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Charleston Union Station
George Eichelberger
There have been multiple conversations on the SouthernRailway.io group that describe the extent of the material in the SRHA archives. Although it will never be possible to make even a small portion of the archives available on-line, as people may be spending more time at home than usual we have uploaded an entire file on Charleston Union Station to Google Drive. Anyone interested in the subject can do their own “primary research” on what is probably an unknown aspect of Southern Railway history. The following link to Google Drive contains 183 individual scans of letters and newspaper clippings beginning with the fire that destroyed Charleston Union station January 10, 1947 continuing to 1954. Maps and photos of Charleston are located in other files. Please note that this is probably a one-time upload of an entire file. We simply do not have the volunteer manpower to repeat it. For anyone interested in this level of research, consider joining or donating to the SRHA archives. Also, please provide your comments…. Ike
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train show: Harrisburg, Penna. Saturday, March 14
Cohen Bob
Just a little reminder of the annual Harrisburg, Penna train show this Saturday, March 14, 2020.
It will be held from 9 am to 3 pm at the I.W. Abel Union Hall of the Steelworkers Union at 200 Gibson Street in Steelton, Pa. 17113. Admission is $5 and kids are free and like all these things, you never quite know who and what's gonna be there. No doubt there will be models and parts a plenty but there should also be a goodly selection of railroad books, magazines both current, recent and who knows what else, railroadianna, papers issued by the railroads and depending upon whom you see and how anxious you are to acquire their wares, or how anxious they are to sell their goodies, the negotiations are often-times where the real fun is. No doubt some timetables of your favorite railroads will be there as well, so make sure to get there early and cherry-pick the goodies. Videos of all RR subjects imaginable should also be there and a test track for your new purchased models is also present, not to mention some operating modular layouts. If you are hungry, there's a snack bar as well. In addition, the sponsoring club, the Harrisburg Chapter, NRHS will have their Harris Tower open for tours and viewing at the Amtrak/former PRR station so there's another option, and who knows what action your camera might record while there. How do you get to the show? I'm glad YOU asked that: It is located 1 mile south of I-83 in Harrisburg. From I-83N, use Exit 44b, then go south on 19th Street to Gibson, turn RIGHT, and follow your nose until you get to the Union Hall. From I-83S, use Exit 44 B, make a left at the stop sign, then left on Paxton St., then right onto 19th Street to Gibson. Turn Right on Gibson and once again, follow your nose. Hope to see you there and hope you have a great time.
Bob Cohen
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Re: Derail sign
Stephen Warner
Don't forget the SR standard for derails on tracks descending to main tracks. In the early 70's we were instructed to make a report on those locations, and many of them were replaced with switchpoint derails, as well as all new track constrcution. The direction of the points were away from the main tracks. If I recall correctly, they had a standard switch target. Prior to this, I had a call to go to Greenland where the ASG Glass plant had a descending lead with a Hayes derail. A hopper car had run down the lead, hopped over the derail and kept going out onto the (dark) main line. Never got a wheel off of the rail except momentarily when the wheel "in the air" over the derail. No main line trains were involved, but it may have been industry-caused or the local may have let one get away. We replaced it with a sw. pt. derail. In another instance, the Night Local got one over the Hayes flop-over derail at Frisco Yd, shoving in a set off. It was a new brakeman, and he threw off the adjacent derail to the track that he lined up. Clarence McGee, my ATS used to say that the one thing that worked on SR was the derail. But at Greenland he was wrong.
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train show reminder: Harrisburg, Penna. Saturday, March 14
Cohen Bob
Just a little reminder of the annual Harrisburg, Penna train show on Saturday, March 14, 2020. It will be held from 9 am to 3 pm at the I.W. Abel Union Hall of the Steelworkers Union at 200 Gibson Street in Steelton, Pa. 17113. Admission is $5 and kids are free and like all these things, you never quite know who and what's gonna be there. No doubt there will be models and parts a plenty but there should also be a goodly selection of railroad books, magazines both current, recent and who knows what else, railroadianna, papers issued by the railroads and depending upon whom you see and how anxious you are to acquire their wares, or how anxious they are to sell their goodies, the negotiations are often-times where the real fun is. No doubt some timetables of your favorite railroads will be there as well, so make sure to get there early and cherry-pick the goodies. Videos of all RR subjects imaginable should also be there and a test track for your new purchased models is also present, not to mention some operating modular layouts. If you are hungry, there's a snack bar as well. In addition, the sponsoring club, the Harrisburg Chapter, NRHS will have their Harris Tower open for tours and viewing at the Amtrak/former PRR station so there's another option, and who knows what action your camera might record while there. How do you get to the show? Here is what I have: It is located 1 mile south of I-83 in Harrisburg. From I-83N, use Exit 44b, then go south on 19th Street to Gibson, turn RIGHT, and follow your nose until you get to the Union Hall. From I-83S, use Exit 44 B, make a left at the stop sign, then left on Paxton St., then right onto 19th Street to Gibson. Turn Right on Gibson and once again, follow your nose. Hope to see you there and hope you have a great time. Bob Cohen
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Re: Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
Much thanks! So no "D" or "Derail" or "Attend Derail" pointing out the obvious. Explains why I can't find anything. ...
-- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Re: Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
That's the era, Bill! I've searched the web for a photo --anything -- of what that sign would look like.
-- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Re: Derail sign
David Payne
DP
On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
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Re: Derail sign
Used to be you had to know the territory. Logic says a derail protects against a movement coming out into the main line at spur tracks, at industries like tank farms where there are connections to cars ( usually under blue flag protection controlled by the plant) , shop areas, etc etc .
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Just look for the large lump of orange iron, and make sure it’s off before entering the track. Had an old school roadforeman always tell the new hires “ kid don’t call me at 2 am to let me know the derail works”. It was drilled into us to know where they were on our territory and not to run them over . Todd Pearson
On Mar 4, 2020, at 10:13 AM, pschmidt3013@... wrote:
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Re: Derail sign
Carl Ardrey
Painted orange, standards for location, and I promise we all knew where they were.
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CEA
On Mar 4, 2020, at 11:11 AM, pschmidt3013@... wrote:
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Re: Derail sign
Bill Schafer
What time era are you interested in? In the 1970s, we painted the derails white. Otherwise, no other indication was necessary.
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Re: Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
Understood. So how did the Southern indicate to TY&E that a derail was present?
-- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Re: Derail sign
Carl Ardrey
Paul:
No such animal. The derail sign is a General Code of Operating Rules requirement, not SOU.
CEA
On March 4, 2020 at 5:29 AM pschmidt3013@... wrote:
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Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
I'm looking for a photo of a Southern derail or "D" sign/target.
Thank you. -- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Derailment, Springfiled, VA
Carl Ardrey
Attached is first telegraphic report of derailment of No 38, Springfield, VA, 1905, from SRHA archives.
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Re: What was disposition of Harry Borsum's slide collection
When I was working on my Smooth Side book, I tracked down a person who had some of Borsum's smooth side slides. I tracked down his daughter and was told that he had passed and I think she gave me the lead for the new owner, not sure. I can't find the email that I received from the gentleman who sent me good slides so that I could scan them. I will see if I can find it and if so I'll send the info to you. I'm not sure how many of Borsum's slides he had just that I was interested in the smooth side cars. Fenton
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:20 AM Jim King <jimking3@...> wrote:
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Re: What was disposition of Harry Borsum's slide collection
Jim King
Ooops, got the 2 Harry’s confused. Thanks for clarifying, Bill. The question still remains: where did Harry Borsum’s slides end up?
Jim King http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/
-- Jim King http://smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: What was disposition of Harry Borsum's slide collection
David Payne
Thanks, Bill ... I should have checked the date first.
David
In a message dated 2/20/2020 2:27:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, bill4501@... writes:
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Re: What was disposition of Harry Borsum's slide collection
Bill Schafer
No - much earlier than that. November 24, 1963. The photographer chased the train from Almond to Enka on a glorious fall day.
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Another photographer, David Salter, also chased that train - different year, I think, but same idea. Eastbound from Almond to Enka. I don’t think his images have been published, though the weather was similar to the 1963 photos. —Bill
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Re: What was disposition of Harry Borsum's slide collection
C J Wyatt
Harry Bundy was in college back in the sixties, I believe, so no. Jack Wyatt
On Thursday, February 20, 2020, 02:14:27 PM EST, David Payne via Groups.Io <davidcofga@...> wrote:
Perhaps an office car special, but was that Harold Hall's "funeral train?"
David Payne I’ve been told he has a photo spread in Southern in Color Vol 3 showing an office car special on the Murphy Branch. A copy of that book is in-transit to me now.
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Re: What was disposition of Harry Borsum's slide collection
David Payne
Perhaps an office car special, but was that Harold Hall's "funeral train?"
David Payne
In a message dated 2/20/2020 10:57:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, jimking3@... writes:
I’ve been told he has a photo spread in Southern in Color Vol 3 showing an office car special on the Murphy Branch. A copy of that book is in-transit to me now.
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