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locked Re: AGS Depot on Greensboro Ave. Tuscaloosa Al. Info

John M. Ware, P.E.
 

Mark;

 

   As long as the existing building is still standing, going and measuring it is usually a very rewarding experience. I wanted to have a model of the Southern station an at Norcross, Ga. And did exactly that. It usually takes two trips. The initial trip and a follow up trip to verify the initial measuring and make observations that were overlooked not thought necessary. Having someone to help hold the tape end and ladder is also helpful. Don’t forget the Camera. The field visit also revealed changes that had been made.

 

John Ware,  Architect, Ret.

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of MHolley via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 5:15 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] AGS Depot on Greensboro Ave. Tuscaloosa Al. Info

 

After seeing emails about drawings etc. it has rekindled my desire to model the Southern RR station in Tuscaloosa Alabama. I used to go back to work with my dad after his supper break at the drug store across the street and would watch in awe as the trains switched the interchange and the TOFC yard.

I am a new guy here so if this message needs moving, don't hesitate to do it. It won't hurt my feelings, heck, I've been married over 40 years now, no way to hurt these feelings.

I have a real cool watercolor painting of the Tuscaloosa depot (from the Bama Feed side) and I would sure love to find some plans or line drawings on this structure. Does anyone have any ideas where I could locate them? Internet searches have not uncovered much at all. Worse case scenario, I may take a tape measure and notepad and hope for the best at the station.

Any help would be appreciated,

Mark


locked "By Location" drawing and photo index 6-12-2018

George Eichelberger
 

This PDF (455 page!) version of the SRHA digital files “By Location” index is somewhat out of date but it provides an idea of the photos, documents and drawings we have scanned in the SRHA archives. As can be seen, many file names need to be changed to something that better describes the content. Doing that, and scanning more are on-going work session project organized by SRHA’s newest Director, Kyle Shannon.

Ike


locked Item/s for sale

Cohen Bob
 

I offer for sale for your discriminating pleasure, a complete set of near mint condition Railway Prototype Cyclopedias, issue numbers 1 thru 34 that include one double-issue No. 31 & 32. The total number is 33.

These highly sought after and extreme detailed informative issues have always been in high demand and especially so since they ceased being published a few years ago. The level of detail is amazing and covers many different kinds and types of equipment, locomotives, freight and passenger cars, trucks, you name it.

Offer as one-time set at $825. Shipping/delivery if within easy meeting distance to the Maryland/Northern Virginia suburbs. We can discuss details if outside that region.

Contact me off-list and we can discuss further details.

Feel free to share with additional parties.


Bob Cohen


locked Re: [ModelingTheSouthern] [SouthernRailway] AGS Depot on Greensboro Ave. Tuscaloosa Al. Info

George Eichelberger
 

Mike:

Good questions! (Would you send me your direct email address?)

Unfortunately, due to the condition of the microfilm, I only managed to scan two of the nine drawings. I need to check but I recall the other scan completes the elevations of all four sides. (That is somewhat unique to have the entire building elevations even though we are missing the floor plan and other detail drawings.) The drawings are interesting not only because of their subject matter but they are in an early architectural drawing style.

The SRHA archives work sessions are the third Friday and Saturday of every month at the archives building on TVRM property at 4543 Turntable Road Chattanooga, TN. The SRHA web home page lists the dates. We try not to change from that schedule but it’s best to check or send an email to archives@... if you plan to come. Someone might be there on Thursday of the work session weekends, but an email telling us you want to be there then is needed to make sure. We typically start about 10:00 on Fridays, 8:00 on Saturday morning and go until 7:00 or later on Friday and about 5:00 on Saturday.

Donations can be made on the SRHA web site via PayPal as the archives is 100% SRHA, donations don’t need to be specified to go to the archives but that’s certainly okay to do.

I’ve attached a photo taken early in the morning when we had the first membership work session during our annual convention. The building is “first class”! 

We are pleased to report, and welcome, that the L&NHS is moving into their archives to the building. SRHA and L&NHS archives work sessions will probably be the same weekends. (We do have to deal with NS trains passing by and 4501 on the Grand Jct. WYE just across Turntable Road, but those are distractions we can manage.)

Ike

PS I will post a text version of the “Locations” digital file in a day or so. It is only a listing but as it is arranged by State and City, it is easy to find what we have on a specific location.







On Jan 11, 2022, at 10:39 AM, MHolley via groups.io <mholley07@...> wrote:

I noticed just now (after the excitement died down) that there are two of nine photos. Is there anyway to get the other drawing? 
Where and when are the archives work sessions? Would donations go to this group or to SRHA? Forgive my ignorance on this.

Thank you kindly,

Mark


locked Re: AGS Depot on Greensboro Ave. Tuscaloosa Al. Info

George Eichelberger
 

We have only two of the nine pages of the 1910 AGS drawings of the Tuscaloosa depot. These two came from one of the microfilm rolls I got from the NS Real Estate Dept. maybe 20 years ago. All were nitrate based film that was probably made in the 1950s. After hearing about drawings in the Spring St.  building’s “attic", I finally found an “old hand” that told me they had been cleaned out and destroyed years before. (The “attic” was actually a storage area on the first floor of the building?)

Apparently, the Southern attempted to microfilm them before getting rid of the paper/blueprint/linen (?) copies. As many of the rolls of microfilm were beyond use, I would take an x-acto knife, cut through a couple of layers and try to peel them off the reel. In some cases, I did that down to the metal reel and could not salvage anything from the roll to scan.

On a few rolls, the outer layers had turned to goop but the inside layers, less exposed to air (?) still had images on them. I had almost given up on this particular roll when I discovered the inside few layers could be cut apart and scanned. The two Tuscaloosa depot drawings were on those layers. The black areas on the scan are where the image layer came off the substrate.

We have not developed the policies or ability to let people order copies of drawings and photos on line. Except in very rare cases we do not have the manpower to print, pack and mail hard copy drawings but we are working on the system to do that on-line now. If anyone is willing to make a donation, they can specify it be used for that purpose.

The “Photos and Drawings by Location” digital files contains approximately 15,459 scans (301.13 GB). They can be viewed at the archives work sessions.

If anyone has Southern or CofG drawings or photos (any subject), please consider donating them to the SRHA archives!

The Google Drive link to page 5/9 of the (reduced size and resolution) Tuscaloosa station drawing is:


Ike

PS I will have to delete this, and other large drawings and photos from Google Drive and the .io group storage soon to save space.



On Jan 10, 2022, at 5:14 PM, MHolley via groups.io <mholley07@...> wrote:

After seeing emails about drawings etc. it has rekindled my desire to model the Southern RR station in Tuscaloosa Alabama. I used to go back to work with my dad after his supper break at the drug store across the street and would watch in awe as the trains switched the interchange and the TOFC yard.

I am a new guy here so if this message needs moving, don't hesitate to do it. It won't hurt my feelings, heck, I've been married over 40 years now, no way to hurt these feelings.

I have a real cool watercolor painting of the Tuscaloosa depot (from the Bama Feed side) and I would sure love to find some plans or line drawings on this structure. Does anyone have any ideas where I could locate them? Internet searches have not uncovered much at all. Worse case scenario, I may take a tape measure and notepad and hope for the best at the station.

Any help would be appreciated,

Mark
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locked AGS Depot on Greensboro Ave. Tuscaloosa Al. Info

MHolley
 

After seeing emails about drawings etc. it has rekindled my desire to model the Southern RR station in Tuscaloosa Alabama. I used to go back to work with my dad after his supper break at the drug store across the street and would watch in awe as the trains switched the interchange and the TOFC yard.

I am a new guy here so if this message needs moving, don't hesitate to do it. It won't hurt my feelings, heck, I've been married over 40 years now, no way to hurt these feelings.

I have a real cool watercolor painting of the Tuscaloosa depot (from the Bama Feed side) and I would sure love to find some plans or line drawings on this structure. Does anyone have any ideas where I could locate them? Internet searches have not uncovered much at all. Worse case scenario, I may take a tape measure and notepad and hope for the best at the station.

Any help would be appreciated,

Mark


locked Re: Ludlow, KY

 

Thanks Bill and Ike,

Now that I have achieved a victory on the CUT front, and Ludlow is moving ahead with their preservation project, I will give all of this a close look now.

I am very intrigued by the riverfront operations and station information. 


I sent Bill and email offline too. 


locked Re: Ludlow, KY

Bill Schafer
 

Chris:

I continue to be very interested in running whatever article you might send me on any aspects of SOU-related operations/facilities in the Cincinnati area. As Ike says, the material in the SRHA Archives is at your disposal. 

Best wishes,

—Bill

On Jan 10, 2022, at 14:36, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Chris:

Jim and I talked many times about your conversations with him about Cincy and the CNO&TP. The offer to let you have whatever material is in the archives to  help is always open. (I remember we sent you the “AFE” list of CNOTP projects some time ago….great stuff!). I don’t think Jim or I have told you I located (and scanned) many files about Cincy passenger depots from about 1910 to the expansion of the Southern intermodal facility. There are also extensive files on the banana and freight houses and the trackage along the river….including quite a few drawings!

I’ve “CC’d Bill Schafer, our TIES editor here and suggest you continue the work on your articles (maybe others are interested in helping?) I’ll help with material fro the archives however I can….

Ike

PS I’ve attached one of the marvelous (reduced resolution) photos of the bridge reconstruction. The new bridge was built over and around the original without taking it out of service!

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On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:12 PM, CMayhew <chris.mayhew611@...> wrote:

Ike,

You have succeeded in flushing me out of the woodwork. A few years ago, Mr. Thurston and I were talking a lot about doing a Ludlow bridge building article (largely focusing on the current lift bridge finished in 1922. I have that article about half written. I have also done plenty of research to do a Ludlow yards and shops article (but the place was so extensive), that it is a large subject by itself. There were three shifts, going around the clock, at Ludlow at one point. There were well over 1,000 workers at that time from locomotive servicing, major car repair and building, car cleaners, etc. etc. 

I grew up in Ludlow, Kentucky. I now live a few miles away in Cincinnati. I have talked to Mark Mitchell about their project some. In the past few years, my attention to SRHA dwindled (but not my membership) as I took on the presidency of the Cincinnati Railroad Club. I am pleased to announce that we have moved back to Cincinnati Union Terminal this January after being gone for more than 5 years. This has been my focus the past couple of years, and utilizing spaces in CUT for the betterment of the club and preservation will continue to be my focus. An SRHA convention around the area someday? You bet, but I can start by reviving some of my article ideas for SRHA. I also have an article in progress of the early days of how McLean Yard in Cincinnati grew from just a little over 2 tracks in 1880 to a fairly major operation in the 1920s. Of course, CUT was built atop McLean, and then Gest Street came into being. Ludlow was always where the locomotives were serviced. The Cincinnati Southern’s Cincinnati yards were always undersized compared to the traffic needs and demands. There is also the CNO&TP’s 1905-built elevated high line and street trackage to the massive LCL warehouse on the riverfront to consider. That is worth an article all by itself as well.

Feel free to drop me a line to talk more
chris.mayhew61@...

Also, my profession is (and has been for 25 years) that of a full-time paid on staff writer. 



locked Re: Ludlow, KY

George Eichelberger
 

Chris:

Jim and I talked many times about your conversations with him about Cincy and the CNO&TP. The offer to let you have whatever material is in the archives to  help is always open. (I remember we sent you the “AFE” list of CNOTP projects some time ago….great stuff!). I don’t think Jim or I have told you I located (and scanned) many files about Cincy passenger depots from about 1910 to the expansion of the Southern intermodal facility. There are also extensive files on the banana and freight houses and the trackage along the river….including quite a few drawings!

I’ve “CC’d Bill Schafer, our TIES editor here and suggest you continue the work on your articles (maybe others are interested in helping?) I’ll help with material fro the archives however I can….

Ike

PS I’ve attached one of the marvelous (reduced resolution) photos of the bridge reconstruction. The new bridge was built over and around the original without taking it out of service!





On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:12 PM, CMayhew <chris.mayhew611@...> wrote:

Ike,

You have succeeded in flushing me out of the woodwork. A few years ago, Mr. Thurston and I were talking a lot about doing a Ludlow bridge building article (largely focusing on the current lift bridge finished in 1922. I have that article about half written. I have also done plenty of research to do a Ludlow yards and shops article (but the place was so extensive), that it is a large subject by itself. There were three shifts, going around the clock, at Ludlow at one point. There were well over 1,000 workers at that time from locomotive servicing, major car repair and building, car cleaners, etc. etc. 

I grew up in Ludlow, Kentucky. I now live a few miles away in Cincinnati. I have talked to Mark Mitchell about their project some. In the past few years, my attention to SRHA dwindled (but not my membership) as I took on the presidency of the Cincinnati Railroad Club. I am pleased to announce that we have moved back to Cincinnati Union Terminal this January after being gone for more than 5 years. This has been my focus the past couple of years, and utilizing spaces in CUT for the betterment of the club and preservation will continue to be my focus. An SRHA convention around the area someday? You bet, but I can start by reviving some of my article ideas for SRHA. I also have an article in progress of the early days of how McLean Yard in Cincinnati grew from just a little over 2 tracks in 1880 to a fairly major operation in the 1920s. Of course, CUT was built atop McLean, and then Gest Street came into being. Ludlow was always where the locomotives were serviced. The Cincinnati Southern’s Cincinnati yards were always undersized compared to the traffic needs and demands. There is also the CNO&TP’s 1905-built elevated high line and street trackage to the massive LCL warehouse on the riverfront to consider. That is worth an article all by itself as well.

Feel free to drop me a line to talk more
chris.mayhew61@...

Also, my profession is (and has been for 25 years) that of a full-time paid on staff writer. 


locked Re: Ludlow, KY

 

Ike,

You have succeeded in flushing me out of the woodwork. A few years ago, Mr. Thurston and I were talking a lot about doing a Ludlow bridge building article (largely focusing on the current lift bridge finished in 1922. I have that article about half written. I have also done plenty of research to do a Ludlow yards and shops article (but the place was so extensive), that it is a large subject by itself. There were three shifts, going around the clock, at Ludlow at one point. There were well over 1,000 workers at that time from locomotive servicing, major car repair and building, car cleaners, etc. etc. 

I grew up in Ludlow, Kentucky. I now live a few miles away in Cincinnati. I have talked to Mark Mitchell about their project some. In the past few years, my attention to SRHA dwindled (but not my membership) as I took on the presidency of the Cincinnati Railroad Club. I am pleased to announce that we have moved back to Cincinnati Union Terminal this January after being gone for more than 5 years. This has been my focus the past couple of years, and utilizing spaces in CUT for the betterment of the club and preservation will continue to be my focus. An SRHA convention around the area someday? You bet, but I can start by reviving some of my article ideas for SRHA. I also have an article in progress of the early days of how McLean Yard in Cincinnati grew from just a little over 2 tracks in 1880 to a fairly major operation in the 1920s. Of course, CUT was built atop McLean, and then Gest Street came into being. Ludlow was always where the locomotives were serviced. The Cincinnati Southern’s Cincinnati yards were always undersized compared to the traffic needs and demands. There is also the CNO&TP’s 1905-built elevated high line and street trackage to the massive LCL warehouse on the riverfront to consider. That is worth an article all by itself as well.

Feel free to drop me a line to talk more
chris.mayhew61@...

Also, my profession is (and has been for 25 years) that of a full-time paid on staff writer. 


locked Ludlow, KY

George Eichelberger
 

All:

Cincinnati and Ludlow, KY have not had enough written about them over the years. Today, NS posted information about leasing one of the Ludlow Shop buildings to the Ludlow Museum. https://www.progressiverailroading.com/norfolk_southern/news/NS-Ludlow-museum-sign-lease-agreement-for-historic-yard-shop

I sent the following email to the Ludlow Museum this morning:

I am the Archives Director for the Southern Railway Historical association (SRHA). Our permanent archives is located at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum (TVRM) at Chattanooga, TN. Although there is probably much more material in our archives relating to Ludlow than we have scanned, many maps, drawings and photos of the Southern (CNO&TP) in Ludlow are in our digital files. The Ludlow Heritage Museum is welcome to whatever material we have that would be useful.

George Eichelberger - SRHA Archives Director
Smyrna, GA

----

If anyone is on our .io group is interested in the Ludlow/Cincy area, the archives can help with material if anyone would like to do an article for “TIES” or "The Southern News Bulletin” we will be starting soon. “SNB” will be an published on-line the two months between TIES issues. As SNB will essentially be an updated and expanded version of “Among Ourselves” that has been in TIES sent to SRHA members, SNB will only go to members. In addition to articles, photos and drawings, we plan to have it emphasize “Modeling the Southern” as we have never had room to do in TIES. Of course the .io groups will continue but now may be the time for folks interested in the Southern…that are not SRHA members to join?

Before the demise of Comair, several SRHA members flew for them. We collective called them the “Erlanger Air Force”. Among other projects, they were instrumental in restoring the Erlanger depot. They organized a very successful SRHA convention in Cincinnati years ago that we should repeat someday.

The archives also contain a large sequence of photos of the rebuilding of the Ohio River bridge, made by the American Bridge Co. That is certainly worth someone doing a TIES article, esp. when various drawings are included. There are extensive (!) files on “Cincinnati Union Station” that cover many years and attempts to build a “union station” there.

Ike


locked Re: Willachooche, GA

Gerald Robinson
 

Ed, great comment and great photos on the NS enclosure

Gerald Robinson


-----Original Message-----
From: Edwin Locklin <elocklin@...>
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Sent: Sun, Jan 9, 2022 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Willachooche, GA

Ike,
 
A friend of mine in Atlanta sent me this copy.  I thought it would be interesting to the rest of our membership so I’m forwarding it to you.  There are some very good photos in it.  Enjoy!
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 

 
From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 4:48 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Willachooche, GA
 
I just got back from the Cocoa Beach RPM. (Two rather different routes, going from Atlanta via I-75 and the Fla. turnpike to Orlando then the toll road to CCB along the route Bright Line is building their new railroad from Cocoa to the Orlando airport...very (!) impressive construction project. Return was up I-95 to Jax, then US 1 to Waycross then to Tifton and I-75 north. Odd thing..the two route distances were only 2 miles different!)

The road west of Waycross is interesting because it parallels an ACL line from Waycross to Tifton (it looks abandoned but track is still in place west to just short of Pearson, GA.) That line was very important to the Southern because up until the SCL merger, Tifton was the only place the ACL would interchange freight cars in and out of Florida with the Southern toward Atlanta.

Willachooche, GA is west of Pearson where the ACL and Georgia and Florida crossed. Passing through there I knew of a couple of junk RR cars parked at the depot but I was definitely surprised to see track machines and new track. I thought the G&F was abandoned and pulled up but following the newly built tracks south on the G&F, I saw a large mill and a yard with many tank cars and chip gons. There is a Southern "River" series 10/6 Pullman (name is painted over, at the north end of the yard (all fenced in).

I think the south end of the G&F may still be in from Valdosta to Nashville, GA but from there to Willachooche is a number of miles. Does anyone know if the G&F between those two points has been restored...or were never taken out? (is it part of the "St Marys - west railroad? That's what the grade crossing "800" telephone number signs on the ex ACL say.)

I never really followed the G&F in the 70s as I was always passing through to somewhere else but there were several towns where I'd cross the G&F. It was as close to "backwoods railroading" as anywhere on the Southern. Some of the last Southern F units I photographed were working the G&F. (Still intact from Augusta to Valdosta then?) The G&F sold the line from Valdosta to Madison, FL (Now Valdosta Southern) so avoid being an Interstate railroad some years before.

Ike


locked Re: Willachooche, GA

 

Ike,
 
A friend of mine in Atlanta sent me this copy.  I thought it would be interesting to the rest of our membership so I’m forwarding it to you.  There are some very good photos in it.  Enjoy!
 
Ed Locklin at mp367.
 

 

From: George Eichelberger
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2022 4:48 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Willachooche, GA
 
I just got back from the Cocoa Beach RPM. (Two rather different routes, going from Atlanta via I-75 and the Fla. turnpike to Orlando then the toll road to CCB along the route Bright Line is building their new railroad from Cocoa to the Orlando airport...very (!) impressive construction project. Return was up I-95 to Jax, then US 1 to Waycross then to Tifton and I-75 north. Odd thing..the two route distances were only 2 miles different!)

The road west of Waycross is interesting because it parallels an ACL line from Waycross to Tifton (it looks abandoned but track is still in place west to just short of Pearson, GA.) That line was very important to the Southern because up until the SCL merger, Tifton was the only place the ACL would interchange freight cars in and out of Florida with the Southern toward Atlanta.

Willachooche, GA is west of Pearson where the ACL and Georgia and Florida crossed. Passing through there I knew of a couple of junk RR cars parked at the depot but I was definitely surprised to see track machines and new track. I thought the G&F was abandoned and pulled up but following the newly built tracks south on the G&F, I saw a large mill and a yard with many tank cars and chip gons. There is a Southern "River" series 10/6 Pullman (name is painted over, at the north end of the yard (all fenced in).

I think the south end of the G&F may still be in from Valdosta to Nashville, GA but from there to Willachooche is a number of miles. Does anyone know if the G&F between those two points has been restored...or were never taken out? (is it part of the "St Marys - west railroad? That's what the grade crossing "800" telephone number signs on the ex ACL say.)

I never really followed the G&F in the 70s as I was always passing through to somewhere else but there were several towns where I'd cross the G&F. It was as close to "backwoods railroading" as anywhere on the Southern. Some of the last Southern F units I photographed were working the G&F. (Still intact from Augusta to Valdosta then?) The G&F sold the line from Valdosta to Madison, FL (Now Valdosta Southern) so avoid being an Interstate railroad some years before.

Ike


locked Re: Willachooche, GA

George Eichelberger
 

Thanks! We are fortunate to have people knowledgable on every “nook and cranny” of the Southern.

I took the attached photo of F-7A 4254 in Hazelhurst, GA on a typical (blazing hot!) August day in the early 70s (the slide taken at the same time will have the date…I need to find it…). The rear of the unit looks like it may be slightly out of focus, but it’s not. The Geep and F-unit were struggling to get a large train started across the G&SF line to Brunswick. The traction motor blowers were working so hard they were throwing dirt up from the roadbed. Every time I see the photo, it reminds me how very hot the day was.

Hazelhurst was also a museum of Southern and CofG wood racks at this time. I expect they were in service to Brunswick. To me, pulpwood cars exemplified the secondary lines and small towns in the deep south.

Ike



On Jan 9, 2022, at 6:58 PM, SouRwyFan via groups.io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote:

Hi George,

The line from Valdosta - Ray City – Nashville – Willacoochee is run by CaterParrott Railnet.
They have been upgrading and improving service over the last few years. They also have a Madison and Thomaston division operating former CofG lines in those areas.

They also run passenger excursions from Valdosta to Willacoochee...

https://cprailnet.com/azalea-sprinter-service/

They even recently bought 6902 (ex NYC) E-8 from a private owner out of Nashville TN, that formally ran on New GA train out of Atlanta.

The 10-6 Sleeper should be the Flint River, however the last I heard it was at the Tifton Depot.

BR, Rahl


locked Re: Willachooche, GA

SouRwyFan
 

Hi George,

The line from Valdosta - Ray City – Nashville – Willacoochee is run by CaterParrott Railnet.
They have been upgrading and improving service over the last few years. They also have a Madison and Thomaston division operating former CofG lines in those areas.

They also run passenger excursions from Valdosta to Willacoochee...

https://cprailnet.com/azalea-sprinter-service/

They even recently bought 6902 (ex NYC) E-8 from a private owner out of Nashville TN, that formally ran on New GA train out of Atlanta.

The 10-6 Sleeper should be the Flint River, however the last I heard it was at the Tifton Depot.

BR, Rahl


locked Willachooche, GA

George Eichelberger
 

I just got back from the Cocoa Beach RPM. (Two rather different routes, going from Atlanta via I-75 and the Fla. turnpike to Orlando then the toll road to CCB along the route Bright Line is building their new railroad from Cocoa to the Orlando airport...very (!) impressive construction project. Return was up I-95 to Jax, then US 1 to Waycross then to Tifton and I-75 north. Odd thing..the two route distances were only 2 miles different!)

The road west of Waycross is interesting because it parallels an ACL line from Waycross to Tifton (it looks abandoned but track is still in place west to just short of Pearson, GA.) That line was very important to the Southern because up until the SCL merger, Tifton was the only place the ACL would interchange freight cars in and out of Florida with the Southern toward Atlanta.

Willachooche, GA is west of Pearson where the ACL and Georgia and Florida crossed. Passing through there I knew of a couple of junk RR cars parked at the depot but I was definitely surprised to see track machines and new track. I thought the G&F was abandoned and pulled up but following the newly built tracks south on the G&F, I saw a large mill and a yard with many tank cars and chip gons. There is a Southern "River" series 10/6 Pullman (name is painted over, at the north end of the yard (all fenced in).

I think the south end of the G&F may still be in from Valdosta to Nashville, GA but from there to Willachooche is a number of miles. Does anyone know if the G&F between those two points has been restored...or were never taken out? (is it part of the "St Marys - west railroad? That's what the grade crossing "800" telephone number signs on the ex ACL say.)

I never really followed the G&F in the 70s as I was always passing through to somewhere else but there were several towns where I'd cross the G&F. It was as close to "backwoods railroading" as anywhere on the Southern. Some of the last Southern F units I photographed were working the G&F. (Still intact from Augusta to Valdosta then?) The G&F sold the line from Valdosta to Madison, FL (Now Valdosta Southern) so avoid being an Interstate railroad some years before.

Ike


locked Early diesel switcher livery

Evan Whatley
 

Hello all, looking to have HO scale decals made for the early DS paint scheme. To my knowledge these are not available commercialy. So I have a few assumptions and a few questions for the group to help get things right.

-When the medialian changed from 54" to 30" in 1945, it appears the change also incorporated the post-war medialian. Is this correct? Or was there a 54" post war and vice versa?

-Road name, cab side numbers, and hood end numbers were all 9" tall. Cab end numbers, numbers under folding gangways, and sub-road initials were all 4" tall. Correct?

-Unsure how wide the frame and hood stripes are. Thinking 4" for the frame and 2" for the hood stripes?

-Alco and Baldwin switchers had small numberboards, how tall and wide were these?

-Finally it seems all the lettering and stripes were done in silver/aluminum paint. While the lighted number boards and 2" end stripes (1945+) were in white. Is this correct?

Thanks all, look forward to the responses.
--
-Evan Whatley


locked "Southern News Bulletin" and Southern.io lists subscribers

George Eichelberger
 

Simply "as info"...
As of today, there are 185 in the "Modeling the Southern.io" group and 512 in "SouthernRailway.groups.io.

I'll ask Dan Sparks to cross reference the subscribers on those lists to the SRHA member ship addresses to see what that number is. It has been in the area of 50% for the main Southern group. I don't think Dan has compared the SRHA membership list with Modeling the Southern lately.

After the fist issue of TIES this year, SRHA will begin to publish, on line, "The Southern News Bulletin". It will fill in for "Among Ourselves" the months TIES is not published but it will be more than the usual "AO". In addition to "Modeling the Southern" content, I expect we will see photos, documents, whatever on subjects that might not be enough for full size TIES articles and "Second Sections" of material that was in TIES.

In addition to material from the SRHA archives (the diesel photos digital file has more than 7,200 images. There are several thousand photos of just 40 and 50 ft box cars*), I hope people will send photos of whatever Southern prototype or modeling project they have finished, or are working on, to be included.

Any ideas or suggestions? Please post them here or send to archives@... and we'll make sure they get to Dan....the Editor of SNB.

* We are organizing and scanning the SRHA photos at every work session.

Ike


locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Mike, back in February I explained to the Modeling The Southern list (a sublist of this list) how I kitbashed an old Walthers/Heljan Thrall gon into a Greenville.   It is titled Workbench Wednesday #5.  Frankly, it's probably easier to scratchbuild one.

Here's some useful dimensions taken off SOU 66087:

The ribs are 3.25" wide by 5" deep, and they are 6.5" wide over the flanges.  The top chord is made from 6x8 tube, and the corner posts are 4x8.  The wide panels at the ends are 52" wide while the rest are 34.75" plus or minus .125".  The depth of the drop in the sidesill is 8".  The sides are 66" tall at the corners (from the top of the chord).

The side panel widths are from rib center to rib center, except the endmost panels which are rib center to the inside face of the corner post.

The ends are 120" wide over the corner posts and 126" over the top chord.  They are made from a Pullman-style "sorta sine wave" end with the swells 12" apart.  The ladders are 20" wide with a nominal 13" rung spacing.  They have drop grabs.  The brake wheel's center is set in 45" from the outside of the corner post.

Should get you started.


Scott Chatfield


locked Auto Parts Cars for Ford

George Eichelberger
 

Although I have no idea what some of the items Ford wanted installed in the 800 86' auto parts cars shown on the attached are, taken together the three pages give an idea of how closely the railroads worked together when dealing with the auto companies. This was a large project, 800 cars for 22 railroads led by the N&W. (As many programs were.)

Later correspondence in this same SRHA archives file discusses the removal of the cars' roof walks. That work was done in Buffalo with each railroad having the option to receive the scrap metal, a dollar credit for the scrap sold in Buffalo or the running boards removed and returned. Southern asked that the parts be sent to Hayne Shop for use as grating. (I think (!) I have seen some roof walk material used as walkways on bridges.)

Ike

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