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Will, Look on the right side of the page for the login function. in anycase, I believe Kyle is close to recreating the entire website. Hopefully it will also use HTTPS to secure the login credentials. David Friedlander On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 1:03 PM Will Kesler <williamkesler354@...> wrote:
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It's THIS Saturday, February 11, 2023 - Train show near Hagerstown, Maryland
Cohen Bob
If you didn't make the huge train shows in West Springfield, Mass. or Timonium, Maryland the past 2 weekends, you still have a chance to get some new goodies this coming Saturday - one day only - train show at the Hagerstown, Agricultural Center, 6.5 miles south of Interstate 70 on Maryland Route 65. This is one exit west of the Route 40 exit into Hagerstown. It's one day only and the hours are 9 to 1:30 on that single day and there is a $5 admission fee that helps support the group sponsoring the show, the Hagerstown Model RR Museum, who have the old Antietam RR station a mile or so south of the Ag Center where the show is being held. What will be there? well, almost anything related to the railroads be it timetables, model of all your favorite gauges, books, magazines and just about anything related to the railroads. Usually the Western Maryland Historical Society has a presence there as well. If you need more information about the show or the club check out: http://www.antietamstation.com , their website for more details. Hope to see you there this Saturday. Bob Cohen |
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Dave Queener
Will, From photos I found online, the bell and pop valves were still on the locomotive up into Goldrush Junction Days in the 70s. From the photo, I'm not sure about the whistle. Even the single-lung air pumps were there as well as the turbo-generator. By 2004 they are all gone. The whistle mounted into steam dome using the hole closest to the cab. I seem to recall Scott Ogle telling me that our Dollywood friends
removed the pumps. Hopefully they salvaged the other parts as
well. --Dave   On 2/6/2023 3:42 PM, Will Kesler wrote:
Does anyone know what happened to its bell and whistle? Or was it stolen? -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 |
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Re: Trainz 2019 Models
Gosh, that Artwork looks familiar Donnie Dixon On 2/6/2023 10:19 PM, Will Kesler
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   I thought this might be interesting but I took my turn at kitbashing a Southern 4-4-0 in a computer game called Trainz 2019. I made the #3841 because it was one of the last 4-4-0’s running on the system. Here are some photos of it. |
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SR (and other) locomotive photographs collection for sale
Cohen Bob
Just back from an excellent train show at the Timonium Fairgrounds this past weekend, with a new acquisition might be of interest to you: It's a group of portrait images of steam locomotives, the so-called "roster" type shots. Over 375 images, mostly if not entirely of lines from the South. At least 175 are of Southern Railway (and related companies such as CNO&TP, AGS, NO&NE) vintage, plus over 200 more images largely of L&N steamers, a few NC&St. L engines and other odds n' ends. There's even a photo of the Lonesome Pine engine plus one I think it was named "old Maude" that lived at the Peagram Shops, #1509, an 0-4-4TB Forney type. Most if not all are in various stages of curling but most are also in surprisingly decent clarity. Many identify the road and perhaps the photographer on the back also that helps in identification. Lots of SR Connies (2-8-O's), Ps-2 class, Ms and even a few articulated jobs somewhere in the Appalachians - Asheville and elsewhere nearby. L&N has lots of material also with even a streamlined Pacific #277 I think. One L&N "Big Emma" I think is also present. There are maybe a few dozen NC&St.L engines as well, included a Dixie type #566. The lion's share of images date from the 1930's when such types of photographs were greatly popularized. Over 375 photos in the group. If seriously interested, contact me off-list and we'll discuss things from there. Bob Cohen |
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It is a little bit frustrating to me how there are so many videos of Salisbury on film yet not one of them shows a train.
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The parade engine is one of the reasons why I knew it was for sure Salisbury or Spencer.
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Does anyone know what happened to its bell and whistle? Or was it stolen?
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Re: Southern Railway 107
Dave Queener
Here are a few pics showing the progressive changes made to 107 over the years. The most obvious changes are (1) Replacement of the original wooden underframe tender with a steel underframe one. (2) Replacement of the original archbar tender truck with SR
floating bolster / Thielsen type tender truck. (3) Either replacement of the tender tank or increasing its height by eliminating the flare around the original tank's top. (4) Replacement of the original wood cab with a metal one sometime after 1932. (5) Replacement of the Baldwin crown bar boiler with a radially stayed one in 1913 (6) Replacement of wooden pilot and wooden pilot beam with a switcher pilot and then cast steel pilot beam and boiler tube pilot, sometime after 1932. (7) Replacement of main driver with block counterweights for one with crescent counterweights after 1932. (8) Replacement of Laird style crosshead with alligator
crossheads prior to 1932. Of course the stack and dome locations get changed with the
re-boilering in 1913, and a turbo-generator and electric headlight
are added at some point. The single one lung air compressor gets
replaced with dual one-lungers on the opposite side, along with a
more modern lifting injector and check valve on the engineer's
side. If anyone has addition photos of the 107 on the Southern, I would love to see these! Cheers, Dave Q
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Re: Southern Railway 107
Dave Queener
Gentlemen, Maybe some of you all have access to better photos than I do which will help me to answer a bit of minutia concerning the 107. I am working on a 1/20th scale brass model of this locomotive, and I have been trying to figure out the coal and water capacity of its current tender. From builder's photos of sister engine 434 (107 was originally ETV&G #419), the tender was either replaced or rebuilt with new trucks and higher coal boards. Maybe this happened at the same time the 107 was re-boilered in 1913 after its fatal boiler explosion near the present day Missionary Ridge Tunnel at TVRM. At any rate, I have one photo that gives a glimpse of the back of 107's tender, but the writing is blurred. Can anyone make this out, or have an historical photo of 107 showing the rear of the tender clearly? Thanks, Dave -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 
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Material for TIES articles - authors needed!
George Eichelberger
The SRHA archives has grown to include many thousands of scanned drawings that cover virtually aspect of the Southern Railway System. Although it’s “nice” to have them in the archives, many need to be published so they can be seen and used.
I’ve mentioned the rolling stock scans many times, what few people know about is our collection of drawings and photos that include: Section houses, scales and scale houses, signs and signals, coal chutes, water towers and bridges just to list a few. Some drawing scans were made from old microfilm in very poor condition that should be re-drawn to be published and used. The variety of something like water tanks is much broader than we might realize: from roof framing for 17’ wood tanks (11-11-1953) to 20’ x 30’ tanks and structures. Some, such as an ETV&G tank date back many years. If any SRHA members are particular interested in about any (!) topic, plan on coming to an archives work session in 2023. If you live too far away to make it to Chattanooga (we have several international members and members “off line” from the SRS), send a note to archives@... and we will try to make a plan. Ike PS Here is a partial example of the drawing for a Section Foreman’s standard dwelling. In addition to drawings, we have photos of these structures at various locations and many are included in our ICC information so we can determine when they were built, modified, sold or destroyed. PPS It is time to reduce our storage on the .io group server. Quite a few scans and photos need to be deleted. Get ‘em while you can.  |
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TIM ANDREWS
Really just need big enough machines and there are a number of places in this country that can still do this type of work. Many of them specialize in this type of one off work but you will pay big dollars for the time on each machine needed.
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The parade engine still exists and is trotted out from time to time. Here is is in February 2019.
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C J Wyatt
Tim, thank you for the detailed reply. I am guessing that machining a forged part is not the easiest thing to do.
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It depends on the part. The ends of a main, or connecting rod, would probably be forged to a rough shape from a steel blank and then machined the remainder of the way to the size and shape needed. Other parts might be machined directly from a blank or shape (like bar or round stock). The Lima Superpower book has some great photos of the process. As far as "reasonable" cost? There is really no such thing in the steam restoration business. You have to have both boatloads of cash and the guts (stomach?) to spend them no matter what once you begin. And if its not enough, go find some more. Its either that or just leave it where it sits, well with a roof at least. In this case the running gear might be the least of your worries if the boiler has to be replaced. Take it from someone who has seen and paid the bills for not one, but two running restorations (and those being engines in better shape than the 107). Tim On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 01:52:45 PM EST, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: Yes, and you would not have to have rods which were serviceable. But that still leaves my question unanswered about forging new running gear parts. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 01:47:01 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: Jack: I agree….a nice cosmetic restoration, and a secure (inside) place to house the engine would be perfect. Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I wasn't really proposing an economical operation, but I am curious for any locomotive that needs them, what the feasibility of making new rods and parts for running gear is. Jack Wyatt On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:31:32 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: I’d guess this would be a $1M project at to start. It would certainly be a nice looking engine but what could it be used for? As period passenger cars would be impossible to find/restore, more modern equipment would limit the loco to (?) two or three car trains. I’d suggest (if the money was available…it’s not) TVRM reconsider the rebuilding/conversion of their Canadian 4-6-2 into the “last” Ps-4. Train size behind that engine (if there was any place to run it) would make the economics maybe possible? Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:16 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I guess side rods are forged. I wonder if any company today is capable of manufacturing some at a reasonable cost? #107 probably has a lot more problems than the missing rods if a restoration attempt was made. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:08:55 PM EST, Dave Queener <dave@...> wrote: As a side note, I think SR 107 has been missing her main rods since at least the 1950s when she went down for overhaul for the last time, and the Southern had closed the backshop at Coster. Here is a pic of her in service at Knoxville, and another taken at the Smokey Mtn. engine house in Sevierville, TN about 1959: -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 |
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TIM ANDREWS
It depends on the part. The ends of a main, or connecting rod, would probably be forged to a rough shape from a steel blank and then machined the remainder of the way to the size and shape needed. Other parts might be machined directly from a blank or shape (like bar or round stock). The Lima Superpower book has some great photos of the process. As far as "reasonable" cost? There is really no such thing in the steam restoration business. You have to have both boatloads of cash and the guts (stomach?) to spend them no matter what once you begin. And if its not enough, go find some more. Its either that or just leave it where it sits, well with a roof at least. In this case the running gear might be the least of your worries if the boiler has to be replaced. Take it from someone who has seen and paid the bills for not one, but two running restorations (and those being engines in better shape than the 107). Tim
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Yes, and you would not have to have rods which were serviceable. But that still leaves my question unanswered about forging new running gear parts. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 01:47:01 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: Jack: I agree….a nice cosmetic restoration, and a secure (inside) place to house the engine would be perfect. Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I wasn't really proposing an economical operation, but I am curious for any locomotive that needs them, what the feasibility of making new rods and parts for running gear is. Jack Wyatt On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:31:32 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: I’d guess this would be a $1M project at to start. It would certainly be a nice looking engine but what could it be used for? As period passenger cars would be impossible to find/restore, more modern equipment would limit the loco to (?) two or three car trains. I’d suggest (if the money was available…it’s not) TVRM reconsider the rebuilding/conversion of their Canadian 4-6-2 into the “last” Ps-4. Train size behind that engine (if there was any place to run it) would make the economics maybe possible? Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:16 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I guess side rods are forged. I wonder if any company today is capable of manufacturing some at a reasonable cost? #107 probably has a lot more problems than the missing rods if a restoration attempt was made. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:08:55 PM EST, Dave Queener <dave@...> wrote: As a side note, I think SR 107 has been missing her main rods since at least the 1950s when she went down for overhaul for the last time, and the Southern had closed the backshop at Coster. Here is a pic of her in service at Knoxville, and another taken at the Smokey Mtn. engine house in Sevierville, TN about 1959: -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 |
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But that still leaves my question unanswered about forging new running gear parts. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 01:47:01 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Jack: I agree….a nice cosmetic restoration, and a secure (inside) place to house the engine would be perfect. Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I wasn't really proposing an economical operation, but I am curious for any locomotive that needs them, what the feasibility of making new rods and parts for running gear is. Jack Wyatt On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:31:32 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: I’d guess this would be a $1M project at to start. It would certainly be a nice looking engine but what could it be used for? As period passenger cars would be impossible to find/restore, more modern equipment would limit the loco to (?) two or three car trains. I’d suggest (if the money was available…it’s not) TVRM reconsider the rebuilding/conversion of their Canadian 4-6-2 into the “last” Ps-4. Train size behind that engine (if there was any place to run it) would make the economics maybe possible? Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:16 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I guess side rods are forged. I wonder if any company today is capable of manufacturing some at a reasonable cost? #107 probably has a lot more problems than the missing rods if a restoration attempt was made. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:08:55 PM EST, Dave Queener <dave@...> wrote: As a side note, I think SR 107 has been missing her main rods since at least the 1950s when she went down for overhaul for the last time, and the Southern had closed the backshop at Coster. Here is a pic of her in service at Knoxville, and another taken at the Smokey Mtn. engine house in Sevierville, TN about 1959: -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 |
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I agree….a nice cosmetic restoration, and a secure (inside) place to house the engine would be perfect. Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:38 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:
I wasn't really proposing an economical operation, but I am curious for any locomotive that needs them, what the feasibility of making new rods and parts for running gear is. Jack Wyatt On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:31:32 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote: I’d guess this would be a $1M project at to start. It would certainly be a nice looking engine but what could it be used for? As period passenger cars would be impossible to find/restore, more modern equipment would limit the loco to (?) two or three car trains. I’d suggest (if the money was available…it’s not) TVRM reconsider the rebuilding/conversion of their Canadian 4-6-2 into the “last” Ps-4. Train size behind that engine (if there was any place to run it) would make the economics maybe possible? Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:16 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I guess side rods are forged. I wonder if any company today is capable of manufacturing some at a reasonable cost? #107 probably has a lot more problems than the missing rods if a restoration attempt was made. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:08:55 PM EST, Dave Queener <dave@...> wrote: As a side note, I think SR 107 has been missing her main rods since at least the 1950s when she went down for overhaul for the last time, and the Southern had closed the backshop at Coster. Here is a pic of her in service at Knoxville, and another taken at the Smokey Mtn. engine house in Sevierville, TN about 1959: -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 |
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C J Wyatt
I wasn't really proposing an economical operation, but I am curious for any locomotive that needs them, what the feasibility of making new rods and parts for running gear is.
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Jack Wyatt On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:31:32 PM EST, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
I’d guess this would be a $1M project at to start. It would certainly be a nice looking engine but what could it be used for? As period passenger cars would be impossible to find/restore, more modern equipment would limit the loco to (?) two or three car trains. I’d suggest (if the money was available…it’s not) TVRM reconsider the rebuilding/conversion of their Canadian 4-6-2 into the “last” Ps-4. Train size behind that engine (if there was any place to run it) would make the economics maybe possible? Ike On Feb 4, 2023, at 12:16 PM, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote: I guess side rods are forged. I wonder if any company today is capable of manufacturing some at a reasonable cost? #107 probably has a lot more problems than the missing rods if a restoration attempt was made. Jack On Saturday, February 4, 2023 at 12:08:55 PM EST, Dave Queener <dave@...> wrote: As a side note, I think SR 107 has been missing her main rods since at least the 1950s when she went down for overhaul for the last time, and the Southern had closed the backshop at Coster. Here is a pic of her in service at Knoxville, and another taken at the Smokey Mtn. engine house in Sevierville, TN about 1959: -- Owner, Cumberland Model Engineering www.CumberlandModelEngineering.com (865) 209-5654 |
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I am pretty sure I already talked to the email it directed me to before, but I do not see a member section on the website. Where can this be found?
I thought
this might be interesting but I took my turn at kitbashing a
Southern 4-4-0 in a computer game called Trainz 2019. I made the
#3841 because it was one of the last 4-4-0’s running on the
system. Here are some photos of it.
