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locked Re: Southern Ps-4 picture info

George Eichelberger
 

Jason:

I agree about Atlanta Term Station but I cannot confirm the location using the ATS interlocking drawing (GRS 2-1-39, last updated 9-23-40). The string of REA cars in the photo must be farther from the Railway Express building than they look? The paving across the tracks in front of the engine really helps….track 12?

Here’s a snippet from the drawing. At 100M, it’s too large to send and details would be lost if I tried to reduce the whole thing. The file the drawing comes from in the archives is on the rehab of the terminal’s interlocking.

Ike




On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:

Looks like Atlanta at Terminal Station. 

Jason Greene 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:50 PM, jhtmd1@... wrote:



Hello, new to the group. It was highly recommended by a fellow modeler.  I need some information regarding a photo of a Southern Ps-4.  Does anyone recognize the area, date, and most important the cab number of the engine?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks so much.



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locked Re: Mystery Hopper Class

O Fenton Wells
 

According to the diagram book these cars 78800-79299 were built by PS in 1975
Fenton

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:06 PM darrell2010 via groups.io <darrell2010=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Good memory. SOU 78800-79299, PS, Lot 9883, 7=8/75. 

Darrell Sawyer



On Friday, April 10, 2020, 02:03:17 PM MDT, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


Pullman-Standard, if memory serves.  Not ex-CG.


Scott Chatfield


"Evan Miller via groups.io" <nsrailfan82=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention.  Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay  Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg
-Evan Miller



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locked Re: Safety slogans on cabooses

Bill Schafer
 

I’m going by memory here, but IIRC, the safety slogans on cabooses were commonplace in the 1970s but they weren’t universal. I clearly remember the slogans in the Southern Railway era - they were NOT an NS initiative.

Maybe someone on this list can confirm or debunk, but what I remember is that Southern started to get serious about safety in the 1970s during the Graham Claytor administration. Safety committees were formed on each division, and I’m betting that one of the safety gimmicks was for each committee to come up with a catchy slogan(s) to be stenciled at the steps of cabooses, maybe at a local rip track. The Union Pacific had been sloganeering their cabooses for some time before Southern, and Southern’s practice seemed to me to emulate the UP. 

Of the examples illustrated up to now, it looks to me that the slogans were localized. What I mean is that if anyone had come up with a list of slogans and where they originated, you could tell what safety committee came up with a given slogan. 

I’m not surprised that the slogans continued into the NS era. What we sometimes forget is that much of the Southern still looked like the Southern five years or so after merger with N&W in 1982. The reason is that the operating departments of the component railroads were operated separately until Robert Claytor retired in 1987. Because railroads were trying hard to phase out cabooses in the early 1980s, and because, operating-wise, there still was a “Southern” and an “N&W” in the mid-1980s, I’m not aware of any caboose that was painted “Norfolk Southern” and used in regular caboose service. They stayed SOU or N&W to the end, and the SOU slogans would have stayed intact on the steps of their cabooses. 

—Bill Schafer



On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

I have a number of caboose photos that have them. Most are two lines in small white letters and not readable in lower resolution scans. I have not gone back to my original slides or negatives to check but there appears to e numerous slogans!

Warren


On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:57 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Warren:

I don’t see references to safety slogans on any cab drawings or documentation we have scanned.

I don’t recall ever seeing any on a photo but I’d expect they would be like on steam locos, done at a Division, shop or even roundhouse level rather than a “system” standard we’d see in Mechanical or Engineering Dept. documentation?

Have you seen an example?

Ike

PS Things have been hectic for everyone lately, but we are moving ahead to get quotes on casting parts for the ex-WrightTrak bay window cabs so SRHA can make them available.


On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

YIs there a list of the safety slogans on Southern cabooses!

W Calloway





locked Re: Mystery Hopper Class

darrell2010
 

Good memory. SOU 78800-79299, PS, Lot 9883, 7=8/75. 

Darrell Sawyer



On Friday, April 10, 2020, 02:03:17 PM MDT, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:


Pullman-Standard, if memory serves.  Not ex-CG.


Scott Chatfield


"Evan Miller via groups.io" <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention.  Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay  Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg
-Evan Miller


locked Re: Mystery Hopper Class

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Pullman-Standard, if memory serves.  Not ex-CG.


Scott Chatfield


"Evan Miller via groups.io" <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:
Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention.  Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay  Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg
-Evan Miller


locked Re: Southern Ps-4 picture info

Jeffrey Thompson
 

Thanks Jason

Jeff Thompson


locked Re: Safety slogans on cabooses

Warren Calloway
 

I have a number of caboose photos that have them. Most are two lines in small white letters and not readable in lower resolution scans. I have not gone back to my original slides or negatives to check but there appears to e numerous slogans!

Warren


On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:57 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Warren:

I don’t see references to safety slogans on any cab drawings or documentation we have scanned.

I don’t recall ever seeing any on a photo but I’d expect they would be like on steam locos, done at a Division, shop or even roundhouse level rather than a “system” standard we’d see in Mechanical or Engineering Dept. documentation?

Have you seen an example?

Ike

PS Things have been hectic for everyone lately, but we are moving ahead to get quotes on casting parts for the ex-WrightTrak bay window cabs so SRHA can make them available.


On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

YIs there a list of the safety slogans on Southern cabooses!

W Calloway




locked Re: Mystery Hopper Class

Jason Greene
 

Are these ex-CG cars? 

Jason Greene 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Evan Miller via groups.io <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:

Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention.  Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay  Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg
-Evan Miller


locked Re: Southern Ps-4 picture info

Jason Greene
 

Looks like Atlanta at Terminal Station. 

Jason Greene 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:50 PM, jhtmd1@... wrote:



Hello, new to the group. It was highly recommended by a fellow modeler.  I need some information regarding a photo of a Southern Ps-4.  Does anyone recognize the area, date, and most important the cab number of the engine?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks so much.


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locked Mystery Hopper Class

Evan Miller
 

Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention.  Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay  Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg
-Evan Miller


locked Re: Fairfax Harrison and Federal Control 1918-1920

mike turner
 

Totally unrelated to federal control in 1918, archive.org has several speeches circa 1914 given by Harrison.

--
Mike Turner
MP-Z35


locked Re: Future Wax Use

George Eichelberger
 

Allen:

C’mon…you're among (Southern) friends here. No apologies are due anyone.

Ike


On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:

Ike,

My most heart felt apologies to all that I may have offended by asking this question here.

And thanks to those who offered their help.

Allen Cain


locked Southern Ps-4 picture info

Jeffrey Thompson
 

Hello, new to the group. It was highly recommended by a fellow modeler.  I need some information regarding a photo of a Southern Ps-4.  Does anyone recognize the area, date, and most important the cab number of the engine?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks so much.



locked Re: Future Wax Use

Allen Cain
 

Ike,

My most heart felt apologies to all that I may have offended by asking this question here.

And thanks to those who offered their help.

Allen Cain


locked Re: Safety slogans on cabooses

George Eichelberger
 

Kevin:

…and the red patches under the slogans are fresh.

The “word” at NS always was the N&W mechanical people ran that department after the merger. With few exceptions, I’d bet the slogans are like freight car class stencils on Southern cars……an NS project.



On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Kevin von der Lippe <kevin.vonderlippe@...> wrote:

Ike,
 
Unfortunately, I don’t know when or where the photo was taken.  I am attaching the full scan.  You can see from the consolidated stencil data it is at least 1984.
 
Kevin W. von der Lippe
 
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locked Re: Safety slogans on cabooses

Kevin von der Lippe
 

Ike,

 

Unfortunately, I don’t know when or where the photo was taken.  I am attaching the full scan.  You can see from the consolidated stencil data it is at least 1984.

 

Kevin W. von der Lippe

 


locked Re: Future Wax Use

George Eichelberger
 

Brian:

It certainly is not intended to be private??? There are a number of posts on it tho’ (nice photo of a Southern depressed center flat car and load, for example)…..

I’ll check, I could have screwed something up when I set it up!

Thanks for the heads up…

Ike


On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Brian Clark <brian.ag4bc@...> wrote:

Ike
Is that a private group?  The link does not work and the Groups.IO search does not show a public group with that name.
Brian
 
From: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Reply-To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 10, 2020 at 10:32 AM
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Future Wax Use
 
Stuart: 
 
It never changed. SouthernRailway@groups.io is new, not moved from anywhere. The home page description of the group:
 
"A group to discuss, ask questions and provide historical and modeling information about the Southern Railway System its predecessors and subsidiaries. It will also be used to publish and distribute drawings, notes, photos and correspondence from users and the Southern Railway Historical Association's archives at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga, TN.”
 
…includes “modeling” but I tried to write it so people would see “Southern Railway” as opposed to general modeling topics. I have nothing against modeling (CG combine “Ft. Mitchell” and other projects are in progress on my work bench right now) but the idea was to have that reside on the “ModelingTheSouthern.io” group. (I assume people have to subscribe to that group separately.) That is also a SRHA sponsored group with the idea that we could post drawings and information there that would be more useful to modelers than folks on this group.
 
I admit ModelingTheSouthern does not get as much attention as it should but if people ask questions about Southern prototypes, post photos of their models, etc., we can make more use of it. The criteria there should be accurate (SR) prototype modeling as we can without undue nit picking….but to include useful “rivet counting”?
 
Please…jump on ModelingTheSouthern and participate!
 
Ike
 
 
 
On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Stuart Thayer via groups.io <StuThayer@...> wrote:
 
Ike, 
 
When did that change?  We used to have lots of modeling discussions on this list before it moved over to Groups.io.
 

Stuart Thayer 



On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:27 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Allen: 
 
You are correct, this is not the place to ask modeling technique questions….
 
Ike
 
 
On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
 
This may be off topic but not sure where to ask this question.

When using Future Wax as a base for decals, what is the best way to apply it?
  • Brush on
  • Airbrush on
  • Spray on with a small pump sprayer?
And do I assume that you only apply it where a decal will be placed?

Pretty basic but I am new to this technique and appreciate any advice.  If off topic, please reply off list or suggest another list where I should post this, again, off list please to avoid cluttering things up.

Thanks in advance,

Allen Cain 
 
 



locked Re: Future Wax Use

Brian Clark
 

Ike

Is that a private group?  The link does not work and the Groups.IO search does not show a public group with that name.

Brian

 

From: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Reply-To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Date: Friday, April 10, 2020 at 10:32 AM
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Future Wax Use

 

Stuart:

 

It never changed. SouthernRailway@groups.io is new, not moved from anywhere. The home page description of the group:

 

"A group to discuss, ask questions and provide historical and modeling information about the Southern Railway System its predecessors and subsidiaries. It will also be used to publish and distribute drawings, notes, photos and correspondence from users and the Southern Railway Historical Association's archives at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga, TN.”

 

…includes “modeling” but I tried to write it so people would see “Southern Railway” as opposed to general modeling topics. I have nothing against modeling (CG combine “Ft. Mitchell” and other projects are in progress on my work bench right now) but the idea was to have that reside on the “ModelingTheSouthern.io” group. (I assume people have to subscribe to that group separately.) That is also a SRHA sponsored group with the idea that we could post drawings and information there that would be more useful to modelers than folks on this group.

 

I admit ModelingTheSouthern does not get as much attention as it should but if people ask questions about Southern prototypes, post photos of their models, etc., we can make more use of it. The criteria there should be accurate (SR) prototype modeling as we can without undue nit picking….but to include useful “rivet counting”?

 

Please…jump on ModelingTheSouthern and participate!

 

Ike

 

 

 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Stuart Thayer via groups.io <StuThayer@...> wrote:

 

Ike,

 

When did that change?  We used to have lots of modeling discussions on this list before it moved over to Groups.io.

 

Stuart Thayer 



On Apr 10, 2020, at 8:27 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Allen:

 

You are correct, this is not the place to ask modeling technique questions….

 

Ike

 

 

On Apr 9, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

 

This may be off topic but not sure where to ask this question.

When using Future Wax as a base for decals, what is the best way to apply it?

  • Brush on
  • Airbrush on
  • Spray on with a small pump sprayer?

And do I assume that you only apply it where a decal will be placed?

Pretty basic but I am new to this technique and appreciate any advice.  If off topic, please reply off list or suggest another list where I should post this, again, off list please to avoid cluttering things up.

Thanks in advance,

Allen Cain

 

 


locked Re: Safety slogans on cabooses

George Eichelberger
 

Kevin:

Do you know when the photo was taken? One of the others has a “1983” date….were slogans put on (ex?) SR cabs
by NS following N&W practice?

Ike



On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Kevin von der Lippe <kevin.vonderlippe@...> wrote:

The attached photo is from an unattributed print I have. 
 
Kevin W. von der Lippe
 
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locked Re: Safety slogans on cabooses

Kevin von der Lippe
 

The attached photo is from an unattributed print I have. 

 

Kevin W. von der Lippe

 

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