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Re: Charleston Union Station
George Eichelberger
I forget this was in the SRHA digital files!
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Ike 
On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:30 PM, SouRwyFan via Groups.Io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote: Wow, interesting reading! It opens lots of questions in my mind. What cars were used as the coach station, each time? Did they go back into service afterwards? How long did the new Southern station last? Is it still standing or did it past into history like the Union station? Kind of peaks your interest on the subject quickly. Thanks for sharing Ike
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Re: Charleston Union Station
George Eichelberger
I expect the coaches were 1400 series cars the Southern never planned to rebuild. The answer may be in the “passenger” equipment spreadsheet populated with info from the ICC records. A passenger car, ICC account 54, would have been changed to account 16 “Station and Office Buildings” about the time they were placed at Line St.
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The drawing of the “depot” in the file you downloaded was from “Ripleys Believe it or Not”. The fluting on the drawing was never on any Southern hwt coach. As you may have seen, for the locals rebuilding a Union Station may have been more about getting tracks off of the peninsula than building a new depot. The Southern, with only one passenger train at the time, did not care to spend the money and the Coast Line wanted to use only their N. Charleston station to avoid the backup move to the Union Station site. Ike 
On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:30 PM, SouRwyFan via Groups.Io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote: Wow, interesting reading! It opens lots of questions in my mind. What cars were used as the coach station, each time? Did they go back into service afterwards? How long did the new Southern station last? Is it still standing or did it past into history like the Union station? Kind of peaks your interest on the subject quickly. Thanks for sharing Ike
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Re: Charleston Union Station
SouRwyFan
Wow, interesting reading!
It opens lots of questions in my mind. What cars were used as the coach station, each time? Did they go back into service afterwards? How long did the new Southern station last? Is it still standing or did it past into history like the Union station? Kind of peaks your interest on the subject quickly. Thanks for sharing Ike
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Re: Passenger Car Lettering
Thanks George, pretty funny seeing how Southern picked out the new scheme! I guess it would have been a common sight to see heavyweight trains with both the old Roman lettering and new block lettering in the consist. -Evan Miller
On Saturday, March 14, 2020, 02:52:49 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
The first use of the 7" block style passenger car lettering was on the “Southerner” and “Tennessean” trains of 1941. The SRHA archives contain a letter from Pullman-Standard asking how the railroad wanted its new lightweight cars to be lettered. At first, the Southern had no idea. As EMC had already created 7" “SOUTHERN” lettering for the E-6s, a copy of that drawing was sent to P-S to be used. Most “stencil” (lettering placement) drawings and drawings for individual full size letters and numerals; Roman, Official car and block are in the SRHA archives Ike
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Re: Passenger Car Lettering
George Eichelberger
The first use of the 7" block style passenger car lettering was on the “Southerner” and “Tennessean” trains of 1941. The SRHA archives contain a letter from Pullman-Standard asking how the railroad wanted its new lightweight cars to be lettered. At first, the Southern had no idea. As EMC had already created 7" “SOUTHERN” lettering for the E-6s, a copy of that drawing was sent to P-S to be used.
Most “stencil” (lettering placement) drawings and drawings for individual full size letters and numerals; Roman, Official car and block are in the SRHA archives Ike
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Passenger Car Lettering
Hello all. When did Southern begin to use this simplified lettering on passenger cars?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/passenger/575.jpg
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Charleston Union Station
George Eichelberger
There have been multiple conversations on the SouthernRailway.io group that describe the extent of the material in the SRHA archives. Although it will never be possible to make even a small portion of the archives available on-line, as people may be spending more time at home than usual we have uploaded an entire file on Charleston Union Station to Google Drive. Anyone interested in the subject can do their own “primary research” on what is probably an unknown aspect of Southern Railway history. The following link to Google Drive contains 183 individual scans of letters and newspaper clippings beginning with the fire that destroyed Charleston Union station January 10, 1947 continuing to 1954. Maps and photos of Charleston are located in other files. Please note that this is probably a one-time upload of an entire file. We simply do not have the volunteer manpower to repeat it. For anyone interested in this level of research, consider joining or donating to the SRHA archives. Also, please provide your comments…. Ike
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train show: Harrisburg, Penna. Saturday, March 14
Cohen Bob
Just a little reminder of the annual Harrisburg, Penna train show this Saturday, March 14, 2020.
It will be held from 9 am to 3 pm at the I.W. Abel Union Hall of the Steelworkers Union at 200 Gibson Street in Steelton, Pa. 17113. Admission is $5 and kids are free and like all these things, you never quite know who and what's gonna be there. No doubt there will be models and parts a plenty but there should also be a goodly selection of railroad books, magazines both current, recent and who knows what else, railroadianna, papers issued by the railroads and depending upon whom you see and how anxious you are to acquire their wares, or how anxious they are to sell their goodies, the negotiations are often-times where the real fun is. No doubt some timetables of your favorite railroads will be there as well, so make sure to get there early and cherry-pick the goodies. Videos of all RR subjects imaginable should also be there and a test track for your new purchased models is also present, not to mention some operating modular layouts. If you are hungry, there's a snack bar as well. In addition, the sponsoring club, the Harrisburg Chapter, NRHS will have their Harris Tower open for tours and viewing at the Amtrak/former PRR station so there's another option, and who knows what action your camera might record while there. How do you get to the show? I'm glad YOU asked that: It is located 1 mile south of I-83 in Harrisburg. From I-83N, use Exit 44b, then go south on 19th Street to Gibson, turn RIGHT, and follow your nose until you get to the Union Hall. From I-83S, use Exit 44 B, make a left at the stop sign, then left on Paxton St., then right onto 19th Street to Gibson. Turn Right on Gibson and once again, follow your nose. Hope to see you there and hope you have a great time.
Bob Cohen
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Re: Derail sign
Stephen Warner
Don't forget the SR standard for derails on tracks descending to main tracks. In the early 70's we were instructed to make a report on those locations, and many of them were replaced with switchpoint derails, as well as all new track constrcution. The direction of the points were away from the main tracks. If I recall correctly, they had a standard switch target. Prior to this, I had a call to go to Greenland where the ASG Glass plant had a descending lead with a Hayes derail. A hopper car had run down the lead, hopped over the derail and kept going out onto the (dark) main line. Never got a wheel off of the rail except momentarily when the wheel "in the air" over the derail. No main line trains were involved, but it may have been industry-caused or the local may have let one get away. We replaced it with a sw. pt. derail. In another instance, the Night Local got one over the Hayes flop-over derail at Frisco Yd, shoving in a set off. It was a new brakeman, and he threw off the adjacent derail to the track that he lined up. Clarence McGee, my ATS used to say that the one thing that worked on SR was the derail. But at Greenland he was wrong.
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train show reminder: Harrisburg, Penna. Saturday, March 14
Cohen Bob
Just a little reminder of the annual Harrisburg, Penna train show on Saturday, March 14, 2020. It will be held from 9 am to 3 pm at the I.W. Abel Union Hall of the Steelworkers Union at 200 Gibson Street in Steelton, Pa. 17113. Admission is $5 and kids are free and like all these things, you never quite know who and what's gonna be there. No doubt there will be models and parts a plenty but there should also be a goodly selection of railroad books, magazines both current, recent and who knows what else, railroadianna, papers issued by the railroads and depending upon whom you see and how anxious you are to acquire their wares, or how anxious they are to sell their goodies, the negotiations are often-times where the real fun is. No doubt some timetables of your favorite railroads will be there as well, so make sure to get there early and cherry-pick the goodies. Videos of all RR subjects imaginable should also be there and a test track for your new purchased models is also present, not to mention some operating modular layouts. If you are hungry, there's a snack bar as well. In addition, the sponsoring club, the Harrisburg Chapter, NRHS will have their Harris Tower open for tours and viewing at the Amtrak/former PRR station so there's another option, and who knows what action your camera might record while there. How do you get to the show? Here is what I have: It is located 1 mile south of I-83 in Harrisburg. From I-83N, use Exit 44b, then go south on 19th Street to Gibson, turn RIGHT, and follow your nose until you get to the Union Hall. From I-83S, use Exit 44 B, make a left at the stop sign, then left on Paxton St., then right onto 19th Street to Gibson. Turn Right on Gibson and once again, follow your nose. Hope to see you there and hope you have a great time. Bob Cohen
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Re: Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
Much thanks! So no "D" or "Derail" or "Attend Derail" pointing out the obvious. Explains why I can't find anything. ...
-- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Re: Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
That's the era, Bill! I've searched the web for a photo --anything -- of what that sign would look like.
-- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Re: Derail sign
David Payne
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On Mar 4, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...> wrote:
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Re: Derail sign
Used to be you had to know the territory. Logic says a derail protects against a movement coming out into the main line at spur tracks, at industries like tank farms where there are connections to cars ( usually under blue flag protection controlled by the plant) , shop areas, etc etc .
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Just look for the large lump of orange iron, and make sure it’s off before entering the track. Had an old school roadforeman always tell the new hires “ kid don’t call me at 2 am to let me know the derail works”. It was drilled into us to know where they were on our territory and not to run them over . Todd Pearson
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Re: Derail sign
Carl Ardrey
Painted orange, standards for location, and I promise we all knew where they were.
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CEA
On Mar 4, 2020, at 11:11 AM, pschmidt3013@... wrote:
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Re: Derail sign
Bill Schafer
What time era are you interested in? In the 1970s, we painted the derails white. Otherwise, no other indication was necessary.
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Re: Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
Understood. So how did the Southern indicate to TY&E that a derail was present?
-- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Re: Derail sign
Carl Ardrey
Paul:
No such animal. The derail sign is a General Code of Operating Rules requirement, not SOU.
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Derail sign
Paul Schmidt
I'm looking for a photo of a Southern derail or "D" sign/target.
Thank you. -- Paul Schmidt Sequim WA
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Derailment, Springfiled, VA
Carl Ardrey
Attached is first telegraphic report of derailment of No 38, Springfield, VA, 1905, from SRHA archives.
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