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Jim King
Speedwitch is the only other source for HO Southern low side gon kits besides mine (that were sold only thru SRHA). Like most of Speedwitch’s kits, you have to find them on the secondary market. Ted’s was a 9-rib version with 2-rib ends and suitable for 1924-ish into the 70s in MOW service.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
-- Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Curt Fortenberry
The CofG #665 is one of the cars that came to Alaska RR. Curt Fortenberry
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C J Wyatt
The question is scale. Jim King knows that my interest is S, presumably David and Dan are HO and Jim has re-entered the O-scale market. Jack Wyatt
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 02:14:04 PM EDT, Dan Miller <danieljmiller@...> wrote:
I'll add to Jack and Dave's interest in an un-rebuilt gon kit. Dan Miller On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:35 AM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:
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Dan Miller
I'll add to Jack and Dave's interest in an un-rebuilt gon kit. Dan Miller
On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 10:35 AM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:
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Jack has a more direct way of getting to the point...so I’ll follow his lead:
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Anything for 1934? Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone
On Aug 7, 2019, at 12:40 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
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The pictures went to Charlie Poling and Chris Williams. Their company, East Tn Railcar owns the car. It is currently in storage awaiting restoration. It’s safe and in a good home.
On Aug 7, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:
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C J Wyatt
Any hope of producing a kit of the un-rebuilt car? Jack
On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 12:32:05 PM EDT, Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:
Not all 9-ribbers were rebuilt in 1945; some lasted as-built well into the 60s based on photos.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
-- Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Jim King
Not all 9-ribbers were rebuilt in 1945; some lasted as-built well into the 60s based on photos.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
-- Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Ed Mims
Kevin,
Thanks for the info. I sent all of the photos in my collection of the Fort Benning (interior and exterior) to someone at SARM and I’m now wondering what the status of that car is. I believe it was owned by two of the SARM members who planned to restore it. Do you know who this was and what progress they have made? I lost my record of who the photos went to.
Ed
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 11:55 AM To: main@southernrailway.groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River
Ed
That photo was taken in Oak Ridge at SARM. When we received the car it didn’t look that good. With a lot of work by our volunteer staff, the car was restored to match the Fort Oglethorpe, also at SARM. Both cars made it to Southern and both wore the standard (by that time) Southern black roof and monogram. And both retained their names. They are very noticeable in Southern passenger train pictures because of their skirts. In another note, the building in the background is a gaseous diffusion enrichment facility to produce bomb-grade material. It was torn down several years ago, along with most of the buildings at the former K-25 facility.
Kevin
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Ed
That photo was taken in Oak Ridge at SARM. When we received the car it didn’t look that good. With a lot of work by our volunteer staff, the car was restored to match the Fort Oglethorpe, also at SARM. Both cars made it to Southern and both wore
the standard (by that time) Southern black roof and monogram. And both retained their names. They are very noticeable in Southern passenger train pictures because of their skirts.
In another note, the building in the background is a gaseous diffusion enrichment facility to produce bomb-grade material. It was torn down several years ago, along with most of the buildings at the former K-25 facility.
Kevin
On Aug 7, 2019, at 11:12 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:
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Ed Mims
Ed, Thanks for the photo. I have not seen this and was not aware that the car kept its name and number into the Southern era. The 54-seat Budd coaches were very nice cars. Thank you very much.
Ed Mims
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edwin Locklin
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 11:02 AM To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River
Mr. Mims,
I happen to have the attached photo of #665 with painted black smooth roof and ‘Fort McPherson’ on the nameplate. Enjoy!
Ed Locklin at mp367.
From: Ed Mims Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:25 PM To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River
Kevin,
I’ve been searching my files to find a photo of 665 after repairs were made but must not have one. I’m beginning to believe that you are correct in that Southern applied the smooth roof but I have always thought differently. I recall the car coming into Jacksonville in about 1965 on the Ponce de Leon with a smooth roof and with Central of Georgia still on the letter board.
Ed
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Ed
You wouldn’t happen to have a picture of the car post wreck but prior to going to Southern? I don’t, but would love to see it. I question that Budd applied the smooth roof, primarily because they would still have the tooling set up to remove the damaged portions of the original roof and replace them with fluted material. In looking at some of the repairs done on the car by Budd, they pretty well stuck to their going practice at the time-which meant fluted roofs all the way through the Amfleet cars. Not saying it didn’t happen, but my bet is Southern did it since other Budds in the fleet received the same treatment.
Kevin
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Mr. Mims,
I happen to have the attached photo of #665 with painted black smooth roof
and ‘Fort McPherson’ on the nameplate. Enjoy!
Ed Locklin at mp367.
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Mims
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:25 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River Kevin,
I’ve been searching my files to find a photo of 665 after repairs were made but must not have one. I’m beginning to believe that you are correct in that Southern applied the smooth roof but I have always thought differently. I recall the car coming into Jacksonville in about 1965 on the Ponce de Leon with a smooth roof and with Central of Georgia still on the letter board.
Ed
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main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Ed
You wouldn’t happen to have a picture of the car post wreck but prior to going to Southern? I don’t, but would love to see it. I question that Budd applied the smooth roof, primarily because they would still have the tooling set up to remove the damaged portions of the original roof and replace them with fluted material. In looking at some of the repairs done on the car by Budd, they pretty well stuck to their going practice at the time-which meant fluted roofs all the way through the Amfleet cars. Not saying it didn’t happen, but my bet is Southern did it since other Budds in the fleet received the same treatment.
Kevin
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Marv Clemons
I stand corrected. To further the argument, If you wanted the livery to be true to the car's original heritage, it would be in Pullman's two-tone grey as delivered to the SP. Heritage aside, I appreciate your raitonale for wanting the car in Tuscan, otherwise your Summerville consist would resemble Amtrak's "early circus" color scheme.
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Ed Mims
Thanks Kevin. I’m interested in what you find out so please keep me informed.
The Central of Georgia did join Amtrak on April 1, 1971. This was a very controversial move by Southern as owner of the CofGa and not join themselves. This allowed the discontinuance of the Nancy Hanks, the Seminole and the City of Miami. The Man O’war had been discontinued previously--don’t recall the date. David Payne will know.
Ed
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:33 PM To: main@southernrailway.groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River
Ed
I’m not saying I know it all, but since I’ve been working on helping get it restored for a while, I’m at least pretty familiar with it. And it’s twin the Fort Oglethorpe. Somewhere (there’s a big word) in the SRHA archives, the car files show it, the Mitchell and Oglethorpe going to Hayne shortly after the merger. Southern did work on the cars-which if memory serves was desperately needed by that time. It wasn’t until March of 1971 that the ownership of the Central cars was transferred to Southern. Probably in an attempt to preclude Amtrak from taking possession of them since I believe Central technically joined Amtrak on April 1. So it makes sense that Southern could have done the work prior to a change on the letterboard.
Kevin
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Ed
I’m not saying I know it all, but since I’ve been working on helping get it restored for a while, I’m at least pretty familiar with it. And it’s twin the Fort Oglethorpe. Somewhere (there’s a big word) in the SRHA archives, the car files show
it, the Mitchell and Oglethorpe going to Hayne shortly after the merger. Southern did work on the cars-which if memory serves was desperately needed by that time. It wasn’t until March of 1971 that the ownership of the Central cars was transferred to Southern.
Probably in an attempt to preclude Amtrak from taking possession of them since I believe Central technically joined Amtrak on April 1. So it makes sense that Southern could have done the work prior to a change on the letterboard.
Kevin
On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:25 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:
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Ed Mims
Kevin,
I’ve been searching my files to find a photo of 665 after repairs were made but must not have one. I’m beginning to believe that you are correct in that Southern applied the smooth roof but I have always thought differently. I recall the car coming into Jacksonville in about 1965 on the Ponce de Leon with a smooth roof and with Central of Georgia still on the letter board.
Ed
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 8:12 PM To: main@southernrailway.groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River
Ed
You wouldn’t happen to have a picture of the car post wreck but prior to going to Southern? I don’t, but would love to see it. I question that Budd applied the smooth roof, primarily because they would still have the tooling set up to remove the damaged portions of the original roof and replace them with fluted material. In looking at some of the repairs done on the car by Budd, they pretty well stuck to their going practice at the time-which meant fluted roofs all the way through the Amfleet cars. Not saying it didn’t happen, but my bet is Southern did it since other Budds in the fleet received the same treatment.
Kevin
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Ed
You wouldn’t happen to have a picture of the car post wreck but prior to going to Southern? I don’t, but would love to see it.
I question that Budd applied the smooth roof, primarily because they would still have the tooling set up to remove the damaged portions of the original roof and replace them with fluted material. In looking at some of the repairs done on the
car by Budd, they pretty well stuck to their going practice at the time-which meant fluted roofs all the way through the Amfleet cars. Not saying it didn’t happen, but my bet is Southern did it since other Budds in the fleet received the same treatment.
Kevin
On Aug 6, 2019, at 8:01 PM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:
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Ed Mims
Another view of CG 665 (Fort McPherson) showing the date of the accident.
Ed
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Payne via Groups.Io
Thanks. That's more than I had heard/seen/read before; just assumed that the smooth roof was part of the repair. Daivd
In a message dated 8/6/2019 7:46:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, klcenters@... writes:
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George Eichelberger
To remind everyone, the August archives work session is Friday and Saturday August 16 and 17. Several of us will be there starting Thursday.
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On Aug 6, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Kevin Centers <klcenters@...> wrote: Bill
As a matter of fact SRHA does have records of some movements of the Enoree River. The car shows being inspected on 12/11/56 and 12/12/56 in Charlotte. The first day it was in The Southerner and the second day is was part of The Crescent’s consist.
The car line number on 47/48 was SR41 and on 37/38 the car line was S21.
The first inspection wasn’t bad but did note that the car made excessive squeaking noises and the center plates/trucks, coupler carrier irons and buffer diaphragm mechanisms should be greased to make the car quieter. It was also noted that the
car was riding 1-1/2” low on the vestibule end and 3-1/2” low on the blind end. This caused issues with coupling the tightlock interlocking couplers as well as matching up footplates so there was no tripping hazard.
Apparently Pullman or Southern was able to do some quick work and correct the issues. On the second day the inspector made the interesting note that “This car is now ok and rides good, it has no noises and matches up very good (footplates between
cars). Get ‘em all like this one.”
These inspection forms came from the archives in Chattanooga. I am in the process of transcribing the info from scanned forms into a spreadsheet. This kind of info is invaluable in that inspectors not only noted defects with the cars, but also
the train numbers, dates, locations, and car line number.
Kevin
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Ed Mims
The CofGa car 665 (formerly Fort McPherson) was wrecked and repaired by Budd. That is why it has a smooth stainless steel roof. See attachment.
Stainless steel does not corrode but it is not totally indestructible. Stainless steel will fatigue in service and fracture (crack). Once this begins it is irreversible. The pre-war cars had this problem with the early design of center sills. Later designs were heavier and stayed in regular service for many years. Post war cars were much sturdier and some remain in service today (example: VIA RAIL THE CANADIAN).
Ed Mims
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Centers
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 7:21 PM To: main@southernrailway.groups.io Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Enoree River
Curt
Budds were built with fluted roofs. Being of all stainless construction, the cars were-and in many cases still are-practically indestructible. Unfortunately they leak. Sometimes a little silicon will do the trick, but some are a little worse. Southern fixed the issue by applying smooth stainless over the flutes. SOU 665 (former CofGa 665) at Southern Appalachia Ry Museum is a good example of this. Built by Budd with a fluted roof with smooth panels applied by Southern.
Kevin
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