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locked Re: Cab Unit Heralds

George Eichelberger
 

Dave:

I’m not sure what your point is but this group is about the Southern Railway….the Southern did not use the term “Herald”, why should we use/propagate it?

Ike


On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:32 AM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

The list is not a company, but imagine if you went into a store and asked what aisle the Kleenex were in and the clerk said “I’ll let some other staff tell you where they are, but you should know that the correct term is facial tissue.”

I do not know the answer to the actual question, but i know there are 1950 era photos with black lettering in the medallion. The only green lettering I have seen definitively is on the much later ‘wheel on rail’ layout where the slogan is in the ‘rail’ element of the graphic on passenger units.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Robert Hanson via Groups.Io <RHanson669@...> wrote:


And EMD called it a "Medallion."

Bob Hanson


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike


locked Re: For the "naturalized" Floridian

George Eichelberger
 

I’ve had a similar conversation with the NS Engineering folks and the ACL/SALHS about what resolutions to use to scan microfilm aperture cards. Both groups told me they thought scanning at 300 dpi was sufficient, NS Engineering told me they used that resolution to save (!) memory. (Older scanners that can handle “decks” of aperture cards typically can only scan at 300 dpi.)

For the SRHA archives scans, including several hundred done from the ACL, SAL, CRR, etc. cards, we typically use 4,800 or even 9,600 DPI for microfilm. Lower resolution scans make dimensions and small details hard to see and may be too low quality for publication.

Also, other than reference scans of file documents using jpeg, we normally save scans as tiff files with no compression.

Sorry to go “technical” but evolving to digital archives needs to consider multiple factors.

Ike



On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

George,
 
I have saved these for many years, probably from 1967 when John Hawthorn caused us to do a lot of house cleaning to get rid of the pre-merger drawings such as these. The use of the name “monogram” in the title of these is what I gave it and not necessarily that used by the ACL. The one with the purple background was scanned from a “purple folder” as the public timetables were referred to. I think this was the first use of purple on the ACL and dates back to the 1920s..
 
As you might already know most, if not all, of the ACL/SAL aperture cards have been scanned. The scans are not of the best quality. At least not the ones I have seen.
 
Ed
<ACL Logo from  Passenger Time Tables  (1).tif><ACL Monogram and Lettering   001.jpg><ACL Monogram and Lettering   002.jpg><ACL Monogram and Lettering   003.jpg><ACL Monogram and Lettering   004.jpg>


locked Re: Cab Unit Heralds

Bill Schafer
 

Dave:

The sheet metal monogram used on F-units in, say, the 1950s, was green and (imitation) gold. I owned one, and donated it to TVRM. 

—Bill

On Jan 7, 2020, at 9:32 AM, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

The list is not a company, but imagine if you went into a store and asked what aisle the Kleenex were in and the clerk said “I’ll let some other staff tell you where they are, but you should know that the correct term is facial tissue.”

I do not know the answer to the actual question, but i know there are 1950 era photos with black lettering in the medallion. The only green lettering I have seen definitively is on the much later ‘wheel on rail’ layout where the slogan is in the ‘rail’ element of the graphic on passenger units.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Robert Hanson via Groups.Io <RHanson669@...> wrote:


And EMD called it a "Medallion."

Bob Hanson


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike


locked Re: Cab Unit Heralds

A&Y Dave in MD
 

The list is not a company, but imagine if you went into a store and asked what aisle the Kleenex were in and the clerk said “I’ll let some other staff tell you where they are, but you should know that the correct term is facial tissue.”

I do not know the answer to the actual question, but i know there are 1950 era photos with black lettering in the medallion. The only green lettering I have seen definitively is on the much later ‘wheel on rail’ layout where the slogan is in the ‘rail’ element of the graphic on passenger units.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:24 AM, Robert Hanson via Groups.Io <RHanson669@...> wrote:


And EMD called it a "Medallion."

Bob Hanson


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike


locked Re: Cab Unit MONOGRAMS

George Eichelberger
 

Thanks Ed!

As a “naturalized” Floridian, I have to admit the ACL medallion lettering style is the absolute classic! Ed’s drawing, like Southern DL-1010 appears to be a tracing of an EMD original. In the case of DL-1010, the EMD drawing numbers are in the left margin. In EMD’s case, “medallion” refers to the painted metal plate attached to the front of locos. (During WWII, the medallion/monogram was painted directly on the SR FT carbody. Research would tell us what EMD and the SR called it in those cases?)

And, as info…the ACL/SALHS Coast Line, SAL and “Family Lines” microfilm drawing aperture cards are at the SRHA archives at TVRM.

The room for the employees model railroad club layout at LaGrange, IL had EMD medallions from many railroads on the walls. (I wonder what happened to them?)

A small version of DL-1010 is attached. It is one of 3,830 scans of diesel drawings in the SRHA archives (with more to be done.)

Ike

PS For whatever reason, the Southern used the steam locomotive drawing prefix, “SL” for a few years into the diesel era.



On Jan 7, 2020, at 7:44 AM, Ed Mims <wemims@...> wrote:

Here is a good example of a “MEDALLION”.
 
Ed Mims
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Hanson via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds
 
And EMD called it a "Medallion." 
 

Bob Hanson

-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike 

<ACL C-1010 Locomotive Medallion WJN.tif>


locked Re: Cab Unit Heralds

Ed Mims
 

Here is a good example of a “MEDALLION”.

 

Ed Mims

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Hanson via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 7:25 AM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

 

And EMD called it a "Medallion."

 

Bob Hanson

-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike


locked Re: Cab Unit Heralds

Robert Hanson
 

And EMD called it a "Medallion."

Bob Hanson


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 6, 2020 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Cab Unit Heralds

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike


locked Re: Cab Unit Heralds

George Eichelberger
 

I'll leave the color question to others but first I'll harp on "herald". The Southern Railway always/only called the round "Southern Serves the South" stencil a "Monogram". Other railroads may have used the term "herald" but not the Southern.

Ike


locked Cab Unit Heralds

Evan Miller
 

Hello everyone, after looking at many color photos of Southern's cab units during the 50's, I have a question. Was the lettering on the herald green or black? Most models I've seen have green lettering, as well as the restored FP7 6133. However after looking and looking, it definitely appears the lettering was black. I'd appreciate any help with this question.

-Evan Miller


locked Re: The SCL Merger

Robert Hanson
 

There's a lot of that "infinite wisdom" going around.

A scanned image is not the same as an original document, and frequently they'll scan a contract or document without scanning the supporting documents.

Do you have a question about this document?

Tough.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: sgwarner88 <sgwarner88@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] The SCL Merger

One item that we obtained from the ACL/SAL merger that actually worked was the Savannah Interchange.  SCL/CSXT has (or had) the responsibility to handle CGA-SCL/CSXT interchange both ways year round. My counterpart at CSXT, Dave Houchin, one day called and said that we should equally handle responsibilities, which would of course require adding a 6 month job at Dillard Yd.  I researched the file and found a letter (not a formal agreement) that said that as a merger condition SCL would handle the I/C from both SCL yards to/from Dillard. I sent him a copy and told him that we would not agree to change a merger condition (same as the VGN/N&W Guyandot River 1959 agreement to Stone Coal Jct. - an arbitration upheld continuing this agreement).  Dave backed off.

Since NS in it's infinite wisdom has scanned the basic Joint Facility agreement files in ATL and destroyed the real files, and since this letter would not appear to be a formal agreement, I am reasonably sure that this and other meaningful correspondence and precedent has disappeared.


locked Re: The SCL Merger

Stephen Warner
 

One item that we obtained from the ACL/SAL merger that actually worked was the Savannah Interchange.  SCL/CSXT has (or had) the responsibility to handle CGA-SCL/CSXT interchange both ways year round. My counterpart at CSXT, Dave Houchin, one day called and said that we should equally handle responsibilities, which would of course require adding a 6 month job at Dillard Yd.  I researched the file and found a letter (not a formal agreement) that said that as a merger condition SCL would handle the I/C from both SCL yards to/from Dillard. I sent him a copy and told him that we would not agree to change a merger condition (same as the VGN/N&W Guyandot River 1959 agreement to Stone Coal Jct. - an arbitration upheld continuing this agreement).  Dave backed off.

Since NS in it's infinite wisdom has scanned the basic Joint Facility agreement files in ATL and destroyed the real files, and since this letter would not appear to be a formal agreement, I am reasonably sure that this and other meaningful correspondence and precedent has disappeared.


locked Modeling SR Heavyweight Passenger Cars

Mike Burns
 

I've got two questions pertaining to modeling Southern passenger cars. 1) When did Southern start applying horizontal gold stripe to the bottoms of Pullman green passenger cars and 2) when did Southern start using silver/stainless steel doors on head end cars? I'm modeling a mid to late 1950's Sou. Rwy. secondary train and would like to know how to proceed on these points. Thanks, Mike Burns 


locked Re: D.W. Brosnan and SR Operations- 1966

Charles Powell
 

I also started with Southern after Mr. Brosnan left and worked for for a number of people who had come up under his administration. A lot of them were pretty tough to work for as well. Some years later I came to realize that a lot of those men we were working for in the 1970s  and 1980s had 30 years earlier been the Captains,Lieutenants, and NCOs on the front line kicking German and Japanese butts back to Berlin and Tokyo. They were used to giving orders and failure was not an option.  

Charlie Powell


locked Southern 630 and Automatic Train Stop

George Eichelberger
 

Two more items from the SRHA files.....certainly an unusual subject in 1968, a steam loco and Automatic Train Stop.....

I sent these to "our" Jim Howe (a member of SRHA's  BOD and the Association's Attorney) to make sure the letters were to and from him in 1968. He confirmed it was and added..."Based on the date this is most likely the first thing I did when I joined Southern after leaving SCL, A winner!".

Ike



locked SOU/NS/N&W wood chip hopper kits coming back to HO

Jim King
 

Crosstie Models’ owner, Josh Clark, and I have reached an agreement for Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc. to resume production of the Southern/NS/N&W GS50/G82 large wood chip hopper kit in HO. 

 

This model’s production ended in June 2019 following a successful run so we thought bringing out “Round 2” may spark new market interest.  These kits will be available directly from SMMW only.  None will be sold thru dealers, societies or at train shows and there is no guarantee the next production run will last long (resin kits are market-driven and limited-run by nature).

 

If you missed out on the previous run, now’s the time to remedy that.  Please contact me off-list to discuss.  Click on the main web site below to visit other items we produce or on this page showing just the chip hoppers:  http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/HO_rolling_stock.html

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


locked Re: The SCL Merger

Robert Hanson
 

I think that such rights were rendered redundant by the purchase of the Georgia Northern.  The Southern upgraded a portion of the road so that they could run trains from Albany over to Sparks, GA (just below Tifton on the GS&F) thus bypassing both Atlanta and Macon.

This was in the works at the time of the merger and was accomplished by 1968.

I don't know, but this seems to be the case.

Bob






-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2020 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] The SCL Merger

Trackage rights for the CG from Albany to Tifton were apparently agreed to by SCL but not done?

Ike


On Jan 2, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Robert Hanson via Groups.Io <RHanson669@...> wrote:

To this day I wonder how many ICC commissioners the ACL and SAL paid off to get that kind of ruling.

It blows my mind that they were able to get the merger approved without giving up anything in the way of preserving competition.

I would have thought that they would have been forced to sell one of their Savannah-Jacksonville and Jacksonville-Tampa main lines along with other concessions elsewhere.

Just incredible.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: [SouthernRailway] The SCL Merger

Yet another major file(s) in the SRHA archives concern the Seaboard Coast Line merger in the mid 60s. In addition to competition from the ACL and SAL combination, the Southern was interested in improving their access to SCL traffic in Jacksonville (there was never any long haul interchange with the ACL there), Southern wanted to get to Tampa because of its port facilities and to have access to phosphate traffic out of Florida's "Bone Valley".

The courts quite consistently found in favor of ACL/SAL and ag ainst the Southern, FEC and GM&O (!). The various court battles, filings, local newspaper and editorial efforts make for a large file. Some findings by the ICC and courts against the Southern are inexplicable, it appears only one was overturned that allowed Southern to interchange cars with SCL in Jacksonville.

Giving up the trackage rights from Hardeeville to Jacksonville and to Portsmouth, VA are stories themselves. Why the Southern did not get the Tampa Northern to give it access to Tampa and the BV from the Palatka line are not explained except that SCL fought hard against it and the Florida courts appear to have been quite pro SCL.

A related file in the archives is on the little known plans for the Florida Phosphate Railroad that would have given the phosphate people their own line to Port Manatee. SCL would not allow a crossing at grade, a bridge over the Coast Line would have been too close to Tampa Bay to stop the heavy (!) phosphate trains.

Ike









locked Re: The SCL Merger

George Eichelberger
 

Trackage rights for the CG from Albany to Tifton were apparently agreed to by SCL but not done?

Ike


On Jan 2, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Robert Hanson via Groups.Io <RHanson669@...> wrote:

To this day I wonder how many ICC commissioners the ACL and SAL paid off to get that kind of ruling.

It blows my mind that they were able to get the merger approved without giving up anything in the way of preserving competition.

I would have thought that they would have been forced to sell one of their Savannah-Jacksonville and Jacksonville-Tampa main lines along with other concessions elsewhere.

Just incredible.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: [SouthernRailway] The SCL Merger

Yet another major file(s) in the SRHA archives concern the Seaboard Coast Line merger in the mid 60s. In addition to competition from the ACL and SAL combination, the Southern was interested in improving their access to SCL traffic in Jacksonville (there was never any long haul interchange with the ACL there), Southern wanted to get to Tampa because of its port facilities and to have access to phosphate traffic out of Florida's "Bone Valley".

The courts quite consistently found in favor of ACL/SAL and ag ainst the Southern, FEC and GM&O (!). The various court battles, filings, local newspaper and editorial efforts make for a large file. Some findings by the ICC and courts against the Southern are inexplicable, it appears only one was overturned that allowed Southern to interchange cars with SCL in Jacksonville.

Giving up the trackage rights from Hardeeville to Jacksonville and to Portsmouth, VA are stories themselves. Why the Southern did not get the Tampa Northern to give it access to Tampa and the BV from the Palatka line are not explained except that SCL fought hard against it and the Florida courts appear to have been quite pro SCL.

A related file in the archives is on the little known plans for the Florida Phosphate Railroad that would have given the phosphate people their own line to Port Manatee. SCL would not allow a crossing at grade, a bridge over the Coast Line would have been too close to Tampa Bay to stop the heavy (!) phosphate trains.

Ike









locked Re: The SCL Merger

Robert Hanson
 

To this day I wonder how many ICC commissioners the ACL and SAL paid off to get that kind of ruling.

It blows my mind that they were able to get the merger approved without giving up anything in the way of preserving competition.

I would have thought that they would have been forced to sell one of their Savannah-Jacksonville and Jacksonville-Tampa main lines along with other concessions elsewhere.

Just incredible.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 2, 2020 9:30 am
Subject: [SouthernRailway] The SCL Merger

Yet another major file(s) in the SRHA archives concern the Seaboard Coast Line merger in the mid 60s. In addition to competition from the ACL and SAL combination, the Southern was interested in improving their access to SCL traffic in Jacksonville (there was never any long haul interchange with the ACL there), Southern wanted to get to Tampa because of its port facilities and to have access to phosphate traffic out of Florida's "Bone Valley".

The courts quite consistently found in favor of ACL/SAL and ag ainst the Southern, FEC and GM&O (!). The various court battles, filings, local newspaper and editorial efforts make for a large file. Some findings by the ICC and courts against the Southern are inexplicable, it appears only one was overturned that allowed Southern to interchange cars with SCL in Jacksonville.

Giving up the trackage rights from Hardeeville to Jacksonville and to Portsmouth, VA are stories themselves. Why the Southern did not get the Tampa Northern to give it access to Tampa and the BV from the Palatka line are not explained except that SCL fought hard against it and the Florida courts appear to have been quite pro SCL.

A related file in the archives is on the little known plans for the Florida Phosphate Railroad that would have given the phosphate people their own line to Port Manatee. SCL would not allow a crossing at grade, a bridge over the Coast Line would have been too close to Tampa Bay to stop the heavy (!) phosphate trains.

Ike








locked The SCL Merger

George Eichelberger
 

Yet another major file(s) in the SRHA archives concern the Seaboard Coast Line merger in the mid 60s. In addition to competition from the ACL and SAL combination, the Southern was interested in improving their access to SCL traffic in Jacksonville (there was never any long haul interchange with the ACL there), Southern wanted to get to Tampa because of its port facilities and to have access to phosphate traffic out of Florida's "Bone Valley".

The courts quite consistently found in favor of ACL/SAL and ag ainst the Southern, FEC and GM&O (!). The various court battles, filings, local newspaper and editorial efforts make for a large file. Some findings by the ICC and courts against the Southern are inexplicable, it appears only one was overturned that allowed Southern to interchange cars with SCL in Jacksonville.

Giving up the trackage rights from Hardeeville to Jacksonville and to Portsmouth, VA are stories themselves. Why the Southern did not get the Tampa Northern to give it access to Tampa and the BV from the Palatka line are not explained except that SCL fought hard against it and the Florida courts appear to have been quite pro SCL.

A related file in the archives is on the little known plans for the Florida Phosphate Railroad that would have given the phosphate people their own line to Port Manatee. SCL would not allow a crossing at grade, a bridge over the Coast Line would have been too close to Tampa Bay to stop the heavy (!) phosphate trains.

Ike







locked Re: D.W. Brosnan and SR Operations- 1966

Robert Hanson
 

Brosnan was both a genius and a lunatic at the same time.

He was a genius because of his many ideas and inventions that enabled the Southern - and the railroad industry in general - to mechanize and consolidate many functions in order to save money and survive the economic horror that was the late 60's and seventies prior to deregulation.

He was a lunatic because he had no people skills - absolutely none - and was blinded by the idea that whatever he did was right, even after it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was wrong.

He was also vindictive as hell.

And woe betide anyone who ever pointed out to him why he was wrong.  They were usually immediately unemployed.

I did not work for the Southern during Brosnan's administration, but I got there while there were many who had and they all had DWB stories to tell.  None of them pleasant, but all of them interesting.

I recommend the two-volume biography of Brosnan to anyone who is interested in knowing about the man.  I expected it to be a valentine to Brosnan but found that Mr. Morgret, who worked under Brosnan and knew him fairly well, presented the man pretty much as he was - warts and all.

Highly recommend this book, if you can locate a copy.

My two cents worth, and maybe a bit more.

Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA




-----Original Message-----
From: Rodney Shu <rodshu@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2020 10:23 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] D.W. Brosnan and SR Operations- 1966

Ike:
Wow!   Thank you so much for your effort in finding this information. Reading this response written over 50 years ago means a great deal to me.   I doubt that it got him out of the dog house with Mr. Brosnan, but it looked like a good try to me.
 
Rodney
 
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Wednesday, January 1, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] D.W. Brosnan and SR Operations- 1966
 
Rodney:
 
We look forward to you (everyone on SR@groups.io, actually) making it to one of our archives work sessions. They are a combination of actual work, just looking through the archives and always include a heavy dose of simply meeting and talking to everyone.
 
It’s pretty much a “matter of fact” style but I’ve attached a note from your father responding to Brosnan’s comments on the August 10, 1966 Morning Report.
 
Ike
 
PS We have a bit of an “event” occurring at TVRM before the January work session (www.srha.net). NS official car No. 8 will arrive (by truck) from Gateway Rail Car at Madison, IL. Three SRHA/TVRM members donated to purchase the car from a private owner and move it to Chattanooga. The plan is to restore the car to Southern Railway official car No.5 and put it in service at TVRM. Extensive work was done on the car to bring it up to Amtrak standards. That work will be completed with new HEP, brake and mechanical systems. (Seeing an NS office car on an Interstate highway from IL to Chattanooga will be a photo worthy event. We’ll publish the exact date, tentatively Jan 6th when it’s known.)
 
We have located documentation dating back to when Hayne Shop converted the car from Pullman “Point Richmond” it follows the car to its disposition by NS. Assistance with donations for the restoration, technical/historical expertise and labor are certainly welcome.
 
 
 
 
 
On Jan 1, 2020, at 11:29 AM, Rodney Shu <rodshu@...> wrote:
 
Thanks for the response Ike.  I enjoy following the communications on the "Group".
 
Mr. Brosnan was quite a man.  I do have some stories about things that took place back then.  One quick one that comes to mind is the time that John Rust fired my father in the late '50s while he was Superintendent at Greensboro.  I guess when Mr. B found out about it, he told Rust not to do it. When he called my father their conversation was as if his firing had never happened. 
 
I have always wanted to attend one of the SRHS work days. Hope to see you then in Chattanooga.
 
Rodney 
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 1:33 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] D.W. Brosnan and SR Operations- 1966
 
Rodney:
 
Please don’t be concerned….when you read the responses that always follow Brosnan’s margin notes, you see 99.99% of whatever the problem was, was beyond anyone’s control. “Thick skin” must have been standard issue by the Storekeeper to anyone in management. I will see if the file has a response to Brosnan's 8-29-66 missive.
 
Did you father tell you any DWB stories or stories from the Almon meetings? I retired from NS five years ago and at NS management meetings, people still referred to the DWB meeting style. (Although I have a hard time believing he had men stand on their chairs while he berated, and sometimes fired, them.)
 
If you are ever near Chattanooga, you might scan the files to see if there are more items to/from “PCS”.
 
Ike
 
 
 
On Dec 31, 2019, at 1:54 PM, Rodney Shu <rodshu@...> wrote:
 
The "PCS" was my father, Paul Shu, General Manager - Western Lines in 1966.  You had to be pretty thicked skinned in those days.  
 
Rodney Shu
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:08 AM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: [SouthernRailway] D.W. Brosnan and SR Operations- 1966
 
There are multiple files in SRHA archives box 612  labeled “Operating Conditions 1966”. They are in the Presidents’ files as virtually every detail of the operation of the Southern Railway was communicated to SR President DW Brosnan on a daily basis.
 
The files are not well organized but many reports show hand written notations by Mr. Brosnan that typically result in an “explanation” back to him from someone.
 
We can imagine receiving one of his notated reports would not make for a pleasant day for the recipient.
 
Here are two examples with Mr. Brosnan’s short (pithy?) comments….
 
Ike
 
<DWB 8-28-66.jpeg>
 
<DWB 8-29-66.jpeg>
 
 
 
 

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