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locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Michael Roderick
 

Ron:

I would be interested in the ETT's for the following area's. Time period is 30's through 60's if you don't have all those I will be glad to use what you have to build a TT in Excel.

Murphy Branch
Knoxville
Asheville
Old Fort
Hickory
Winston Salem
Spencer

The reason is I am going to be building the Murphy Branch and the Main line from Knoxville to Spencer. I know this is a lot information. If there's other out there that can help with this information to include industries along these routes please feel free to email me directly. I have live on the Murphy Branch and other Southern RR routes and just love what they did and want build the best representation of this beautiful railroad.

Mike Roderick
Modeling the Murphy Branch
in Central Indiana


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 13:32
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>; Ron Stafford via Groups.Io <wag2200@...>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Ron:
Your divisional CD idea is one we are exploring.
CEA
On November 17, 2019 at 11:50 AM "Ron Stafford via Groups.Io" <wag2200@...> wrote:

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.

 


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Ron Stafford
 

Thank you Carl. In addition to the employee timetables, it might be worth looking into other forms of paperwork that could be included...track charts, signal charts, etc. That might make the divisional DVD idea even more appealing.

Something to think about...

Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>; Ron Stafford via Groups.Io <wag2200@...>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2019 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Ron:
Your divisional CD idea is one we are exploring.
CEA
On November 17, 2019 at 11:50 AM "Ron Stafford via Groups.Io" <wag2200@...> wrote:

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.

 


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Carl Ardrey
 

Ron:
Your divisional CD idea is one we are exploring.
CEA

On November 17, 2019 at 11:50 AM "Ron Stafford via Groups.Io" <wag2200@...> wrote:

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.

 


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

C J Wyatt
 

Extra knuckle might be a better explanation, but as noted, the unit is a radio train leader and the short hood is probably crammed with that equipment. The white number board indicates a leader for those of you who don't know.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 01:23:53 PM EST, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


My guess (strictly guess) is that the extension is housing the controls for the ATC equipment. Notice the pickup shoe on the truck.

Jack Wyatt


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

C J Wyatt
 

My guess (strictly guess) is that the extension is housing the controls for the ATC equipment. Notice the pickup shoe on the truck.

Jack Wyatt


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

Charles Powell
 

Jason,
What you are seeing is the white flag in the flag holder and a radio antenna on top of the hood directly behind the flag. Since 3121 is equipped with Loco Control radio equipment there are two antennas.

James
I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Charlie   


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Ron Stafford
 

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

Jason Greene
 

Is that a town whistle on either side of the short hood? I have never noticed town whistles on Southern equipment. 

Jason Greene 

On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:56 AM, James <nsc39dash8@...> wrote:

in the past months I have studying pictures of Southern SD-45 fleet.  I have found one item very curious and can find no information about it.
The item in question is an extension of the battery box on the short hood end conductors side as seen below.

<SOU3121.1.png>


This extension appears on most SD-45's from 3106 thru 3160 or so.  Can anyone explain what this was used for,  also it appears on the SD35's as well.
I am posing this question on several lists so please forgive in duplication.

Thanks in advance,
James Wall
Rural Hall, NC


locked Southern SD-45's

James
 

in the past months I have studying pictures of Southern SD-45 fleet.  I have found one item very curious and can find no information about it.
The item in question is an extension of the battery box on the short hood end conductors side as seen below.



This extension appears on most SD-45's from 3106 thru 3160 or so.  Can anyone explain what this was used for,  also it appears on the SD35's as well.
I am posing this question on several lists so please forgive in duplication.

Thanks in advance,
James Wall
Rural Hall, NC


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Ike,

It did feel as if instead of answering his question or clarifying his request, that you implied he was talking about scanning ETT content. I was confused by your response too.

As to Robert, I am unaware of a SR ETT list, directory or compendium. Tom Daspit’s website, http:southern.railfan.net has the list of divisions, as they changed substantially over time. But i don’t think he’s listed all ETTs for each.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 17, 2019, at 12:14 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Robert:

Excuse me….I did not say you were asking for scans of every TT. My questions were to find opinions about all kinds of archival material, the fact that we are in the process of finalizing the TT project coincided nicely with your question. 

My question: "How should SRHA make them available and at what price?” was obviously referring to the scans.



On Nov 16, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Robert Richardson <seaboard@...> wrote:

George and everyone see notes in RED
 
Robert Richardson
Henderson, NC
MP S114.5
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.
 
What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.
 
As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.

Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use. 



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A&Y Dave in MD
 

Is Robert asking for a list, or the contents? 

 I’ve wondered myself if I have all the Winston-Salem division ETTs accounted for. I’m not interested in reading them all, so a list by division then date and/or number indicating what existed would be useful enough.

since people can find them around fairly easily, no sense in SRHA using a lot of volunteer effort on scanning them. In my opinion, save that precious volunteers effort for making available things the Archives have that no one else can access!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:40 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

George Eichelberger
 

Robert:

Excuse me….I did not say you were asking for scans of every TT. My questions were to find opinions about all kinds of archival material, the fact that we are in the process of finalizing the TT project coincided nicely with your question. 

My question: "How should SRHA make them available and at what price?” was obviously referring to the scans.



On Nov 16, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Robert Richardson <seaboard@...> wrote:

George and everyone see notes in RED
 
Robert Richardson
Henderson, NC
MP S114.5
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.
 
What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.
 
As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.

Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use. 



locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

George and everyone see notes in RED

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

 

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)

YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.

 

What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.

 

As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.


Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

George Eichelberger
 

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

I’m looking for a near complete compendium list of Southern Employee Timetables.

 

Many thanks in advance for any help that anyone could provide.

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 

 


locked Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

I’m looking for a near complete compendium list of Southern Employee Timetables.

 

Many thanks in advance for any help that anyone could provide.

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 


locked Pullman 1948 Car Requirements Report

George Eichelberger
 

The October Southern Railway Historical Assoc. archives work session was particularly productive, toward getting our paper files organized and scanned. The November work session (at the archives on 11-15&16) will continue that work plus focus on the 100,000 plus microfilm aperture cards of Southern, CofG, ACL, SAL, CRR equipment drawings. 

The PRR and B&O/C&O aperture card collections obtained by Larry Goolsby of the ACL/SALHS from CSX have been moved to the PRRT&HS and the B&OHS (with the C&O drawings to go to the C&OHS).

The Southern Railway Presidents’ files are a rich source of information beyond the Southern. The Pullman Co. files before, during and after WWII are an excellent example

C.R. Harding, the Pullman Co. President asked for a study and report on “future sleeping car requirements” that the company would use in its postwar planning. The first page of the 30-page report, submitted on September 2, 1948, is attached. Because it may be of interest to anyone interested in Pullman operations, a PDF of the entire report is available on the new SRHA archives server.

As the server is still very much in a “test” mode, the following user name and password is only temporary and will be taken down in mid-November. It may be downloaded for non-commercial use only with credit to SRHA for anything but personnel use. As time and resources permit, more of SRHA's tens of thousands of archives documents and photos will be available on line.

To access the server enter “mynas.lacie.com/srhaarchive” in the search or address line of any browser. (The browser will need to be able to run Java.) At the site login, enter “Pullman” for the user and “test” for the password. That will take you to the LaCie d2 home page. Click on the file icon in the upper right. The file browser will display a folder marked “Public”. Click that to see another file labeled “Pullman Report”. There, you will notice a 254.23Mb file. Highlight and click the “download” icon in the upper left.

Download will not be instantaneous because of the file size and other people may be downloading it at the same time. If you have any problems or comments, please email “archives@...”.

Ike


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

James
 

Scott,

Here is the photo I took at Little Choo Choo in Spencer, NC of their in stock Wright Trak kits.


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

Ted Hopkins
 

Thank you.

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:18 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

 

The Interstate Commerce Commission valuation maps often had tables that listed land owners and donors, but that could be hit or miss as it was often a valuation crew asking opinions of then current residents and business owners nearby.  Title data in those days was a bit loose.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone



On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:10 PM, tjh@... wrote:

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

A&Y Dave in MD
 

The Interstate Commerce Commission valuation maps often had tables that listed land owners and donors, but that could be hit or miss as it was often a valuation crew asking opinions of then current residents and business owners nearby.  Title data in those days was a bit loose.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:10 PM, tjh@... wrote:

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.

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