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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
David,
Some answers to your question #1:
From american-rails.com website
With most historical information per Bill Haithcoat
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From Car Names, Numbers and Consists, Published by
David,
Some answers to your question #1:
From american-rails.com website
With most historical information per Bill Haithcoat
>>Edited & removed<<
From Car Names, Numbers and Consists, Published by
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
I realize these book pages have already been distributed by the list BUT…..
Aside from the fact SRHA would not want to see pages from books it produced and copyrighted simply copied and distributed
I realize these book pages have already been distributed by the list BUT…..
Aside from the fact SRHA would not want to see pages from books it produced and copyrighted simply copied and distributed
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David,
An answer to your question #3:
All the 1941 built equipment rode on prewar trucks the were distinctive in that the brake cylinders were mounted low on the truck frame at the inward ends.
Their
David,
An answer to your question #3:
All the 1941 built equipment rode on prewar trucks the were distinctive in that the brake cylinders were mounted low on the truck frame at the inward ends.
Their
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
David,
Some observations on your question #2:
As for a late 1960's Crescent /early 1970's Southern Crescent,
The PS 56 seat coaches and diners, they didn't hold up well and were out of service by mid
David,
Some observations on your question #2:
As for a late 1960's Crescent /early 1970's Southern Crescent,
The PS 56 seat coaches and diners, they didn't hold up well and were out of service by mid
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I have pictures of at least three diversions of the Pelican over TA&G due to derailments on the AGS. Two in the mid 50s and one in the mid 60. I think I have the consist of at least one of those.
I have pictures of at least three diversions of the Pelican over TA&G due to derailments on the AGS. Two in the mid 50s and one in the mid 60. I think I have the consist of at least one of those.
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I lived along the AGS in north Alabama. I am interested in the make up of the passengers trains that used that route. I believe the two were the Birmingham Special and the Pelican. Can anyone help?
I lived along the AGS in north Alabama. I am interested in the make up of the passengers trains that used that route. I believe the two were the Birmingham Special and the Pelican. Can anyone help?
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
David:
The Royal Palm, the Peach Queen, and the Piedmont Limited of the 1960s all carried a lot of head-end traffic, typically in heavyweight cars. The Palm usually had lightweight coaches, but the
David:
The Royal Palm, the Peach Queen, and the Piedmont Limited of the 1960s all carried a lot of head-end traffic, typically in heavyweight cars. The Palm usually had lightweight coaches, but the
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Bob,
That actually looks like a train that would have originated straight out of North Avenue.
They were made up very different than Atlanta through trains.
BR, Rahl
Bob,
That actually looks like a train that would have originated straight out of North Avenue.
They were made up very different than Atlanta through trains.
BR, Rahl
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I for one have found this topic interesting as I like seeing the consists on varying dates. Also the other info on locomotives assigned and how they were assigned.
I saw one mention of the 11 Double
I for one have found this topic interesting as I like seeing the consists on varying dates. Also the other info on locomotives assigned and how they were assigned.
I saw one mention of the 11 Double
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James
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
That consist you describe, Bill, sounds almost like a "make-up" train assembled in a hurry after it was learned that the connecting train would be very, very late.
Bob Hanson
That consist you describe, Bill, sounds almost like a "make-up" train assembled in a hurry after it was learned that the connecting train would be very, very late.
Bob Hanson
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The Murphy Branch and Fontana Dam construction
The SR Presidents' files include correspondence on the Southern's Murphy branch spanning multiple years. The attached letter from TVA to the Southern, dated March 16, 1943 proposes that the railroad
The SR Presidents' files include correspondence on the Southern's Murphy branch spanning multiple years. The attached letter from TVA to the Southern, dated March 16, 1943 proposes that the railroad
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Initial comments:
The prewar Southerner would not have run with any full baggage or mail cars. Its original consist just had a combination baggage-dorm-coach ahead of the Jim Crow coach, then two full
Initial comments:
The prewar Southerner would not have run with any full baggage or mail cars. Its original consist just had a combination baggage-dorm-coach ahead of the Jim Crow coach, then two full
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From my time with the Charleston Chapter in the mid-1970s, I remember finding the mechanical record card in the electrical cabinet of the heavyweight Pullman "Bizet" and the last few entries indicated
From my time with the Charleston Chapter in the mid-1970s, I remember finding the mechanical record card in the electrical cabinet of the heavyweight Pullman "Bizet" and the last few entries indicated
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
Bob,
Thanks for the ordering thoughts. I just based that off the late 70's consist post I just on here from this weekend. I'll reorder once I can make a final determination of what cars need to be
Bob,
Thanks for the ordering thoughts. I just based that off the late 70's consist post I just on here from this weekend. I'll reorder once I can make a final determination of what cars need to be
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
Jason,
Interesting thought. What would a typical train look like for the royal palm, peach queen, or piedmont, in roughly the same time frame or slightly earlier? I'm far less familiar with those
Jason,
Interesting thought. What would a typical train look like for the royal palm, peach queen, or piedmont, in roughly the same time frame or slightly earlier? I'm far less familiar with those
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In the 1960's and 1970's the coaches generally ran ahead of the diner and the sleepers were placed behind it on almost all passenger trains. There were exceptions, but that was the general
In the 1960's and 1970's the coaches generally ran ahead of the diner and the sleepers were placed behind it on almost all passenger trains. There were exceptions, but that was the general
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Just my thoughts:
Using your list here-
late 1960's Crescent /early 1970's Southern Crescent (8-cars):
-1700 Corinth (60FT Bag-Mail, with plating over flutes)
-1751 Greeneville (Bag-Mail, with
Just my thoughts:
Using your list here-
late 1960's Crescent /early 1970's Southern Crescent (8-cars):
-1700 Corinth (60FT Bag-Mail, with plating over flutes)
-1751 Greeneville (Bag-Mail, with
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Southern Passenger Train Consist Similarities
All,
So maybe this isn't the right list serve for this topic, but I'll start here as its mostly historical in nature (with an admitted purpose to create factory models).
TLDR - Looking for some
All,
So maybe this isn't the right list serve for this topic, but I'll start here as its mostly historical in nature (with an admitted purpose to create factory models).
TLDR - Looking for some
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Discontinuances - 1966
Revealing also that the main concern expressed in Claytor's memo is regarding the movement of mail, not passengers, which along with REA were the only viable revenue streams.
Ironically, with fewer
Revealing also that the main concern expressed in Claytor's memo is regarding the movement of mail, not passengers, which along with REA were the only viable revenue streams.
Ironically, with fewer
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Re: Southern Passenger Train Discontinuances - 1966
Interesting to see the plans. While I was in Trans. at UT I saw the break in the Chatt. Connection with 17, but did not understand the reason. Going through the details of the ICC hearings, I
Interesting to see the plans. While I was in Trans. at UT I saw the break in the Chatt. Connection with 17, but did not understand the reason. Going through the details of the ICC hearings, I
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