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moderated Pulpwood loads

Jim King
 

Attached are 2 pix showing 1 of 6 wood racks that I’m trying to finish (built at Spencer 1951-52 from 40’ double sheathed wood boxes).  This is one of the last kits I produced before selling the HO line to Wright Trak 7 years ago.  In exchange for some S scale kits, Jim Schall, noted S scale modeler who’s also a graphic artist by trade, built 6 cars for me minus lettering.  He simulated bark remnants on the deck with tea leaves (really clever).  Since he built these for me, I’ve moved the modeling era back to 1957-62 so 3 or 4 of the cars will be repainted black from the current Southern Frt Car Red.  Roman lettering was applied to brown/red cars starting in late 1957 but, since wood racks were about as low on the priority list as a freight car could get, especially since they didn’t typically interchange, it was common to see black cars with Roman lettering into the early 70s when these cars started down the retirement path.

 

The load shown is made from Christmas tree (pine) clippings.  A lot of work and I’m not pleased with the dark core.  New pulpwood, whether pine or hardwood, should be more tan/yellowish, not light brown.  I like the real bark but what you see in the pic is an entire 5-ft Christmas tree and I simply don’t have enough material, time or interest to continue down this path.  Not only do I have 6 loads to build, I also need loose and stacked piles for the wood yard.  Also note that, after the yellow glue used to attach sticks together has dried overnight, there is considerable shrinkage (over 1/8”) and a thin stack tends to bow up.  This experiment will end up in the wood yard.

 

I’ve tried wood dowels and like that approach.  Razor-sawn sides create believable grooves, followed by reddish-brown stain (for pine), then cut to 4.5” lengths.  The saw cuts simulate a chain saw better than a NWSL Chopper on tree twigs and several dowels can be sawn into sections at a time.  I also like how the stain migrates only slightly into the dowel, thereby creating the illusion of bark with a tan core.  The problem I’m running into is finding suitable diameter dowels in bulk.  I need 1/16, 3/32 and 1/8” diameters to simulate 6-12” (ish).  Local craft stores only stock 1/16 and 3/16.  Home Depot has nothing smaller than 3/16.  Can someone recommend a source for these 3 sizes in bulk?  MicroMark sells 20-packs of 12” long pieces but I’m looking for longer pieces and in all 3 diameters.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


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Jim King
www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

moderated Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale

C J Wyatt
 

Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Southern Railway Contracts List V2

George Eichelberger
 

The project to scan all of the Southern contracts in the SRHA archives is moving along. There are still a few to be located and scanned but it will not be long before the effort become part of SRHA's permanent digital file. Last weekend's work session was well attended but we were so busy we did not resolve how we would make copies of various digital items available. We recognize that with SRHA and TVRM's $1M plus investment in the building and purchased collections, taking the time and effort to do the scans and then simply making them available at no cost is not sensible (although we would all prefer to do that).

Contact us at archives@... if you are interested in a particular contract. They can certainly be emailed if folks are willing to make a small donation. If anyone is serious about researching an article for TIES, we can help by making contracts on that topic available.

This is V2 of the list as of today, there will be additions and corrections as we work toward the final version. The next TIES will have an article on the contracts and a second article on Hampton, FL that illustrates how useful the contracts are when doing research.

Dates for the archives work sessions through the end of the year are on the SRHA web home page at www.srha.net.

Ike

moderated Re: Southern Railway Contracts List V2

A&Y Dave in MD
 

While it would require a further investment of volunteered skilled time on our website, the way N&WHS offers scans for sale in their Commissary seems a reasonable model. Most people researching today will pay the cost of production for access to historical data.  You could offer credits towards future scans to authors of articles in TIES to subsidize the proper use of the materials in support of SRHA’s mission.

My $0.02.

Dave


On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:58 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The project to scan all of the Southern contracts in the SRHA archives is moving along. There are still a few to be located and scanned but it will not be long before the effort become part of SRHA's permanent digital file. Last weekend's work session was well attended but we were so busy we did not resolve how we would make copies of various digital items available. We recognize that with SRHA and TVRM's $1M plus investment in the building and purchased collections, taking the time and effort to do the scans and then simply making them available at no cost is not sensible (although we would all prefer to do that).

Contact us at archives@... if you are interested in a particular contract. They can certainly be emailed if folks are willing to make a small donation. If anyone is serious about researching an article for TIES, we can help by making contracts on that topic available.

This is V2 of the list as of today, there will be additions and corrections as we work toward the final version. The next TIES will have an article on the contracts and a second article on Hampton, FL that illustrates how useful the contracts are when doing research.

Dates for the archives work sessions through the end of the year are on the SRHA web home page at www.srha.net.

Ike
<SRHA scanned contracts 6-27-2019.docx>

moderated Re: Southern Railway Contracts List V2

George Eichelberger
 

Dave:

(A quick comment about the N&WHS and SRHA: Both groups have a commitment to pass “home road” material back and forth no questions asked. No swaps or “prisoner exchanges” are needed. That is one reason we have always had the cooperation of NS when they have historical material. They don’t want to be in the middle of an argument between historical groups and just want to know items will find their proper home.)

I agree that the N&WHS is a good example. Our (everybody’s) concern is to avoid the ridiculous pricing we see from typical museums and archives. Particularly now that the technology had moved beyond “wet paper” photo prints, amounts such as $10 for an 8x10 print, then seeing numbers like $20 per print for publishing rights are absurd.

There is a flip side tho’. If we begin by saying everything is free, a few people will simply ask for everything to build their own “archives”. Your comment about credits is right on… Actually, I don’t think we have EVER charged anyone for anything. If someone comes to the archives to do some serious research…and we see they are serious, they usually leave with whatever they need. Some may make a small donation but we don’t make a  big deal about it.

Where donations, or payments, really are necessary is when people want to print or scan more than a few copies of a document or a photo. We’ve invested in some good quality scanners and printers that will not last forever and ink for the printers has to be paid for and replaced.

The hardest thing to explain is when people want us to spend a lot of time researching or scanning THEIR project. Aside from the fact that we need to give priority to research for TIES, then model manufacturers, then what our volunteers are interested in…..it’s difficult to do other projects. (Note “serious” kicks in again here, if someone is doing research for a PhD, a commercial magazine article and such, we’ll do whatever we can to help.)

That’s my $.05 on a really complex topic.

Ike


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:24 AM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

While it would require a further investment of volunteered skilled time on our website, the way N&WHS offers scans for sale in their Commissary seems a reasonable model. Most people researching today will pay the cost of production for access to historical data.  You could offer credits towards future scans to authors of articles in TIES to subsidize the proper use of the materials in support of SRHA’s mission.

My $0.02.

Dave


On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:58 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The project to scan all of the Southern contracts in the SRHA archives is moving along. There are still a few to be located and scanned but it will not be long before the effort become part of SRHA's permanent digital file. Last weekend's work session was well attended but we were so busy we did not resolve how we would make copies of various digital items available. We recognize that with SRHA and TVRM's $1M plus investment in the building and purchased collections, taking the time and effort to do the scans and then simply making them available at no cost is not sensible (although we would all prefer to do that).

Contact us at archives@... if you are interested in a particular contract. They can certainly be emailed if folks are willing to make a small donation. If anyone is serious about researching an article for TIES, we can help by making contracts on that topic available.

This is V2 of the list as of today, there will be additions and corrections as we work toward the final version. The next TIES will have an article on the contracts and a second article on Hampton, FL that illustrates how useful the contracts are when doing research.

Dates for the archives work sessions through the end of the year are on the SRHA web home page at www.srha.net.

Ike
<SRHA scanned contracts 6-27-2019.docx>

moderated Re: Southern Railway Contracts List V2

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Another model which i think SRHA already follows (to address the ‘do my research for me’ request) is the National Archives & Records Administration site in College Park. You can access the materials for free if you show up in person and they have a list of local students and professionals who charge an hourly rate to conduct the research and send the results.

It is a complex problem!

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jun 27, 2019, at 1:02 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Dave:

(A quick comment about the N&WHS and SRHA: Both groups have a commitment to pass “home road” material back and forth no questions asked. No swaps or “prisoner exchanges” are needed. That is one reason we have always had the cooperation of NS when they have historical material. They don’t want to be in the middle of an argument between historical groups and just want to know items will find their proper home.)

I agree that the N&WHS is a good example. Our (everybody’s) concern is to avoid the ridiculous pricing we see from typical museums and archives. Particularly now that the technology had moved beyond “wet paper” photo prints, amounts such as $10 for an 8x10 print, then seeing numbers like $20 per print for publishing rights are absurd.

There is a flip side tho’. If we begin by saying everything is free, a few people will simply ask for everything to build their own “archives”. Your comment about credits is right on… Actually, I don’t think we have EVER charged anyone for anything. If someone comes to the archives to do some serious research…and we see they are serious, they usually leave with whatever they need. Some may make a small donation but we don’t make a  big deal about it.

Where donations, or payments, really are necessary is when people want to print or scan more than a few copies of a document or a photo. We’ve invested in some good quality scanners and printers that will not last forever and ink for the printers has to be paid for and replaced.

The hardest thing to explain is when people want us to spend a lot of time researching or scanning THEIR project. Aside from the fact that we need to give priority to research for TIES, then model manufacturers, then what our volunteers are interested in…..it’s difficult to do other projects. (Note “serious” kicks in again here, if someone is doing research for a PhD, a commercial magazine article and such, we’ll do whatever we can to help.)

That’s my $.05 on a really complex topic.

Ike


On Jun 27, 2019, at 10:24 AM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

While it would require a further investment of volunteered skilled time on our website, the way N&WHS offers scans for sale in their Commissary seems a reasonable model. Most people researching today will pay the cost of production for access to historical data.  You could offer credits towards future scans to authors of articles in TIES to subsidize the proper use of the materials in support of SRHA’s mission.

My $0.02.

Dave


On Jun 27, 2019, at 8:58 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

The project to scan all of the Southern contracts in the SRHA archives is moving along. There are still a few to be located and scanned but it will not be long before the effort become part of SRHA's permanent digital file. Last weekend's work session was well attended but we were so busy we did not resolve how we would make copies of various digital items available. We recognize that with SRHA and TVRM's $1M plus investment in the building and purchased collections, taking the time and effort to do the scans and then simply making them available at no cost is not sensible (although we would all prefer to do that).

Contact us at archives@... if you are interested in a particular contract. They can certainly be emailed if folks are willing to make a small donation. If anyone is serious about researching an article for TIES, we can help by making contracts on that topic available.

This is V2 of the list as of today, there will be additions and corrections as we work toward the final version. The next TIES will have an article on the contracts and a second article on Hampton, FL that illustrates how useful the contracts are when doing research.

Dates for the archives work sessions through the end of the year are on the SRHA web home page at www.srha.net.

Ike
<SRHA scanned contracts 6-27-2019.docx>

moderated 1945 timetable info needed

Charles Powell
 

I am helping a writer friend with a historical novel that takes place in 1945. His characters are going from Warm Springs, GA to Washington, DC. So far I have found a 1950s SR passenger Timetable that shows the line from McDonough GA to Columbus, GA as freight only. I am guessing that there might still have been passenger service in the 1940s. Does anybody have 1940s passenger timetable or know where online I could find the info? If SR was still running passenger trains to Columbus would they originated out of Atlanta or would you have to change trains at McDonough? Any help would be appreciated.
Charlie Powell

moderated Re: 1945 timetable info needed

George Eichelberger
 

Charlie:

The archives project to scan every available Southern System ETT and PTT is almost complete. I’ll ask if a 40s version of either showing Warm Springs has been scanned and see if we can post a copy. We have not decided, but I expect, to create DVD’s with all of the scans.

If anyone has SRS ETTs or PTTs, please let us know in case you can fill in a gap.

Also Re Warm Springs: I have almost finished scanning a file that describes the details of many of FDR’s POTUS specials to Warm Springs and elsewhere. The trains were typically seven cars including a Pullman Club (the first car in the consist) that carried the Presidents’ Packard auto.

My father was a US Marine on FDR’s guard detail before the war and traveled with the President a number of times. A wood ramp was carried with the Packard to load and unload it. There was contention between the Marines and railroad people because they wanted the Marines to deal with the ramp. The Marines were told they were to guard the President, not be baggage handlers.


On Jun 29, 2019, at 12:21 PM, Charles Powell <charlesspowell@...> wrote:

I am helping a writer friend with a historical novel that takes place in 1945. His characters are going from Warm Springs, GA to Washington, DC. So far I have found a 1950s SR passenger Timetable that shows the line from McDonough GA to Columbus, GA as freight only. I am guessing that there might still have been passenger service in the 1940s. Does anybody have 1940s passenger timetable or know where online I could find the info? If SR was still running passenger trains to Columbus would they originated out of Atlanta or would you have to change trains at McDonough? Any help would be appreciated.
Charlie Powell

moderated Re: 1945 timetable info needed

C J Wyatt
 

The May 1945 Official Guide shows train no. 24 departing Warm Springs GA at 9:37 am and arriving Atlanta at 12:30 pm. If the passenger is going via Pullman, No. 38, The Crescent, departed Atlanta at 1:35 pm. The passenger could catch No. 40 leaving at 1:55 pm if traveling in coach, but No. 40 also had a diner as far as Charlotte, as well as a NY Pullman line and a DC one, too.

Do you have a specific date in 1945 which you are looking for?

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, June 29, 2019, 12:21:39 PM EDT, Charles Powell <charlesspowell@...> wrote:


I am helping a writer friend with a historical novel that takes place in 1945. His characters are going from Warm Springs, GA to Washington, DC. So far I have found a 1950s SR passenger Timetable that shows the line from McDonough GA to Columbus, GA as freight only. I am guessing that there might still have been passenger service in the 1940s. Does anybody have 1940s passenger timetable or know where online I could find the info? If SR was still running passenger trains to Columbus would they originated out of Atlanta or would you have to change trains at McDonough? Any help would be appreciated.
Charlie Powell

moderated Re: 1945 timetable info needed

George Eichelberger
 

Let me clarify a bit about Pullman "club cars" carrying FDR's auto...On Jun 29, 2019, at 3:18 PM, Charles Powell wrote:

George,
I was interested in what you said about your father being on FDR's security detail prior to the war and the POTUS specials to Warm Springs. I knew that the president's car traveled with him, but I not sure I follow you on loading the Packard into a Pullman Club? I usually think of a club car as a lounge car…..

Charles:
The car is identified differently on the documentation for various trips: “Pullman club”, "Pullman club car” and “Pullman club-baggage" are all used with Pullman club-baggage being the most common.

The chapter on Southern’s “Crescent Limited” in Arthur Dubin’s “Some Classic Trains” (Pg 116) includes a photo of club car “William Moultrie” that shows and describes a lounge-baggage configuration. In Duban’s book, the same type car is shown in the B&O “Capitol Limited” and other trains, including the Santa Fe “Chief”, all are referred to as "club cars”. Was the “club” portion of those cars considered rather “high class” and “baggage” was not, thus the truncated name?

A December, 1938 trip to Warm Springs, GA included Pullman club car “Barren Hill”. A POTUS to the west coast in Jul, 1938 used club car “Long Island”. For the June 10 and 11, 1940 trip from Washington to Charlottesville then to Hyde Park, NY, Feb 14 and 15 (Washington to Pensacola) the first car was AC equipped Pullman Club-Baggage Car "Liberty Cap”. In the majority of cases, the club or club-baggage car is unnamed.

“The President Travels by Train” by Bob Withers (Pg 136) mentions “Beginning in 1942, this assignment was filled by B&O combination passenger-baggage coach 1401 under lease to the government” but there is no record for wartime POTUS trains in the SRHA file.

So…is calling club-baggage cars “club” cars simply an abbreviation or the standard of the period?

Ike

PS Further reading in the file mentions a ramp for FDR to use to get off his car. Does that imply a ramp for the auto, and the auto, was not on some trips that included a “club” car?

moderated Speeder setouts

pschmidt3013@...
 

Can anyone direct me please to a plan or photo(s) for a typical Southern speeder setout? I'm looking specifically for a location where a signal maintainer/track inspector would clear up to allow trains to pass, not the section house or speeder shed.

Thank you,
--
Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA

moderated Re: Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale UPDATE

C J Wyatt
 

I appreciate the orders which I received. Except for a mail order received today that was expected, all orders have been shipped and the buyers should have received them by now. If you have ordered, but have not received the decals yet, please let me know. I have put the remaining stock on eBay as a fixed price, buy it now sale. The most popular order quantity size was what I called four sets containing enough material for six cars. That was offered at $12 and I have revised shipping down to $3 based on experience. As of now, I only have tens of these left. Searching on "Southern passenger car decals" should get to the listing, but if you have any trouble, contact me via  "reply to sender", not group.

I appreciate you interests, and the response is encouraging me to think about doing some products for the passenger car modeler market.

Jack Wyatt 


On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Re: Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale UPDATE

Gary Bechdol
 

Thanks for your work on the decals, Jack.   Now I will have to build some baggage express cars to put them on 


Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
I appreciate the orders which I received. Except for a mail order received today that was expected, all orders have been shipped and the buyers should have received them by now. If you have ordered, but have not received the decals yet, please let me know. I have put the remaining stock on eBay as a fixed price, buy it now sale. The most popular order quantity size was what I called four sets containing enough material for six cars. That was offered at $12 and I have revised shipping down to $3 based on experience. As of now, I only have tens of these left. Searching on "Southern passenger car decals" should get to the listing, but if you have any trouble, contact me via  "reply to sender", not group.

I appreciate you interests, and the response is encouraging me to think about doing some products for the passenger car modeler market.

Jack Wyatt 


On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Re: Southern Rwy. HW passenger car decals, Gothic (block), HO scale UPDATE

C J Wyatt
 

Appreciate it! I am looking at ways to revive my Southern Rwy. baggage car project and maybe a few other things.

Jack

On Monday, July 8, 2019, 03:09:08 PM EDT, Gary Bechdol <garyeb1947@...> wrote:


Thanks for your work on the decals, Jack.   Now I will have to build some baggage express cars to put them on 


Gary Bechdol
Stone Mountain, Ga 

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 3:01 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
I appreciate the orders which I received. Except for a mail order received today that was expected, all orders have been shipped and the buyers should have received them by now. If you have ordered, but have not received the decals yet, please let me know. I have put the remaining stock on eBay as a fixed price, buy it now sale. The most popular order quantity size was what I called four sets containing enough material for six cars. That was offered at $12 and I have revised shipping down to $3 based on experience. As of now, I only have tens of these left. Searching on "Southern passenger car decals" should get to the listing, but if you have any trouble, contact me via  "reply to sender", not group.

I appreciate you interests, and the response is encouraging me to think about doing some products for the passenger car modeler market.

Jack Wyatt 


On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 11:14:30 PM EDT, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


Some of you may remember that a couple of decades ago I tried to produce a Southern Railway heavyweight baggage-express HO kit in resin, but did not complete the project. I had decals printed by Rail Graphics for the car in Southern's gothic (block style) with imitation gold color. These would be good from 1941 until Southern started using the metallic appearing Scotchcal in mid-1956. The decals are very good and accurate. I scanned Southern Rwy. drawings of the letters and figures  from the SRHA archives and traced over them with a CAD program to produce the artwork. Unfortunately I did not include items to make it a general purpose set, but it is good for baggage-express cars and also Southern Railway coaches if you can find a 3/4 in. decal stripe to be used on the bottom of the coach side, or paint and mask one yourself.

I've decided to sell off my stock of them. If anyone is interested, send me an email by hitting the 'reply to sender' button. Please be careful not to post to the group instead. Images are attached. My car side with the decals applied has suffered from being tossed in a box, but you can get the picture.

Jack Wyatt

moderated Groups and Paint

milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...>
 

This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io

 

 

The things I don’t know:

 

1. What’s up with photo/files/messages

2 Depot Paint

 

Why we have members asking about files and photos…

 

 

 

Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.

 

At Yahoogroup.

 

Southern_Railway and Southern Railway Modeler exist.

 

Southern_Railway (Yahoo) indicates 896 member (active -unknown)

It has a file and photo section that members CAN access.

 

Southern Railway Modelers (Yahoo- Southernmodeler) 828 members. It has Files and Photos section.

 

As far as I know neither Yahoogroup has direct ties to SRHA…

 

And then there are the groups at groups.io:

 

SouthernRailway

A “main group” with 132 members

Only photos are those which have been “pulled from email attachments and no files.

Under this is a sub-group

ModelingTheSouthern with 21 members

Again ONLY photos are those sent as attachments (SIX as of this writing)

 

If you are confused at this point- welcome to the club.

 

The groups.io seem to be associated with SRHA (but this might not be true)

 

So it would appear that we have “diversity” of discussion groups and anyone interested in Southern Railway needs to have their feet planted “firmly” in two worlds. As I said it reminds me of ancient history when SRHS and SRHA existed.

 

I’m not sure who the owners/moderators are of any of the groups not that it matters but it is a shame we can’t all get on the same page regardless…

 

 

 

So.. it looks like you’ll have to do what I’ve been doing… have membership in both Yahoogroups and groups.io. (I’m not even sure whether these two providers will welcome discussion groups long term.)

 

FYI- I migrated a group from Yahoo to groups.io a while back because it was better supported at groups.io. To each his own.

 

But the next time you see a member say… but I can’t post a file or a photo…. you’ll know why.

 

 

NOW TO MY SOUTHERN RAILWAY MESSAGE!

 

 

2 DEPOT PAINT

 

The color of depots on the Southern Murphy Branch circa 1942.

Based on a photo of Whittier (circa 1909) Seems to be the yellow/green scheme

Bushnell Clodfelter photo *(circa 1916) and TVA Archives (yellow/green)

Balsam – a few early photos (yellow/green)

 

It would seem that depots were the pre-1925 scheme unless they needed painting. (including white trim??)

I have not found any photos which appear to be the green with yellow trim.

Yes there are photo of the post 1945 scheme of gray with white trim.

 

BTW, the yellow used at Montpelier station (you can find photos on line are based on mass-spec analysis of paint layers done during a very good restoration effort.

 

Now some depots that have been restored do show the yellow. Some show the yellow/green. Some have red doors some have yellow white.

 

If anyone has definitive info on any depot paint with time etc. A few of us might be interested.


Gordon Andrews

 

moderated Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Groups and Paint

George Eichelberger
 

Gordon:

For "The things I don’t know”, might you contact the group owners or moderators for answers?

The SouthernRailway, ModelingTheSouthern, and SRHA.io groups are all affiliated with the Southern Railway Historical Association……is that not obvious by the amount of information they include from the SRHA archives?

I won’t take the bandwidth to attempt to answer your questions but here is a question from me?
How, exactly, did SRHA and SRHS “co-exist”? What do you know about how either organization was chartered or organized? What happened to SRHS assets?


On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:10 PM, milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:

This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io

 

The things I don’t know:

 

1. What’s up with photo/files/messages

2 Depot Paint

 

Why we have members asking about files and photos…

 

Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.

 


moderated Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] Groups and Paint

Robert Hanson
 

George - 

Contact me off-list and I'll tell you - or at least TRY to tell you - about the SRHS/SRHA thing.

Long, long, story.

Bob Hanson


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From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Tue, Jul 9, 2019 12:30 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] [ModelingTheSouthern] Groups and Paint

Gordon:

For "The things I don’t know”, might you contact the group owners or moderators for answers?

The SouthernRailway, ModelingTheSouthern, and SRHA.io groups are all affiliated with the Southern Railway Historical Association……is that not obvious by the amount of information they include from the SRHA archives?

I won’t take the bandwidth to attempt to answer your questions but here is a question from me?
How, exactly, did SRHA and SRHS “co-exist”? What do you know about how either organization was chartered or organized? What happened to SRHS assets?


On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:10 PM, milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:
This IS being cross-posted to the two yahoogroups and the groups.io
 
The things I don’t know:
 
1. What’s up with photo/files/messages
2 Depot Paint
 
Why we have members asking about files and photos…
 
Now to the various and sundry internet discussion groups- shades of the old days when SRHS and SRHA co-existed.
 

moderated Southern Railway Presidents' Files Finding Aid DRAFT Version

George Eichelberger
 

They are not perfect but the enclosed Google Drive link will allow everyone to download a copy of the current draft of the Southern Railway Presidents' Files Finding Aids.

We need to begin an archives work session project to "QC" each entry against the contents of the files and make whatever corrections or additions we need. You'll note the intro to each year mentions the entry is "representative" of its contents. The folder includes MS Word or Excel files for each year since the formation of the Southern. (The Google Drive viewer appears to want to alter the Excel files but let's simply ignore that for now. It may be best to download them...)

The link (open in your browser) is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tqb3kBvEvyRo5dRvJcPmL7KfW0M1nA-4?usp=sharing

I find myself constantly wanting to "click" on an entry so I can see the entire file (some have 200 pages). Maybe someday, with enough volunteer or paid help, that will be possible but for now folks will need to go the the archives to see their contents. Please understand, we do not have enough volunteers to respond to all requests for copies or scans. Priority will go to anyone working on articles for TIES, another historical group's publication or one of the commercial magazines. If anyone has ideas of how we might obtain a grant, we could pay students from the Univ of TN-Chattanooga to help.

Either plan on attending one of our third-weekend work sessions or send an email to archives@... if you plan to be at TVRM on other days so you can access the files and do your own research. (Looking though files and seeing 4501 under steam just across the street is worth the trip.)

Ike 

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

George Eichelberger
 

I notice no one has responded to this post yet. Although I cannot locate my copies of the Southern Railway standards books, if someone can look there, they may (!!) include plans for a track speeder set-out track with recommendations as to where they should be located. I am heading to the archives on Friday, I'll look at the different versions we have there.

Ike

moderated Re: Speeder setouts

pschmidt3013@...
 

Thank you, Ike.
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Paul Schmidt
Sequim WA