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locked Re: Southeastern Railway Museum

David Friedlander
 

All,

I did not make it to Saltville to see the 4-4-0 locomotive, but thanks for letting me know it is there.

It looks like I have forgotten come back here and share the photos I took at the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth, GA. I spent perhaps 4 or 5 hours there about 943 photos, mostly for modeling purposes down the road for myself and maybe for others who have interest in things like the Amtrak Slumbercoach. I was surprised at how much I was allowed to walk through.

In any case, I've compiled them all into a Google Drive. It should be public for anyone who has the link. I don't plan on taking it down anytime soon. Regardless, I think you should be able to download any photos you want to save off for your modeling in case it somehow disappears.


Enjoy.

Happy Holidays,
David Friedlander
NY, NY


On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:08 PM Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:
Ed,

Glad Jason explained what took place. I had an article published by the Bristol Herald Courier that gave more details of the Texas duties.

Mike Pierry, Jr.

On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 9:03 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Building at Grant park is gone. It is now the Safari exhibit of the zoo. 

The cyclorama was restored and is now at the history center too. It is in a two story building to the left of the Texas in the picture posted earlier. The Texas and a future exhibit on the 1996 Olympics are between the main museum and the new cyclorama building. 

Jason Greene 

On Sep 29, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Edwin Locklin <elocklin@...> wrote:

MIke,
 
I wonder why they didn’t return this locomotive back to the basement of the Cyclorama building in Grant Park.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
 
From: Mike Pierry, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 9:45 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southeastern Railway Museum
 
Jason is technically correct. The display was however,
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designed to make viewing the locomotive possible without entering the building.
I attach my photo from earlier this year.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 9:05 PM Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:
Actually, it is inside the museum. You can see it from the outside.

Jason Greene

On Sep 28, 2019, at 7:46 PM, Mike Pierry, Jr. <mpierryjr@...> wrote:

Have you considered visiting the Texas? It is displayed behind glass on the outside of the History Museum in Buckhead.
 
Mike Pierry, Jr.
 
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:
Hey all,

I am visiting Atlanta for a few days next week and on Thursday, I am planning to make a trip for the first time to the Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeastern_Railway_Museum

I plan to see everything thats publicly open, but is there anything I should make sure I don't miss?

If I have extra time, does anyone need any photos or measurements of anything at the museum?

Thanks,
David Friedlander


locked Re: St. Louis line

James Walton <whovianwil@...>
 

Does anyone know if the H24-66s ever worked on the St. Louis line? 


On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 21:00 D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:
I've enjoyed the info as well.  This is probably the one Southern mainline I know the least about.  I don't recall ever seeing an article about it in the railfan press (Trains, R&R, CTC Board, etc).  

I drove along the line from Mt. Vernon to Louisville last year on a rainy Sunday.  Only saw one intermodal train.  The engine shed at Huntingburg is still there.  Most of the line is very tree'd in so it would be easy to miss a train.  And southern Indiana is quite hilly so the line is quite curvy.  West of Princeton it's rather flat with lots of long tangents.

I was surprised to find a small grain elevator at Golden Gate, Illinois which had a single grain hopper spotted.  I gather they ship single carloads to packagers of bird seed.

Hopefully I can make another drive along that line in better weather and catch more trains.

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

Ryan Harris
 

Yes, it is available:

http://shpws.me/OO8B

It's set up for truck spacing of approximately 5.1" and an overall length of 6.54". Again, that's based on the article where the author took two inches of length out of the Athearn 26K tanks. It's also set up so that etched material can be installed on the walkway supports. Here's an in-progress photo of the car showing the walkway:

https://pbase.com/mecrharris/image/166690293

If anyone can provide me with the truck centers of these Southern cars I can easily cut the CAD file to the correct length and post it for sale.

--
Ryan Harris
Fort Worth, TX


locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

Justin May
 

Ryan,
These tanks are roughly 14,500 gallons, so the principles of the
kitbash would not change, but there would be a bit more material to
remove. The saddles are the same design as well. Is the underframe
printing available to the public via Shapeways? I was thinking of
using Plano and styrene to build a new running board in lieu of using
the Athearn part.

Justin May

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 1:19 AM Ryan Harris <ryan.harris@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I don't know if they are the same as the Southern tank cars, but Burlington Northern inherited several 19,000 gallon tank cars from Northern Pacific. Many of them were converted to fuel tenders in the 80s. A folio diagram showing the general arrangement and overall measurements of the original NP tank cars can be found on the GN NP joint archive.

An article appeared in Model Railroader in the late 80s that showed how to shorten one of the Athearn 62' tanks to match the ex-NP tanks more or less. I have followed this article and used the folio diagram from the GN NP archive to shorten and modify two Athearn tanks but instead of cutting and splicing the underframe I 3D printed a new one to match the shortened tank barrel. I still haven't finished the models with the plumbing of the locomotive air brake equipment being the holdup. It was pretty easy to get to the point I'm at with these models now.

If one was inclined to build a non-fuel tender tank car following the MR article and just omit the fuel tender parts it's a simple conversion.

--
Ryan Harris
Fort Worth, TX


locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

C J Wyatt
 

I wonder how the returning empties were handled?

On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 10:18:46 AM EST, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:


Thanks, gents, for the plethora of information on the Vertagreen movements.  From your responses I've learned the shipments originated in Rockland, Florida and were routed Waycross-Jesup-Birmingham-Sheffield-Vertagreen, AL.

For forensic purposes, I've attached a copy of the morning consist copied at BT on June 26 1965 showing the tank cars coming in on the rear of #7.  I'm sure you'll recognize the other Southern consists, along with #33, SAL's Silver Comet.

I switched these cars on the rear of #7 & 8 while working the towers at Birmingham and Atlanta terminals. It was really strange seeing them tacked on to the rear of the heavyweight Pullman out of Atlanta. But this was the Brosnan era when passenger trains had become primarily mail, express, and in this case, expedited freight carriers.

Regards,
Marv


locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

Ryan Harris
 

I don't know if they are the same as the Southern tank cars, but Burlington Northern inherited several 19,000 gallon tank cars from Northern Pacific. Many of them were converted to fuel tenders in the 80s. A folio diagram showing the general arrangement and overall measurements of the original NP tank cars can be found on the GN NP joint archive.

An article appeared in Model Railroader in the late 80s that showed how to shorten one of the Athearn 62' tanks to match the ex-NP tanks more or less. I have followed this article and used the folio diagram from the GN NP archive to shorten and modify two Athearn tanks but instead of cutting and splicing the underframe I 3D printed a new one to match the shortened tank barrel. I still haven't finished the models with the plumbing of the locomotive air brake equipment being the holdup. It was pretty easy to get to the point I'm at with these models now.

If one was inclined to build a non-fuel tender tank car following the MR article and just omit the fuel tender parts it's a simple conversion.  

--
Ryan Harris
Fort Worth, TX


locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

D. Scott Chatfield
 

> Does anyone have a general arrangement diagram for these cars? The full length center sill and welded construction are definitely a unique features that could be modeled. I know SOU 992454 at Spencer is one of the members of this series. 

These tanks are shortened versions of the diesel fuel tanks ACF built for the CB&Q and GN in the mid '60s.  In other words, Athearn's "62-foot tank car".  The tank barrel might be a tad slimmer.

I couldn't find a GA drawing for them in my ca-1970 GA book.  Something else to look for in the archives.  Couldn't make it this week.  Hope to be there next month.

Merry Christmas!

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Southern Railway Forum

James Walton <whovianwil@...>
 

Yes, I was hoping a forum covering the South as a whole would be a good idea.


On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 23:07 Ryan Harris <ryan.harris@...> wrote:
Are you talking about a forum for modeling railroads of the southern US and not just the Southern Railway? If so I think that would be a good idea.
--
Ryan Harris
Fort Worth, TX


locked Re: Southern Railway Forum

Ryan Harris
 

Are you talking about a forum for modeling railroads of the southern US and not just the Southern Railway? If so I think that would be a good idea.
--
Ryan Harris
Fort Worth, TX


locked Re: St. Louis line

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I've enjoyed the info as well.  This is probably the one Southern mainline I know the least about.  I don't recall ever seeing an article about it in the railfan press (Trains, R&R, CTC Board, etc).  

I drove along the line from Mt. Vernon to Louisville last year on a rainy Sunday.  Only saw one intermodal train.  The engine shed at Huntingburg is still there.  Most of the line is very tree'd in so it would be easy to miss a train.  And southern Indiana is quite hilly so the line is quite curvy.  West of Princeton it's rather flat with lots of long tangents.

I was surprised to find a small grain elevator at Golden Gate, Illinois which had a single grain hopper spotted.  I gather they ship single carloads to packagers of bird seed.

Hopefully I can make another drive along that line in better weather and catch more trains.

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: St. Louis line

James Walton <whovianwil@...>
 

Thank you for the information everyone. 

As I say, I'm not quite modelling the L&N. I'm modelling a scenario where the NC&StL managed to acquire the St. Louis & Southeastern rather than the L&N, and lease the Central of Georgia. This would give the NC a line from St. Louis to Atlanta, and the L&N a line from Cincinnati to New Orleans and Atlanta. The NC would use the C&EI to get to Chicago, while the L&N would probably use the Monon.

This leaves the L&N allied with the ACL and Monon, and the NC with the CoG and C&EI. Does anyone know of any allies the NC could pick up against the L&N.

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019, 19:35 Charles Powell <charlesspowell@...> wrote:
James,
As others have mentioned the Ms class Mikes were used on the branches and at least from Huntingburg to Princeton on the main line as Princeton was the main shop for that division. One of those Ms Mikes that ended its SR career in 1948 at Princeton was 4501. As far as road switchers the Fairbanks Morse H16-44s which arrived in 1950 & 1951, were initially used on the St. Louis line. On my one visit in the 80s to Huntingburg yard I was surprised by the fair sized steel,  two track locomotive shop building. Most small outlying Southern locations after steam had lost their roundhouses and only had engine service tracks and no shop buildings. The General Foreman told me that when the FMs first arrived the plan was to keep them on that division and the shop was set up for that purpose. In just a few years Southern switched to concentrating all of the road locomotive maintenance inspections at Chattanooga and Atlanta and the FMs migrated away.

I donated to the SRHA archives a set of bound volumes of "Ties" that I inherited from my parents. They covered from around 1948 to 1955. I recall at least one photo of a train with H16-44s identified as being in Indiana in one of those magazines. 
Charlie Powell


locked Re: St. Louis line

Charles Powell
 

James,
As others have mentioned the Ms class Mikes were used on the branches and at least from Huntingburg to Princeton on the main line as Princeton was the main shop for that division. One of those Ms Mikes that ended its SR career in 1948 at Princeton was 4501. As far as road switchers the Fairbanks Morse H16-44s which arrived in 1950 & 1951, were initially used on the St. Louis line. On my one visit in the 80s to Huntingburg yard I was surprised by the fair sized steel,  two track locomotive shop building. Most small outlying Southern locations after steam had lost their roundhouses and only had engine service tracks and no shop buildings. The General Foreman told me that when the FMs first arrived the plan was to keep them on that division and the shop was set up for that purpose. In just a few years Southern switched to concentrating all of the road locomotive maintenance inspections at Chattanooga and Atlanta and the FMs migrated away.

I donated to the SRHA archives a set of bound volumes of "Ties" that I inherited from my parents. They covered from around 1948 to 1955. I recall at least one photo of a train with H16-44s identified as being in Indiana in one of those magazines. 
Charlie Powell


locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

Ed Mims
 

A few more UBI’s:

I’m pretty sure the routing on ACL was Lakeland to High Springs and DuPont to Waycross then on to Jesup.

I was told that they were rubber lined for phosphoric acid service. I assume this was true.

Ed


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Justin May
 

Ike,
Thank you for the images and the follow-up information on the routing of these tanks. I have seen the cars denoted as return to "SCL", but the "ACL" definitely adds more interest. Does anyone have a general arrangement diagram for these cars? The full length center sill and welded construction are definitely a unique features that could be modeled. I know SOU 992454 at Spencer is one of the members of this series. 

Justin May


On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:57 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
The service pre-dated SCL, the tank cars were originally stenciled to return to Rockland on the ACL. Note attached photo of Sou 341 stored at the food terminal in Chattanooga, the “ACL” stencil is quite visible.

Also note the car has a full center sill, a feature of the ACF cars, the GATX cars were frameless.

The cars were rubber lined to carry phosphoric acid. The lining was a maintenance problem, particularly when men went inside the tank to clean out sludge…..using a pick and shovel….duh!

Ike



On Dec 13, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Justin May <westpointroute@...> wrote:

Here is a useful website documenting Rockland. It was an old mine from the 1920s and finally shut down in 1994. These shipments would have also been handled by SCL locally prior to 1983.



Rockland Mine was located north along State Road 630 West and east of CR555 in Ft. Meade, Florida (3225 State Road 630 West).

The mine was a property of U.S. Agri Chemical and was a Phosphoric Acid plant after playing out the phosphate deposit.

Justin May


On Dec 13, 2019, at 18:21, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Marv:

There was a full article on these cars in TIES magazine a few years ago. Someone needs to help find which issue.

It has always been unusual for any railroad to own revenue tank cars. There were two groups of 100T capy cars blt by ACF and GATX, painted Southern freight car brown. They were in captive service between Rockland, FL and Vertagreen, near Sheffield, AL. (Rockland was east of Mulberry, FL off SR 60). I lived in Sarasota and Brandon at the time so I was able to photograph them parked beside the highway quite often.

The attached photo of Sou 323 was taken at Chattanooga 8-93 long after the Vertagreen service ended. They could not be used to ship flammable materials (like diesel fuel) so they were used to store used oil at Citico (and probably other shops).

Ike
<Sou 323-2.jpeg>


On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Back in the mid-60s Southern routinely handled several tank cars of Vertagreen liquid fertilizer on the rear of Nos 7 & 8, the KC-Florida Special, between Brunswick GA and Birmingham AL.  Does anyone know the history of these cars, more specifically the points of origin and destination?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons



locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

Marv Clemons
 

Thanks, gents, for the plethora of information on the Vertagreen movements.  From your responses I've learned the shipments originated in Rockland, Florida and were routed Waycross-Jesup-Birmingham-Sheffield-Vertagreen, AL.

For forensic purposes, I've attached a copy of the morning consist copied at BT on June 26 1965 showing the tank cars coming in on the rear of #7.  I'm sure you'll recognize the other Southern consists, along with #33, SAL's Silver Comet.

I switched these cars on the rear of #7 & 8 while working the towers at Birmingham and Atlanta terminals. It was really strange seeing them tacked on to the rear of the heavyweight Pullman out of Atlanta. But this was the Brosnan era when passenger trains had become primarily mail, express, and in this case, expedited freight carriers.

Regards,
Marv


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C J Wyatt
 

I believe the Kansas City - Florida Special was gone by the time of the SCL merger, so the Jessup routing would have no longer had a service advantage. 

Jack Wyatt

On Saturday, December 14, 2019, 09:32:51 AM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Ed:

Do you recall if the routing via Jessup continued after the SCL merger? Prior to that, the interchange between the ACL and Southern was at Tiftton, GA, nothing was done through Jax. The Tifton-not-Jacksonville scheme went back to the original Sou ACL trackage rights agreement from Hardeeville/Savannah to Jax.

The Southern wanted several thnings in the SCL merger, one was to interchange with the SCL at Jacksonville. The ICC denied that so the SR went to court. Thagt was the only condiiton they managed to get.

There are Extensive files on the SCL merger in the SRHA archives.

Ike

On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:46 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

If I recall correctly these are the cars that were routed from the Bone Valley to Waycross then put behind the caboose on a manifest freight to Savannah and cut off on the fly at Jesup,GA. The ACL/SCL Jesup switcher would then deliver them to the Southern.

Ed Mims


On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:21 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:


Marv:

There was a full article on these cars in TIES magazine a few years ago. Someone needs to help find which issue.

It has always been unusual for any railroad to own revenue tank cars. There were two groups of 100T capy cars blt by ACF and GATX, painted Southern freight car brown. They were in captive service between Rockland, FL and Vertagreen, near Sheffield, AL. (Rockland was east of Mulberry, FL off SR 60). I lived in Sarasota and Brandon at the time so I was able to photograph them parked beside the highway quite often.

The attached photo of Sou 323 was taken at Chattanooga 8-93 long after the Vertagreen service ended. They could not be used to ship flammable materials (like diesel fuel) so they were used to store used oil at Citico (and probably other shops).

Ike
<Sou 323-2.jpeg>


On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Back in the mid-60s Southern routinely handled several tank cars of Vertagreen liquid fertilizer on the rear of Nos 7 & 8, the KC-Florida Special, between Brunswick GA and Birmingham AL.  Does anyone know the history of these cars, more specifically the points of origin and destination?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons



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Ed Mims
 

Ike, I don’t recall others routings for the “phosphoric acid tanks” as they were called. I learned about this from an ex-Southern superintendent who became Supt. of Mine Service for ACL in the Bone Valley after he was fired once too many times on the Southern. His first name was Terry but I can’t recall his last name.

I spent a good bit of time with him in my early days on the ACL. He was very helpful to me.

Ed


On Dec 14, 2019, at 9:32 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Ed:

Do you recall if the routing via Jessup continued after the SCL merger? Prior to that, the interchange between the ACL and Southern was at Tiftton, GA, nothing was done through Jax. The Tifton-not-Jacksonville scheme went back to the original Sou ACL trackage rights agreement from Hardeeville/Savannah to Jax.

The Southern wanted several thnings in the SCL merger, one was to interchange with the SCL at Jacksonville. The ICC denied that so the SR went to court. Thagt was the only condiiton they managed to get.

There are Extensive files on the SCL merger in the SRHA archives.

Ike

On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:46 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

If I recall correctly these are the cars that were routed from the Bone Valley to Waycross then put behind the caboose on a manifest freight to Savannah and cut off on the fly at Jesup,GA. The ACL/SCL Jesup switcher would then deliver them to the Southern.

Ed Mims


On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:21 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Marv:

There was a full article on these cars in TIES magazine a few years ago. Someone needs to help find which issue.

It has always been unusual for any railroad to own revenue tank cars. There were two groups of 100T capy cars blt by ACF and GATX, painted Southern freight car brown. They were in captive service between Rockland, FL and Vertagreen, near Sheffield, AL. (Rockland was east of Mulberry, FL off SR 60). I lived in Sarasota and Brandon at the time so I was able to photograph them parked beside the highway quite often.

The attached photo of Sou 323 was taken at Chattanooga 8-93 long after the Vertagreen service ended. They could not be used to ship flammable materials (like diesel fuel) so they were used to store used oil at Citico (and probably other shops).

Ike
<Sou 323-2.jpeg>


On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Back in the mid-60s Southern routinely handled several tank cars of Vertagreen liquid fertilizer on the rear of Nos 7 & 8, the KC-Florida Special, between Brunswick GA and Birmingham AL.  Does anyone know the history of these cars, more specifically the points of origin and destination?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons



locked Re: Vertagreen tank cars

George Eichelberger
 

Ed:

Do you recall if the routing via Jessup continued after the SCL merger? Prior to that, the interchange between the ACL and Southern was at Tiftton, GA, nothing was done through Jax. The Tifton-not-Jacksonville scheme went back to the original Sou ACL trackage rights agreement from Hardeeville/Savannah to Jax.

The Southern wanted several thnings in the SCL merger, one was to interchange with the SCL at Jacksonville. The ICC denied that so the SR went to court. Thagt was the only condiiton they managed to get.

There are Extensive files on the SCL merger in the SRHA archives.

Ike

On Dec 14, 2019, at 8:46 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

If I recall correctly these are the cars that were routed from the Bone Valley to Waycross then put behind the caboose on a manifest freight to Savannah and cut off on the fly at Jesup,GA. The ACL/SCL Jesup switcher would then deliver them to the Southern.

Ed Mims


On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:21 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Marv:

There was a full article on these cars in TIES magazine a few years ago. Someone needs to help find which issue.

It has always been unusual for any railroad to own revenue tank cars. There were two groups of 100T capy cars blt by ACF and GATX, painted Southern freight car brown. They were in captive service between Rockland, FL and Vertagreen, near Sheffield, AL. (Rockland was east of Mulberry, FL off SR 60). I lived in Sarasota and Brandon at the time so I was able to photograph them parked beside the highway quite often.

The attached photo of Sou 323 was taken at Chattanooga 8-93 long after the Vertagreen service ended. They could not be used to ship flammable materials (like diesel fuel) so they were used to store used oil at Citico (and probably other shops).

Ike
<Sou 323-2.jpeg>


On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Back in the mid-60s Southern routinely handled several tank cars of Vertagreen liquid fertilizer on the rear of Nos 7 & 8, the KC-Florida Special, between Brunswick GA and Birmingham AL.  Does anyone know the history of these cars, more specifically the points of origin and destination?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons



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Ed Mims
 

If I recall correctly these are the cars that were routed from the Bone Valley to Waycross then put behind the caboose on a manifest freight to Savannah and cut off on the fly at Jesup,GA. The ACL/SCL Jesup switcher would then deliver them to the Southern.

Ed Mims


On Dec 13, 2019, at 6:21 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Marv:

There was a full article on these cars in TIES magazine a few years ago. Someone needs to help find which issue.

It has always been unusual for any railroad to own revenue tank cars. There were two groups of 100T capy cars blt by ACF and GATX, painted Southern freight car brown. They were in captive service between Rockland, FL and Vertagreen, near Sheffield, AL. (Rockland was east of Mulberry, FL off SR 60). I lived in Sarasota and Brandon at the time so I was able to photograph them parked beside the highway quite often.

The attached photo of Sou 323 was taken at Chattanooga 8-93 long after the Vertagreen service ended. They could not be used to ship flammable materials (like diesel fuel) so they were used to store used oil at Citico (and probably other shops).

Ike
<Sou 323-2.jpeg>


On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:13 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Back in the mid-60s Southern routinely handled several tank cars of Vertagreen liquid fertilizer on the rear of Nos 7 & 8, the KC-Florida Special, between Brunswick GA and Birmingham AL.  Does anyone know the history of these cars, more specifically the points of origin and destination?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


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Bill Schafer
 

I’ll (try to remember to) look it up when I get home next week.

On Dec 13, 2019, at 10:26 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Thanks for the correction, Bill. That's what I get for not looking it up. Do you recall when the first diesel road-switcher's were assigned?

Jack

On Friday, December 13, 2019, 10:11:26 PM EST, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:


IIRC, Prince said the Ms Mikados, which were legit on the Evansville and French Lick branches, ferried to the rest of the system via West Baden-Monon-Louisville. 

—Bill Schafer

On Dec 13, 2019, at 9:09 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:

Ks 2-8-0 steam locomotives, light Pacific's on the passenger trains, and  EMD F-units on the through freights. I believe that one of the branches used Ms 2-8-2's which had to be brought in over the L&N because the Southern bridges on the main were not strong enough.

Jack Wyatt

On Friday, December 13, 2019, 01:10:54 PM EST, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


I'm planning on modelling the L&N St. Louis Division - but not really, I can explain. As far as I know, the L&N interchanged with the Southern at Belleville and Mount Vernon in Illinois and Evansville in Indiana. Does anyone know what locomotives and traffic were common on the Southern's St. Louis line in the late 40s-early 50s?


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