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Example No 2, also from (full!) binder 109.
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All: Three examples of the Southern steam material in the SRHA archives….from Marvin Black binder #109. Ike   
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Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] RE Prince book reprints
C J Wyatt
Ike, like Kyle, I have some projects I need to take care of before making a commitment. The first task, I think, would be to assess the situation with the photographs. I don't see this as being a detail book like the Ties articles were. There will be room for that in later books. The information about locomotive classes could be enhanced a bit and perhaps be better organized. Some Prince books have information about the facilities devoted to steam, but that is pretty much absent from the current Southern book. It might be good for the new edition. I also would like to see the line history part enhanced some with more details about situations such as the formation and demise of the Queen & Crescent. Maybe we need to get the interested people together and decide what needs to be done and then divide up the tasks. Just a few quick thoughts. Jack
On Monday, June 20, 2022, 06:13:15 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Any takers? Ike
On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:57 PM, George Eichelberger <GEICHELBERGER@...> wrote: Jack:
If someone (several people?) want to take on the project, I think it’d be an excellent idea! Some things to consider…. The book was written in pre-word processing days so there is not a soft copy version of the text. I have not looked through the Prince materials file cabinet in a long time but I recall there are quite a few of the text and diagram sections in their offset printing form. (Looks like black letters on a transparent background, almost like a negative that was “burned” on a photo sensitive printing plate using a very bright (carbon arc?) light. Those could be scanned and placed on a page as part of a PDF for printing. (Worked in a print shop some in the early 60s. Everything was done with offset printing or Linotype (hot metal). The pages of an existing book can be scanned, OCRd and set if desk top publishing software (I use Adobe Creative Suite @ $20/mo for a Macintosh.) There may be photos of the diagram book pages but it would be easier to simply make new scans..I expect we have all of the diagram books he used..or close to it. No one would make photos for publication by making plates by taking photos of photos through a fine screen as was done. I seem to remember the “resolution” of the screen used was about 150 lines per inch. (Photos for a newspaper were done at lower screen rates but I don’t remember the number…75?. The good news is that my estimate of 80-90% of the photos used are in Chattanooga. (Prince, like many authors of the period, simply borrowed photo prints, made the screen prints and returned the photos to their owners.) There are photis in the Prince files that were not returned, probably made from extra prints. We also have many of the same photos in the KImsey, Ben Roberts, Dale Roberts, and other collections. Probably doable but needing people to do the work. SRHA has all of the technology needed plus a 142TB of network accessible memory that can be accessed by many people in a collaborative effort. (Not everyone would ever have to do to the archives and could work remotely.) Initial printing costs would have to come form donations, SRHA does not have a large “publications” budget but it could (?) be done. Ike On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:56 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: Since the SRHA has the intellectual property rights, what about a revised Prince edition? I fear by the time a brand new Southern steam book is written, most potential readers will be gone. Jack Wyatt
On Saturday, June 18, 2022, 05:08:59 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Let me add one more "thing"..... I expect SRHA now has the largest collection of Southern steam loco negatives and prints anywhere...ever. (Including maybe 80-90% of the photos used in both the Prince book and Southern Steam Power). Plus, we have accumulated many steam ("SL" prefix and earlier) drawings to add the the significant collection TVRM has. If someone was serious (!!) about writing a book on Southern Steam, using mostly original negatives, come to one of the Archives work sessions and see what we have. (If not a work session, come to the joint SRHA/L&NHS/RPM at TVRM 9-30/10-1). Ike
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On Monday, June 20, 2022, 6:13 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 7:57 PM, George Eichelberger <GEICHELBERGER@...> wrote: Jack:
If someone (several people?) want to take on the project, I think it’d be an excellent idea! Some things to consider…. The book was written in pre-word processing days so there is not a soft copy version of the text. I have not looked through the Prince materials file cabinet in a long time but I recall there are quite a few of the text and diagram sections in their offset printing form. (Looks like black letters on a transparent background, almost like a negative that was “burned” on a photo sensitive printing plate using a very bright (carbon arc?) light. Those could be scanned and placed on a page as part of a PDF for printing. (Worked in a print shop some in the early 60s. Everything was done with offset printing or Linotype (hot metal). The pages of an existing book can be scanned, OCRd and set if desk top publishing software (I use Adobe Creative Suite @ $20/mo for a Macintosh.) There may be photos of the diagram book pages but it would be easier to simply make new scans..I expect we have all of the diagram books he used..or close to it. No one would make photos for publication by making plates by taking photos of photos through a fine screen as was done. I seem to remember the “resolution” of the screen used was about 150 lines per inch. (Photos for a newspaper were done at lower screen rates but I don’t remember the number…75?. The good news is that my estimate of 80-90% of the photos used are in Chattanooga. (Prince, like many authors of the period, simply borrowed photo prints, made the screen prints and returned the photos to their owners.) There are photis in the Prince files that were not returned, probably made from extra prints. We also have many of the same photos in the KImsey, Ben Roberts, Dale Roberts, and other collections. Probably doable but needing people to do the work. SRHA has all of the technology needed plus a 142TB of network accessible memory that can be accessed by many people in a collaborative effort. (Not everyone would ever have to do to the archives and could work remotely.) Initial printing costs would have to come form donations, SRHA does not have a large “publications” budget but it could (?) be done. Ike On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:56 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: Since the SRHA has the intellectual property rights, what about a revised Prince edition? I fear by the time a brand new Southern steam book is written, most potential readers will be gone. Jack Wyatt
On Saturday, June 18, 2022, 05:08:59 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Let me add one more "thing"..... I expect SRHA now has the largest collection of Southern steam loco negatives and prints anywhere...ever. (Including maybe 80-90% of the photos used in both the Prince book and Southern Steam Power). Plus, we have accumulated many steam ("SL" prefix and earlier) drawings to add the the significant collection TVRM has. If someone was serious (!!) about writing a book on Southern Steam, using mostly original negatives, come to one of the Archives work sessions and see what we have. (If not a work session, come to the joint SRHA/L&NHS/RPM at TVRM 9-30/10-1). Ike
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Southern Railway Spencer Ms-4’s
I’m looking for pictures in either good detail or in color of Spencer Shops’s or just that specific looks Spencer had for its Ms-4’s. I am reskinning and kitbashing a locomotive in a game called Trainz from a Ps-4 to resemble an Ms-4. Since I think Spencer’s variation of the Ms-4’s looked the best any photos that could show me more detail rather than the pixilated ones I’ve seen would be nice. Here is a look at the Ms-4 in game.
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I’m looking for pictures in either good detail or in color of Spencer Shops’s or just that specific looks Spencer had for its Ms-4’s. I am reskinning and kitbashing a locomotive in a game called Trainz from a Ps-4 to resemble an Ms-4. Since I think Spencer’s variation of the Ms-4’s looked the best any photos that could show me more detail rather than the pixilated ones I’ve seen would be nice. Here is a look at the Ms-4 in game.
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Carl Ardrey
Convention information including online registration and proposed schedule is available at www.srha.net.
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Re: Southern Railway Steam black and white/color photographs
Barry Kimble
Will, You’re looking at two different series… Southern Railway in color Vol 2 Southern Railway Power in color Vol 2 Thanks, Barry
On Jun 15, 2022, at 10:28 PM, Will Kesler <williamkesler354@...> wrote:
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Something I have noticed is that there seems to be multiple Southern Railway In Color books by different people. One Volume 2 book is by one author, and another volume two is by a different author. The one with Ps-4 1380 seems to be more of one I’d want due to it having what appears to be pictures from different locations on the pages, as they include Spencer North Carolina.
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Barry, yes I actually have volume 1. I was considering getting volume 2 but I didn’t know if I should get that over Classic Steam Trains in the South by Curt Tillotson Jr. I think I will get the classic steam trains because it focuses on N&W SOU L&N and some more, it does look like it contains some color shots of engines as there are two color shots of Ms-4’s. Thanks for your help though.
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Barry Kimble
Will, Welcome to the group… Have you seen the Southern Railway “in color” series of books published by Morning Sun? Vol 1 and 2 both had some color steam in them. Hopes this helps, Barry
On Jun 15, 2022, at 6:59 PM, Will Kesler <williamkesler354@...> wrote:
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Frank, that’s alright. Do you happen to know of any other place where I could find Vintage Color Shots of southern railway steam?
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Carl Ardrey
Will:
Welcome to SRHA. We would love to have some of the archive materials available digitally, but that's down the road a bit for now. We are working to that end.
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Re: Southern Railway Steam black and white/color photographs
Another thing I would like too add, since I’m a new member and I clearly don’t know my way around here could anyone tell me what you mainly do here? Another question I have is that are the archives present on the SRSA site including photographs and stuff or is that all located at the SRSA headquarters in Chattanooga. Keep in mind I’m new so excuse me if I’m incorrect about some things.
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Hi I’m new to the group and am still learning how this works but I thought I’d make a post on what I’m most interested in. Southern steam color photographs, I love seeing southern steam engines in color and I’ve already seen most that are on the internet and in books so maybe if anyone would be willing to post some here that would be very appreciated. Primary it’d be awesome to see some color shots of some Ts-1’s, Ps-4’s, or even Ms-4’s. Early Diesel action would be cool too.
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Re: Dim memory
michael lowe
I am not familiar with these operations, but I thought of possible research source, that might answer questions. You might look at the ICC annual reports for these railroads , which had some contracts or leases listed in them.
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C J Wyatt
Since you had three pairs of through trains which ran over the N&W, N&W dining car crews were entitled to part of the business. In earlier times the dining car on the Birmingham Special all the way to Birmingham was N&W. I suspect in your time period the Washington-Knoxville dining-lounge was the equalizer for N&W. Jack Wyatt
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022, 06:58:59 PM EDT, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:
I hadn't thought about a TC office car. That would make sense. Perhaps it was only two diners being removed and serviced at Knoxville. But my ancient memory says one, most likely the Tennessean was a N&W car. Yet, why would a N&W diner be added in Washington instead of Lynchburg or Roanoke? Perhaps I only recall some N&W cars that continued on to Chattanooga or Memphis on the Tennessean. Anyone have knowledge of such cars? George Courtney
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George Courtney
I hadn't thought about a TC office car. That would make sense. Perhaps it was only two diners being removed and serviced at Knoxville. But my ancient memory says one, most likely the Tennessean was a N&W car. Yet, why would a N&W diner be added in Washington instead of Lynchburg or Roanoke? Perhaps I only recall some N&W cars that continued on to Chattanooga or Memphis on the Tennessean. Anyone have knowledge of such cars?
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john w coniglio
I have seen 2 other possibilities, since TC pass. ended in about 1955. TC served Ft. Campbell and the cars you saw might have been troop movements. I saw those trains a couple of times near my home on the belt line. The cars could have come from anywhere. Other idea is that until some time in the early 1960s, TC handled a few coaches carrying girls to Camp May? near Mayland. On the western end L&N brought the cars to Vine Hill near the state fairgrounds in Nashville. There TC picked them up and delivered them to Mayland. There could have been a similar move from Knoxville, I don't know. The info I do know is from watching trains and talking to TC crewmen.
On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:40 PM C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
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