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Welcome
Carl Ardrey
As president of the SRHA I'd like to welcome everyone to this new group. I'd also like to invite those interested to participate in our archive work at the TVRM.
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Richmond & Danville "Despatch"
George Eichelberger
Until I learn how to cut some of the "thread" material out of messages, I'll make this separate.
Looking around in the SRHA digital files for additional info on the SR Arrow monogram, I found the attached stencil scheme for Southern vent box cars from 1897. The "billboard" stencil uses new "SR" initials but also includes "R&D Despatch" negotiated Aug 1, 1887. (Contract No 28, the cover and page 1 are attached. I can post the other six pages if anyone is interested.) One question I cannot find an answer for.....why is "dispatch" spelled "despatch" here and on "Atlantic Coast Despatch" (PRR/ACL)? from the same period? Note the cover and first page of the contract use "dispatch" spelling. Ike Ike 
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Re: Richmond & Danville "Despatch"
Robert Hanson
Bro. Webster says that "despatch" is a variation of "dispatch."
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Apparently both are correct.
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From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> Sent: Mon, Oct 15, 2018 5:35 pm Subject: [SouthernRailway] Richmond & Danville "Despatch" Until I learn how to cut some of the "thread" material out of messages, I'll make this separate.
Looking around in the SRHA digital files for additional info on the SR Arrow monogram, I found the attached stencil scheme for Southern vent box cars from 1897. The "billboard" stencil uses new "SR" initials but also includes "R&D Despatch" negotiated Aug 1, 1887. (Contract No 28, the cover and page 1 are attached. I can post the other six pages if anyone is interested.) One question I cannot find an answer for.....why is "dispatch" spelled "despatch" here and on "Atlantic Coast Despatch" (PRR/ACL)? from the same period? Note the cover and first page of the contract use "dispatch" spelling. Ike Ike |
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Re: Richmond & Danville "Despatch"
Bill Schafer
Ike:
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The Oxford English Dictionary lists both spellings with equal status. “Dispatch” is by far the more common spelling, uniquely so in the 16th, 17th, and 18th-century examples. “Despatch” seems to have become fashionable in the late Victorian period, which might explain why we see “Despatch” on freight cars in that timeframe. (above info from internet) The word “dispatch” (and “despatch”) derives from the Spanish “despachar”, meaning to expedite or hasten.] —Bill
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Re: Richmond & Danville "Despatch"
darrell2010
Ike, Per a dictionary, "despatch" has the same meaning as "dispatch", but was a common spelling in the 19th century before dispatch became the more common spelling. Darrell Sawyer
On Monday, October 15, 2018, 3:35:17 PM MDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Until I learn how to cut some of the "thread" material out of messages, I'll make this separate. Looking around in the SRHA digital files for additional info on the SR Arrow monogram, I found the attached stencil scheme for Southern vent box cars from 1897. The "billboard" stencil uses new "SR" initials but also includes "R&D Despatch" negotiated Aug 1, 1887. (Contract No 28, the cover and page 1 are attached. I can post the other six pages if anyone is interested.) One question I cannot find an answer for.....why is "dispatch" spelled "despatch" here and on "Atlantic Coast Despatch" (PRR/ACL)? from the same period? Note the cover and first page of the contract use "dispatch" spelling. Ike Ike |
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Re: Richmond & Danville "Despatch"
George Eichelberger
I “get” the two spellings but why did the railroad(s) chose to use the archaic version on car sides but not the contract wording? …..I’ll go with Bill Schafer’s “Victorian” era concept. Older items in the SR Presidents’ files use what could be considered archaic words and sentence structure quite often.
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Here is another one, I have asked before. Why did the Southern (and other railroads) put a “.” after their roadname on passenger equipment? Here is a superb drawing of a Southern coach dated September 8, 1900. The style disappeared from drawings not long after. The punctuation does not show on freight cars, including the two 1897 drawings in the archives. Ike PS If we had the highest quality prints made we could get of this coach, a wide vestibule version, a combine and a mail and baggage car, would anyone be interested in buying copies to support the SRHA archives?  On Oct 15, 2018, at 6:28 PM, darrell2010 via Groups.Io <darrell2010@...> wrote: Ike, Per a dictionary, "despatch" has the same meaning as "dispatch", but was a common spelling in the 19th century before dispatch became the more common spelling. Darrell Sawyer
On Monday, October 15, 2018, 3:35:17 PM MDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Until I learn how to cut some of the "thread" material out of messages, I'll make this separate. Looking around in the SRHA digital files for additional info on the SR Arrow monogram, I found the attached stencil scheme for Southern vent box cars from 1897. The "billboard" stencil uses new "SR" initials but also includes "R&D Despatch" negotiated Aug 1, 1887. (Contract No 28, the cover and page 1 are attached. I can post the other six pages if anyone is interested.) One question I cannot find an answer for.....why is "dispatch" spelled "despatch" here and on "Atlantic Coast Despatch" (PRR/ACL)? from the same period? Note the cover and first page of the contract use "dispatch" spelling. Ike Ike |
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Cooling Pipes on Southern E-6s
George Eichelberger
I have always liked how the Southern's modified E-6s looked.. As soon as I saw the Proto 2000 E-6s I have wanted to modify one in the same style.
The pier panels on the body castings Athern uses in their Fs are almost precisely the same (correct) dimension as the panels on the E-6s. After quite a bit of very careful cutting and filing, I am reasonably happy (see photo) with the result. In addition to the modified sides, the roof mounted aftercooler pipes are one of the "signature" parts of the units. BUT, there is a problem. All other piping on Es and Fs is just piping, the E-6s have 4x4" cooling fins. I can cut dozens of fins from plastic or brass, then drill and mount them on pipes but I am not certain that can be done with the accuracy and appearance anything mounted on a diesel's roof needs. Any ideas? Ike 
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D. Scott Chatfield
[In case anyone was wondering if Ike is nuts, here's your evidence....] Ike wrote: >BUT, there is a problem. All other piping on Es and Fs is just piping, the E-6s have 4x4" cooling fins. I can cut dozens of fins from plastic or brass, then drill and mount them on pipes but I am not certain that can be done with the accuracy and appearance anything mounted on a diesel's roof needs. Any ideas? Um, no you can't. Well, not to the level of accuracy called for in the drawing. HO fins would be less than .0003" thick. And then you'd need about 600 of them, and about 598 smaller spacers to keep them spaced properly. Okay, so maybe there is a way if you'll accept fins about ten times too thick. Etch the fins and spacers out of .002 brass or stainless. (I would think aluminum that thin would be too easily mangled.) 64 of those stacked (32 fins and spacers) would be about a scale foot long. The fins would be 4.5" square. The spacers more like tiny washers about the width of the pipe. Slide them on a thin rod, maybe .010"? You'll still need about 600 of each. Have fun! Don't sneeze! Scott Chatfield |
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I think about the only way to do this reasonably is with photo-etched metal. They'll all be the same size and the holes will be centered. Hunt around for someplace that does custom photo-etching. You may be able to get the fins and spacers both in one part. Be warned that the fins won't be thin enough (unless you change to #1 scale) and there will be fewer fins, but it should capture the effect your looking for.
And Ike isn't nuts. He's not trying to do this in N scale (unlike some of us). :) Tim Rumph Lancaster, SC |
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Re: Cooling Pipes on Southern E-6s
David Friedlander
Ike, Thanks for posting this. This was a detail I was hoping to figure out how to do in O scale at some point. Two questions. 1. Are there any existing good photos of what these look like? 2. The drawing says 1958 on it. Was this the first year these coils were put on E6 and/or E7 units? Thanks, David Friedlander On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 4:15 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: I have always liked how the Southern's modified E-6s looked.. As soon as I saw the Proto 2000 E-6s I have wanted to modify one in the same style. |
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Belated welcome message
George Eichelberger
First of all, to everyone that has joined the Southern Railway group.....
Hello and welcome to the new Southern Railway group sponsored by the Southern Railway Historical Association. Membership in the Association is not necessary but we do want to hear what your specific interests are. We are just now getting the SRHA archives organized after our move to the new archives building at TVRM and intend to use groups.io to try to extend access and use of the archives material beyond Chattanooga.
Check our www.srha.net for more information and a soon to be updated photo tour of the new facility in the archives section.
Ike
George Eichelberger - SRHA Archives Director
Carl Ardrey - SRHA President and the SRHA Directors and officers
And.....I received an inquiry today about who/what group is behind SouthernRailway.groups.io. It's on the home page but just in case, I'll repeat it here...... Southern Railway Historical and Modeling Information Interchange main@SouthernRailway.groups.ioGroup DescriptionSouthern Railway Historical and Modeling Information InterchangeA group to discuss, ask questions and provide historical and modeling information about the Southern Railway System its predecessors and subsidiaries. It will also be used to publish and distribute drawings, notes, photos and correspondence from users and the Southern Railway Historical Association's archives at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga, TN. |
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A Silverside off-line?
D. Scott Chatfield
Anybody know the story behind this shot? I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line. That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to. Hmmmm...... https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381 Scott Chatfield |
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Re: A Silverside off-line?
C J Wyatt
Probably new en route. I see a builder's date of 2/60. If I remember correctly N&W ran steam through April 1960, though increasingly isolated. Thanks for sharing. This is something which you never thought you would have seen. Jack Wyatt
On Saturday, December 15, 2018 01:03:57 PM EST, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:
Anybody know the story behind this shot? I didn't know the Silversides ever went off-line. That appears to be a switcher's tender it's coupled to. Hmmmm...... https://www.ebay.com/itm/DUPLICATE-SLIDE-Southern-SOU-1147-Gondola-Car-BRAND-NEW-Bristol-VA-1960/372534823381 Scott Chatfield |
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They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses.
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Robert Graham
My guess (emphasize GUESS) is that SOU silverside shown in the slide is not being worked by N&W steam, but is coupled to N&W class M 4-8-0 433 (for some reason) that was restored cosmetically and is displayed on the Virginia Creeper Trail in Abingdon VA. That tender is obviously not one of the N&W S1 or S1a tenders based upon the drop equalizer truck under the tender. The regular N&W late steam-era switchers at Bristol were S1 & S1a 0-8-0's and also likely a class M 4-8-0 or 2 (several were around, including 433 & 376, but none would be that fresh in service in mid-1960). The final N&W steam operated in West VA on the Pocahontas Div in 1960. The SOU silverside gondolas were used in unit train service out of Westmoreland Coal's mines in SW Virginia in and around Appalachia VA & Andover VA (the INT terminal) and were run in service in the general vicinity of Bristol, although not actually through there. I would suspect the car was borrowed by N&W for examination and comparison purposes, as at that time, N&W had just acquired a fleet of former VGN large capacity coal service gondolas and had also owned their own similar cars.
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Bob Graham ---- Bill Schafer <bschafer@...> wrote: They would have been brand new if they were switched by N&W steam. I don’t know the answer, but since the photo was taken in Bristol, the car could have been touched by N&W in the joint N&W-SOU yard or - maybe - N&W borrowed the car for a test. Just guesses. |
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Jason Greene
I was thinking there must have some kind of display in Bristol for PR. The freshly painted tender is the give away with that late date. I think Bob Graham may be right, the Abington engine that was donated about that time would be a good guess.
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Re: A Silverside off-line?
mike turner
My guess: the hopper was newly built and was being routed to the nearest SOU interchange point for delivery to SOU.
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Dick Fisher <Gladhand1@...>
They were built in Birmingham.
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On 12/15/2018 7:41 PM, mike turner wrote:
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Jim King
Another point re: this 1960 shot of Silverside and N&W 475 I just sent: the last steam on N&W was in Williamson WV, a lowly 0-8-0, in May 1960. I don’t know if 475 was serviceable to be run-under-power to a special event as indicated by the Bristol shots. Steam was replaced in Bristol in 1959.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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Re: A Silverside off-line?
Jim King
This is the other end of the Silverside shot. 475 was dolled up for the famous 1957 NRHS convention and used for special occasions afterward and stored in Shaffer’s Crossing r/h in between. It now runs on the Strasburg. Given the early September date, this could also be an NRHS convention or just a joint N&W/SOU PR thing.
Jim King www.smokymountainmodelworks.com
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