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locked Re: Mike Roderick please contact me

Michael Roderick
 

George:

I did once I realized it.

Mike


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2020 09:20
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Mike Roderick please contact me
 
Rather than post these messages to the group, please use person to person emails.

Ike

On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Michael Roderick <mdrghost@...> wrote:

Jim:

I am sorry I have not been able to reply until today I was in the hospital till last night. That means I have to have to cancel my order of hopper also due funds not being available now.

Mike


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Jim King <jimking3@...>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 19:33
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Mike Roderick please contact me
 
Mike … pls call me at 828-777-5619 re: chip hopper kits.  Your Hotmail email doesn’t seem to be working after multiple attempts.

 

Jim King

 


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locked Re: Mike Roderick please contact me

George Eichelberger
 

Rather than post these messages to the group, please use person to person emails.

Ike

On Jan 28, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Michael Roderick <mdrghost@...> wrote:

Jim:

I am sorry I have not been able to reply until today I was in the hospital till last night. That means I have to have to cancel my order of hopper also due funds not being available now.

Mike


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Jim King <jimking3@...>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 19:33
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Mike Roderick please contact me
 
Mike … pls call me at 828-777-5619 re: chip hopper kits.  Your Hotmail email doesn’t seem to be working after multiple attempts.

 

Jim King

 


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locked Re: Mike Roderick please contact me

Michael Roderick
 

Jim:

I am sorry I have not been able to reply until today I was in the hospital till last night. That means I have to have to cancel my order of hopper also due funds not being available now.

Mike


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Jim King <jimking3@...>
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 19:33
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Mike Roderick please contact me
 

Mike … pls call me at 828-777-5619 re: chip hopper kits.  Your Hotmail email doesn’t seem to be working after multiple attempts.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


locked Re: Mike Roderick please contact me

Mike Burns
 

Hi Jim,

You must have the wrong guy. I am a member of the Southern  Railway groups.io

but haven’t submitted anything about SR chip hoppers.

Mike Burns

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim King
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 6:33 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Mike Roderick please contact me

 

Mike … pls call me at 828-777-5619 re: chip hopper kits.  Your Hotmail email doesn’t seem to be working after multiple attempts.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


locked Mike Roderick please contact me

Jim King
 

Mike … pls call me at 828-777-5619 re: chip hopper kits.  Your Hotmail email doesn’t seem to be working after multiple attempts.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


--
Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com


locked Re: Clay hoppers and the "cousin" Chip hop

Felix Freeman
 

I worked in the Mechanical Department and was at Greensboro from the late 1970's to 1995.  We had a collection of clay hoppers in service on the A&Y.  This is the line from Greensboro to Sanford.  Clay was loaded at the Gulf clay pits and moved to Boren Brick in Pleasant Garden.  For the most part the cars were in captive service between those two points.  I was told by the Sales Department that revenue was very good for this short haul.  For the most part the cars never came to the yard at Pomona (Greensboro).  There was a problem handling these cars in the yard.  When they were switched and handled, clay would be knocked loose and fall to the ground.  When this clay became wet it would be slippery and cause poor footing.  Reworking yard tracks and keeping these cars out of the yard took care of that problem.  As these cars were not inspected by the Mechanical Department on a daily basis we made it a point to regularly run the Road Truck down the branch to inspect them, do light repairs and oil the friction bearings.  Cut levers, grab irons, sill steps, car bodies and angle cocks all took a beating in this service.  The agents at Liberty and the train crew did an outstanding job in looking out for problems and would route cars in need of repair to Pomona or let us know to do road repairs.  Workers at the clay pit and people at Boren did a good job in their handling.  These cars were in this service when I came to Greensboro and were still in service when I left.  There was a spur track off of the south end of our RIP track on which we kept two of these cars for door repairs.  We also would redo the stenciling and car numbers and spray paint the worst areas..  A complete paint job was out of the question. It was not well known by a lot of people on the railroad that these cars even existed.  On occasions when we would have visitors from our department (and others) and when these people saw the clay hoppers the first words out of their mouths would be "scrap it".  I had to do a lot of quick talking to explain that there was a need for these cars.  Sales Department people at Greensboro took a dim view toward anyone who wanted to do away with them.  There was a sales lady who would fight anyone who dared to scrap one.   At one time we did get some relief.  One of our visitors who had the authority arranged to have a few cars rotated to Coster Shop for program work.  I was reluctant to ask to get authority to send them to a big shop for heavy repair.  I was worried that if I sent one away someone might want to scrap it instead of fixing it.    This included body and door work, a paint.job and conversion to roller bearings.  This did not last long and we were soon back to where we started.  Coster did began to send us material to rework the doors.  The problem was that no two doors were alike and each had to be fabricated.  I kept a file in my office on these cars.  I had a list of all of the cars that I knew of that were on the branch and would record when they were serviced.  We would add to the list as we encountered them on our road trips.   At times cars would get out of their regular cycle.  There was a brick plant at Roseboro, NC on CSX where they went.  I think that it was a Boren operation.  At times we would see where Hamlet did repacks and air work. Roseboro is on the former ACL portion of the A&Y and is just east of Fayetteville.  There was another brick plant at or near Blacksburg, SC to where they would venture.  It too was a Boren operation.  The cars did well on the low speed Sanford Local. However it would give me restless moments to think of them on the main line.  I don't remember of any hot boxes that we had.  We did have door chains to break but never lost any loads or be derailed.  It is interesting to note that there was one of these cars that was stenciled "When empty return to FEC for sugar cane loading".  Boren employees were very satisfied with the cars.  Sales people at Greensboro were happy with the business that they provided.  We in the Mechanical Department were glad that they provided work for us.  It was good local business that contributed to paying our way.  I am not  sure how long they lasted after I left Greensboro.  I did have a few conversations with the sales people after I left.  Years later and after I had retired was when I had my first encounter with the the one that is at Spencer.  I had no idea that it was there and had been preserved.  It was like running into an old friend.                     


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 3:55 PM D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:
Thanks guys for the answers and pics.  Some serious weathering projects there!

I assume the reason for the "clamshell" doors is regular coal car doors wouldn't be tight enough to keep wet clay from leaking out.


Scott Chatfield


locked James Carryl, Freddie Godwin contact me off list pls

Jim King
 

Please contact me off-list re: the SOU/NS wood chip hopper kits project.  Your email addresses don’t seem to be working.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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locked SOU/NS wood chip hopper kit rerun deadline approaching

Jim King
 

Quick reminder that the January 23rd cutoff date to pre-order a limited rerun of Southern and NS wood chip hopper resin kits is just 2 days away.  This is the last day to place a reservation and guarantee you’ll receive kits.  No future run of these kits is planned at this time so it’s “now or (maybe) never”.

 

To view the pilot model and prototype pix, go to my web site link below, then click on the “HO ROLLING STOCK” orange banner.  Please send questions, pre-orders, etc. to me off-list.  Thank you.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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locked Re: Southern weed spraying trains in 1960s

Stephen Warner
 

Just a comment on the bridge greasing and the discontinuing.  In the late 70's, I went with Bernie Schwartz to a bridge that collapsed under a loaded Big Red coal train over the Big Warrior River on the NA.  It was a thru truss, and a hanger had broken.  So it was to be ultra sonic tested, but first all the grease had to be removed to allow the testing.  They found more cracked hangers (this led to replacing thru  truss bridges as much as possible), and the R&T Dept also recommended removing all grease from bridges, since it covered cracks and faults from the periodic inspection by B&B.  So rust and weathering is safer than uniform grease covering.....


locked Re: OC 5 at the unloading site

George Eichelberger
 

David:

I do not expect there is a specific TVRM “plan” for Sou 5 at this moment, its restoration will come first.

As it will be operational, as opposed to a “museum piece”, the car will certainly be used on TVRM trains to some degree. (Producing revenue for TVRM is important for any piece of rolling stock.)

The restoration work already done on the car was for it to be used as a “PV” on Amtrak. While attitudes at Amtrak, NS and CSX may not be supportive of any kind of private car or excursion moves at this time, TVRM cars have HEP, chemical toilets, etc. so all of those upgrades will be useful.

TVRM has two direct connections to NS and an “almost" connection to CSX…who can imagine what might be possible in the future?

Ike

PS Don’t forget TVRM’s Southern Budd diner 3307 recently purchased from Amtrak…another “main line” ready car.



On Jan 15, 2020, at 10:41 AM, David Payne via Groups.Io <davidcofga@...> wrote:


Ike,
Do you know TVRM's plan for the car?  Marv knows what I'm thinking ...
David Payne


In a message dated 1/15/2020 10:34:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, geichelberger@... writes:

Marvin:

Yes! That is the plan…

I will put the entire Point Richmond, OC-X…OC-5, NS8 file on line at this week ends archives work session (we’ll also take time to go see NS8). That file contains everything needed to restore Southern Railway No. 5 to its pre merger appearance. It would be great to see others interested in preserving the history of the Sou Rwy chip in with cash, technical help or elbow grease.

Ike


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Ike, you say the car will be restored as SR OC #5.  Would that be in original Pullman green paint as well?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked Re: OC 5 at the unloading site

David Payne
 


Ike,
Do you know TVRM's plan for the car?  Marv knows what I'm thinking ...
David Payne


In a message dated 1/15/2020 10:34:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, geichelberger@... writes:

Marvin:

Yes! That is the plan…

I will put the entire Point Richmond, OC-X…OC-5, NS8 file on line at this week ends archives work session (we’ll also take time to go see NS8). That file contains everything needed to restore Southern Railway No. 5 to its pre merger appearance. It would be great to see others interested in preserving the history of the Sou Rwy chip in with cash, technical help or elbow grease.

Ike


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Ike, you say the car will be restored as SR OC #5.  Would that be in original Pullman green paint as well?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked Re: OC 5 at the unloading site

George Eichelberger
 

Marvin:

Yes! That is the plan…

I will put the entire Point Richmond, OC-X…OC-5, NS8 file on line at this week ends archives work session (we’ll also take time to go see NS8). That file contains everything needed to restore Southern Railway No. 5 to its pre merger appearance. It would be great to see others interested in preserving the history of the Sou Rwy chip in with cash, technical help or elbow grease.

Ike


On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Ike, you say the car will be restored as SR OC #5.  Would that be in original Pullman green paint as well?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked Re: OC 5 at the unloading site

Carl Ardrey
 

Of course.  

On January 15, 2020 at 8:41 AM Marv Clemons <mclemonsjr@...> wrote:

Ike, you say the car will be restored as SR OC #5.  Would that be in original Pullman green paint as well?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons

 


locked Re: OC 5 at the unloading site

Marv Clemons
 

Ike, you say the car will be restored as SR OC #5.  Would that be in original Pullman green paint as well?

Thanks,
Marv Clemons


locked OC 5 at the unloading site

George Eichelberger
 

Southern Railway official car No 5 (disguised as NS No 8) arrived at Chattanooga this afternoon. It will be set on trucks tomorrow and moved to the TVRM Soule Shops to be restored as Southern Railway OC No 5. It was converted by the Southern from Pullman “Point Richmond” in 1956.

If anyone wants to help with putting it into service, please contact me or Tim Andrews at TVRM.

Ike






locked Re: Southern Wood Chip Service Hoppers

Jim King
 

The trucks under Ed’s shot of 73648 appear to be 40-ton, maybe 50-ton, capacity most likely left over from scrapped 40-ft boxcars.  The car’s 70-ton capacity is likely impossible now it’s in chip hauling service.  A 70-ton Barber-type truck would have 2 springs in the front row, 3 in the 2nd row and 2 in the inner row.  40-tonners have just 2 rows of 2 springs each while a 50-ton version has a 5th springs in the middle of the 4-spring array.

 

Maybe the lighter-than-clay (or coal) chip loads is the reasoning behind swapping old plain bearing trucks with lighter-duty RB’s.  Even soaking wet, chips wouldn’t approach 70-tons.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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locked Re: Clay hoppers

George Eichelberger
 

Scott:

I have not checked to see if they are correct for clay hopper conversions but they ARE absolutely correct for Southern. I questioned their freight car brown color with Roman lettering. The attached photo, and others I shot confirm they are SR prototypes, in FCB with proper lettering. Note the following photo from David Lehlbach. Actually, I should not have questioned it, Tangent does superior research and development.

May I suggest that everyone that models the Southern in HO should go to the Tangent web site and order several! We will only see this quality model if we support the companies that produce and sell them.

Ike

PS While people are ordering Southern cars, they might also consider getting a few “Dixie Line” L&N versions….they are beautiful!



On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:06 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

Ike wondered:

> PS I have not checked but might the new Tangent hoppers be a starting point for a model of these?

Tangent's 3-bay hopper is a Pullman 15-panel PS-3, 2700cf if memory serves.  L&N owned a LOT.  Southern, I don't think so.

These clay hoppers were rebuilt from 9-panel 3-bays, a post-WW2 AAR standard design mostly associated with ACF.  I don't recall who built the Southern's.  (It's in the diagram book, I'm sure.)  Atlas makes a basic model of this car in their Trainman line.  The old MDC rib-side 3-bay is also this design.  Neither are going to be confused for a Tangent.

Ike might have been thinking of the recent Arrowhead Models coal hopper, which is a 12-panel 3-bay.  The original NS got some of these, and of course these went to the Southern.  I wonder why NS bought those?


Scott Chatfield
<Sou 73648 clay hopper (wood chips) Linwood Yard 7-96_2.jpeg>


locked Re: Clay hoppers

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Ike wondered:

> PS I have not checked but might the new Tangent hoppers be a starting point for a model of these?

Tangent's 3-bay hopper is a Pullman 15-panel PS-3, 2700cf if memory serves.  L&N owned a LOT.  Southern, I don't think so.

These clay hoppers were rebuilt from 9-panel 3-bays, a post-WW2 AAR standard design mostly associated with ACF.  I don't recall who built the Southern's.  (It's in the diagram book, I'm sure.)  Atlas makes a basic model of this car in their Trainman line.  The old MDC rib-side 3-bay is also this design.  Neither are going to be confused for a Tangent.

Ike might have been thinking of the recent Arrowhead Models coal hopper, which is a 12-panel 3-bay.  The original NS got some of these, and of course these went to the Southern.  I wonder why NS bought those?


Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Clay hoppers and the "cousin" Chip hop

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Thanks guys for the answers and pics.  Some serious weathering projects there!

I assume the reason for the "clamshell" doors is regular coal car doors wouldn't be tight enough to keep wet clay from leaking out.


Scott Chatfield


locked Southern Wood Chip Service Hoppers

 

Ike,
 
I’ve attached a photo I took in May of 1996.  I just don’t remember where I took it.  I was living in Charlotte at the time and somewhat likely that’s where I was.  Anyway, it shows the ‘wood chip loading only’ stenciling on the bottom ridge of the car.  I feel sure this car fits in your category.
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 
 
 
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