and possibly Parts Inc. Getting photos of these industries has been almost impossible so far, even on the Internet.
This is the area along the Southern branch up from Forrest Yard, from Sledge St. to Linden Street.

However I need more information especially 1960s era photos of the exact area with industries, length of spurs, trackage etc.
In addition I would welcome details of switching moves, transfer runs to other yards, locos used and rosters etc.
Did Southern allow other roads to make transfer runs to City Yard or just to Forrest Yard?
I would love to justify visits from other roads’ locos to my yard.

I have been using Mike Condren’s Memphis Railroad Pages as a good source of maps and photos but have now exhausted this source.

If any members live in the Memphis area or have a knowledge of the above, I would welcome any information or suggestions.

Apologies for such a long post!

Kind regards

Sandy Smart
#9023


locked Unsubscription - Gladhand1@comcast.net has left main@SouthernRailway.groups.io

George Eichelberger
 

As one of the SRHA people that handle the SR.io group, a notice comes to me whenever anyone joins or leaves the group. 

This one, for long time SRHA member Dick Fisher, was a sad reminder that, last year, we lost an extremely knowledgable member that had a wealth of railroad experience….and was a really, really nice guy! I appreciate being reminded about Dick but sad to think again he is lost to us.

The "Green Light” shined a little dimmer with his passing….

Ike

PS Might Bill Schafer post Dick’s mention in the current TIES Magazine “I have finished my course” for all to see?



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Ed Burnett
 

How are you doing, Can I ask a favor?

Edward

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