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Dave:
You are correct of course. My thought when I made that comment to Bill Withun was the entire question of segregation on the Southern needed someone with a broad knowledge of the subject…not
Dave:
You are correct of course. My thought when I made that comment to Bill Withun was the entire question of segregation on the Southern needed someone with a broad knowledge of the subject…not
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I agree with Dave.
The facts have no color. The truth is the truth, no matter who utters (or writes) it.
Go for it, Ike.
Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA
I agree with Dave.
The facts have no color. The truth is the truth, no matter who utters (or writes) it.
Go for it, Ike.
Bob Hanson
Loganville, GA
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Why can’t a white guy write the article? Ike, you have the evidence, that’s reason enough to set the facts right, just as much as a young black woman had the reason to refuse to move from her
Why can’t a white guy write the article? Ike, you have the evidence, that’s reason enough to set the facts right, just as much as a young black woman had the reason to refuse to move from her
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Just want to say, I'm learning a lot from these threads. Out of curiosity, I know a few other museums, like NCTM, have Southern Jim Crow cars in their collection; has anyone else restored one and
Just want to say, I'm learning a lot from these threads. Out of curiosity, I know a few other museums, like NCTM, have Southern Jim Crow cars in their collection; has anyone else restored one and
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Bill:
Based upon everything I have read and learned here, the painting not being quite right (or maybe even right at all?), is sure believable. That said, what about the "shopping" referred to earlier
Bill:
Based upon everything I have read and learned here, the painting not being quite right (or maybe even right at all?), is sure believable. That said, what about the "shopping" referred to earlier
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Re: flexible segregated sections: I hadn't heard that SOU utilized the moveable-curtain solution, but it makes sense. It’s believable.
Re: 1401: The late Bernie Gallagher knew exactly what was wrong
Re: flexible segregated sections: I hadn't heard that SOU utilized the moveable-curtain solution, but it makes sense. It’s believable.
Re: 1401: The late Bernie Gallagher knew exactly what was wrong
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On both of these topics:
On the coaches, I was told that the segregated section was "elastic" as the passenger loads varied. This I refer to from those coaches which did NOT have a hard barrier at the
On both of these topics:
On the coaches, I was told that the segregated section was "elastic" as the passenger loads varied. This I refer to from those coaches which did NOT have a hard barrier at the
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All:
I don’t know that anyone has done a definitive analysis of the varying shades of green utilized by the railroads in the first half of the 20th Century. The Pullman Company utilized a shade of
All:
I don’t know that anyone has done a definitive analysis of the varying shades of green utilized by the railroads in the first half of the 20th Century. The Pullman Company utilized a shade of
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Wow,
Doesn't look like the Southern folks were Final Four basketball fans! I posted Saturday evening and there were seven responses before midnight! Seriously, thank you to all especially the drawing
Wow,
Doesn't look like the Southern folks were Final Four basketball fans! I posted Saturday evening and there were seven responses before midnight! Seriously, thank you to all especially the drawing
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The description of the Jim Crow car is unacceptable! We have an entire file of hand written notes from Southern Conductors that were forced to move families as their trains entered or left Jim Crow
The description of the Jim Crow car is unacceptable! We have an entire file of hand written notes from Southern Conductors that were forced to move families as their trains entered or left Jim Crow
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The article about this car is a disgrace and something that an institution like the Smithsonian should be ashamed of. As Ike said it is pure BS.
The history of Jim Crow Laws and the treatment of
The article about this car is a disgrace and something that an institution like the Smithsonian should be ashamed of. As Ike said it is pure BS.
The history of Jim Crow Laws and the treatment of
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Ed and everyone…..
Please run the link to Smithsonian.com at the beginning of this post and read what they say about the car…..
Total BS not worthy of them!
Ike
Ed and everyone…..
Please run the link to Smithsonian.com at the beginning of this post and read what they say about the car…..
Total BS not worthy of them!
Ike
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I think Floquil had a color they called “Coach Green “ which is close to the color The Smithsonian used. They should know to check things like this.
Ed Mims
I think Floquil had a color they called “Coach Green “ which is close to the color The Smithsonian used. They should know to check things like this.
Ed Mims
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I fully agree with Fenton Wells also. Now, comes the question: who will set the experts at The Smithsonian straight?
Also, there is a copy cat in “The Georgia State Railroad Museum” in Savannah
I fully agree with Fenton Wells also. Now, comes the question: who will set the experts at The Smithsonian straight?
Also, there is a copy cat in “The Georgia State Railroad Museum” in Savannah
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I agree with Fenton's comments 100%!
Every year, I get at least one letter, usually from someone that says they are working on a novel, asking about how the Southern dealt with race relations. It is
I agree with Fenton's comments 100%!
Every year, I get at least one letter, usually from someone that says they are working on a novel, asking about how the Southern dealt with race relations. It is
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For what it is worth I also find it interesting when looking at the SR Hayne Shop Partition Coach Interior Finish specs for color, materials and fabric interior finishes, the railroad does not
For what it is worth I also find it interesting when looking at the SR Hayne Shop Partition Coach Interior Finish specs for color, materials and fabric interior finishes, the railroad does not
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Ike,
I started a page on FB dedicated to that very proposition. It’s called “Fire Up 1401”.
Doug Alexander
Sent from my portable UNIVAC Computational Machine.
Ike,
I started a page on FB dedicated to that very proposition. It’s called “Fire Up 1401”.
Doug Alexander
Sent from my portable UNIVAC Computational Machine.
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According to the car specs it was Pullman Green No.4. Sides and roof.
Also if you look at the Passenger Car Diagram Book, by Bill Schafer although the restrooms in the 1200 are not labeled colored
According to the car specs it was Pullman Green No.4. Sides and roof.
Also if you look at the Passenger Car Diagram Book, by Bill Schafer although the restrooms in the 1200 are not labeled colored
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Jason is correct..we have the coach green drift card somewhere in the archives. Of course, everything is in a different place because of the move. Frank Greene contacted DuPont and got paint samples
Jason is correct..we have the coach green drift card somewhere in the archives. Of course, everything is in a different place because of the move. Frank Greene contacted DuPont and got paint samples
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