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locked Re: Willachooche, GA

SouRwyFan
 

Hi George,

The line from Valdosta - Ray City – Nashville – Willacoochee is run by CaterParrott Railnet.
They have been upgrading and improving service over the last few years. They also have a Madison and Thomaston division operating former CofG lines in those areas.

They also run passenger excursions from Valdosta to Willacoochee...

https://cprailnet.com/azalea-sprinter-service/

They even recently bought 6902 (ex NYC) E-8 from a private owner out of Nashville TN, that formally ran on New GA train out of Atlanta.

The 10-6 Sleeper should be the Flint River, however the last I heard it was at the Tifton Depot.

BR, Rahl


locked Willachooche, GA

George Eichelberger
 

I just got back from the Cocoa Beach RPM. (Two rather different routes, going from Atlanta via I-75 and the Fla. turnpike to Orlando then the toll road to CCB along the route Bright Line is building their new railroad from Cocoa to the Orlando airport...very (!) impressive construction project. Return was up I-95 to Jax, then US 1 to Waycross then to Tifton and I-75 north. Odd thing..the two route distances were only 2 miles different!)

The road west of Waycross is interesting because it parallels an ACL line from Waycross to Tifton (it looks abandoned but track is still in place west to just short of Pearson, GA.) That line was very important to the Southern because up until the SCL merger, Tifton was the only place the ACL would interchange freight cars in and out of Florida with the Southern toward Atlanta.

Willachooche, GA is west of Pearson where the ACL and Georgia and Florida crossed. Passing through there I knew of a couple of junk RR cars parked at the depot but I was definitely surprised to see track machines and new track. I thought the G&F was abandoned and pulled up but following the newly built tracks south on the G&F, I saw a large mill and a yard with many tank cars and chip gons. There is a Southern "River" series 10/6 Pullman (name is painted over, at the north end of the yard (all fenced in).

I think the south end of the G&F may still be in from Valdosta to Nashville, GA but from there to Willachooche is a number of miles. Does anyone know if the G&F between those two points has been restored...or were never taken out? (is it part of the "St Marys - west railroad? That's what the grade crossing "800" telephone number signs on the ex ACL say.)

I never really followed the G&F in the 70s as I was always passing through to somewhere else but there were several towns where I'd cross the G&F. It was as close to "backwoods railroading" as anywhere on the Southern. Some of the last Southern F units I photographed were working the G&F. (Still intact from Augusta to Valdosta then?) The G&F sold the line from Valdosta to Madison, FL (Now Valdosta Southern) so avoid being an Interstate railroad some years before.

Ike


locked Early diesel switcher livery

Evan Whatley
 

Hello all, looking to have HO scale decals made for the early DS paint scheme. To my knowledge these are not available commercialy. So I have a few assumptions and a few questions for the group to help get things right.

-When the medialian changed from 54" to 30" in 1945, it appears the change also incorporated the post-war medialian. Is this correct? Or was there a 54" post war and vice versa?

-Road name, cab side numbers, and hood end numbers were all 9" tall. Cab end numbers, numbers under folding gangways, and sub-road initials were all 4" tall. Correct?

-Unsure how wide the frame and hood stripes are. Thinking 4" for the frame and 2" for the hood stripes?

-Alco and Baldwin switchers had small numberboards, how tall and wide were these?

-Finally it seems all the lettering and stripes were done in silver/aluminum paint. While the lighted number boards and 2" end stripes (1945+) were in white. Is this correct?

Thanks all, look forward to the responses.
--
-Evan Whatley


locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Mike, back in February I explained to the Modeling The Southern list (a sublist of this list) how I kitbashed an old Walthers/Heljan Thrall gon into a Greenville.   It is titled Workbench Wednesday #5.  Frankly, it's probably easier to scratchbuild one.

Here's some useful dimensions taken off SOU 66087:

The ribs are 3.25" wide by 5" deep, and they are 6.5" wide over the flanges.  The top chord is made from 6x8 tube, and the corner posts are 4x8.  The wide panels at the ends are 52" wide while the rest are 34.75" plus or minus .125".  The depth of the drop in the sidesill is 8".  The sides are 66" tall at the corners (from the top of the chord).

The side panel widths are from rib center to rib center, except the endmost panels which are rib center to the inside face of the corner post.

The ends are 120" wide over the corner posts and 126" over the top chord.  They are made from a Pullman-style "sorta sine wave" end with the swells 12" apart.  The ladders are 20" wide with a nominal 13" rung spacing.  They have drop grabs.  The brake wheel's center is set in 45" from the outside of the corner post.

Should get you started.


Scott Chatfield


locked Auto Parts Cars for Ford

George Eichelberger
 

Although I have no idea what some of the items Ford wanted installed in the 800 86' auto parts cars shown on the attached are, taken together the three pages give an idea of how closely the railroads worked together when dealing with the auto companies. This was a large project, 800 cars for 22 railroads led by the N&W. (As many programs were.)

Later correspondence in this same SRHA archives file discusses the removal of the cars' roof walks. That work was done in Buffalo with each railroad having the option to receive the scrap metal, a dollar credit for the scrap sold in Buffalo or the running boards removed and returned. Southern asked that the parts be sent to Hayne Shop for use as grating. (I think (!) I have seen some roof walk material used as walkways on bridges.)

Ike


locked Chemicals in aluminum covered hoppers and gondolas

George Eichelberger
 


From the SRHA Archives:

Both Alcoa and Reynolds Aluminum maintained lists of commodities that could be carried in freight cars made with their aluminum without voiding the warranties. Here (attached) is an example of correspondence on the subject between the aluminum companies and the Southern Railroad.(Certainly not something railfans would pay much attention to.)

Ike




locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

Mike K <mkingery@...>
 

Ike,

Thanks for the info.  I will work from my photos and scale it from those and known dimensions.

Mike


locked Re: 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

George Eichelberger
 

Southern 70-T 52’-6” high side gons were built on New Car Program (NCP) 149 by Greenville Steel Car as their Lot 1101 in 1975. The General Arrangement drawing is Greenville 37115, stencil drawing is GSC 37134.

By 1975, the Southern was re-drawing or tracing very few drawings. Because of that, there do not appear to be any SR produced “SF” prefix drawings for these cars. Although the SRHA archives contain virtually all of the SF series and carbuilders’ General Arrangement, Brake and Stencil drawings, not all of the carbuilder drawings, including these, have been scanned.

We scanned nearly 200 large format drawings on the new ($7,000) scanner at this weekend’s work session. Our ability to organize and scan is limited by the number of people that come to the work sessions. They are the third weekend (Fri & Sat) of every month at the SRHA/L&NHS/TVRM archives in Chattanooga.

Ike


On Dec 17, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Mike K <mkingery@...> wrote:

I would like to create a model of a 1975 vintage Greenville Steel Car Gondola.  Number series 66090-66699, AAR Type E534.  Some are still in use for MW service and have been seen around my home area.  What are good resources for basic dimensional details to help me get the model as reasonably correct as possible?  Something like a single page drawing with overall dimensions, maybe rib placement, etc.  Published books, SHRA archives in Chattanooga, elsewhere?

I am working toward 3D design and printing of this car and possibly future cars for my HO scale layout.

Thanks for any ideas.

Mike Kingery
Madison, AL


locked 53ft 1975 Greenville Steel Car Gondola

Mike K <mkingery@...>
 

I would like to create a model of a 1975 vintage Greenville Steel Car Gondola.  Number series 66090-66699, AAR Type E534.  Some are still in use for MW service and have been seen around my home area.  What are good resources for basic dimensional details to help me get the model as reasonably correct as possible?  Something like a single page drawing with overall dimensions, maybe rib placement, etc.  Published books, SHRA archives in Chattanooga, elsewhere?

I am working toward 3D design and printing of this car and possibly future cars for my HO scale layout.

Thanks for any ideas.

Mike Kingery
Madison, AL


locked Re: Heavy Weight NO&NE 5400

Ed Burnett
 

Wow! Donnie, thanks for posting this! -Ed Burnett, Lynchburg, VIRGINIA

On 11/29/2021 7:51 PM Donnie Dixon <rf4cnam69@...> wrote:


Kevin

Hope this helps

Donnie Dixon

On 11/29/2021 6:04 PM, Kevin von der Lippe wrote:

Does anyone know of a list of all heavyweight Pullman sleepers acquired by the Southern in 1948 as part of the Pullman antitrust case settlement — and which sleepers were assigned to which subsidiary?

I have seen a photo of NO&NE 5400, a heavyweight sleeper that appears to be a 10 section - 2 compartment - 1 drawing room sleeper (probably a “Lake” series car) but the name is not visible in the photo and I would like a little bit more of its history.

Thanks,

Kevin von der Lippe
Oak Ridge, NC


locked Re: Heavy Weight NO&NE 5400

Kevin von der Lippe
 

Donnie,

 

Thank you—what a great list!

 

Kevin von der Lippe

Oak Ridge, NC


locked Re: Heavy Weight NO&NE 5400

Donnie Dixon
 

Kevin

Hope this helps

Donnie Dixon

On 11/29/2021 6:04 PM, Kevin von der Lippe wrote:

Does anyone know of a list of all heavyweight Pullman sleepers acquired by the Southern in 1948 as part of the Pullman antitrust case settlement — and which sleepers were assigned to which subsidiary?

I have seen a photo of NO&NE 5400, a heavyweight sleeper that appears to be a 10 section - 2 compartment - 1 drawing room sleeper (probably a “Lake” series car) but the name is not visible in the photo and I would like a little bit more of its history.

Thanks,

Kevin von der Lippe
Oak Ridge, NC


locked Re: Heavy Weight NO&NE 5400

TIM ANDREWS
 

According to Wayner the NONE cars were 4500s and the passenger car diagrams that show the Pullman cars do not show anything in the 5400s.

4500 was a 10Sec1Dr 2Cmpt car plan 2585D lot 4592 built between 10/20 and 12/20.  It was named Fort Thomas.  

On Monday, November 29, 2021, 06:04:40 PM EST, Kevin von der Lippe <kevin.vonderlippe@...> wrote:


Does anyone know of a list of all heavyweight Pullman sleepers acquired by the Southern in 1948 as part of the Pullman antitrust case settlement — and which sleepers were assigned to which subsidiary?

I have seen a photo of NO&NE 5400, a heavyweight sleeper that appears to be a 10 section - 2 compartment - 1 drawing room sleeper (probably a “Lake” series car) but the name is not visible in the photo and I would like a little bit more of its history.

Thanks,

Kevin von der Lippe
Oak Ridge, NC


locked Heavy Weight NO&NE 5400

Kevin von der Lippe
 

Does anyone know of a list of all heavyweight Pullman sleepers acquired by the Southern in 1948 as part of the Pullman antitrust case settlement — and which sleepers were assigned to which subsidiary?

I have seen a photo of NO&NE 5400, a heavyweight sleeper that appears to be a 10 section - 2 compartment - 1 drawing room sleeper (probably a “Lake” series car) but the name is not visible in the photo and I would like a little bit more of its history.

Thanks,

Kevin von der Lippe
Oak Ridge, NC


locked Speaking a different language?

George Eichelberger
 

From the SRHA archives…..

Here is a posting to the Modern Freight Car List…

Ike



Begin forwarded message:

From: GEORGE EICHELBERGER <geichelberger@...>
Subject: Re: Speaking a different language?
Date: November 25, 2021 at 11:29:50 AM EST

According to the Southern Railway files in the SRHA archives by 1962/63, many auto parts and assembly plants pool arrangements were changing from 40’ to 50’ box cars. As 40’ cars assigned to heavy items such as engines and transmissions could be loaded closer to 50-ton capy., those pools continued to use 40’ cars somewhat longer.

Here are two (of many) examples from the files. (Why other (e.g. PRR) roads did not participate in these and other pools is not explained. Cars not in the equipment pools would have involved per diem and mileage charges.) The auto companies appear to have preferred the pool arrangements that allowed any load to go to any of the pool destinations at any time. 

Although both of these examples show the cost to equip the cars as being paid by the railroad, others show parts racks as being owned by the auto companies. Car modification costs, interior equipment and racks paid for by the railroads were amortized over time. There are instances where parts bins or racks were no longer needed by the auto companies and they were billed for the balance due. Racks and bins could be scrapped, reused or stored. There are multiple letters from the auto companies stating that a particular rack that had been stored was considered obsolete and could be scrapped.

Does anyone have a copy of an executed pool agreement? That may discuss now those costs were paid.

While proportions are unknown, I expect quite a large percentage of box cars in service, certainly in the 1960s, were assigned to specific shippers. “When Empty Return to…” routing would have resulted in many non-revenue car miles!

Ike

PS The quality of the second attachment is poor. The use of “Thermofax” machines to make copies in this time frame leave us with many nearly blank or so dark to be unreadable records. (Note straight pins, rather than staples, were still used in the 1962 example.)






locked SRHA Archives First Impressions

Allen Cain
 

Last weekend I attended my first work session at the SRHA facility and was blown away by the vast amount of materials that are in the building, most of which have not been scanned or indexed due to lack of manpower, not desire on the part of the few who routinely attend.

If you are a fan of the Southern and can make it to a future work session you will be impressed and maybe in our lifetimes all of this material will be scanned, indexed and made available to those of us who could definitely benefit from it.
--
Allen Cain, Scanner 2nd Class (Pending management review)
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked a Happy Thanksgiving to all !

Cohen Bob
 

This is a warm wish to all who have made it thru these difficult last 21 months and are still well and now reaping the tasty benefits of the present holiday season: TURKEY with all the trimmings.

Happy Holidays to all and many happy returns.

Bob Cohen


locked Re: K-4 Decals

Curt Fortenberry
 


There was a station list on the STMFC list and SN was an RFP location for Snyder. 

Curt Fortenberry


locked Re: K-4 Decals

Kyle Shannon
 

I should have added that on interchange, if a car was repacked elsewhere, it would have the location of the repack stenciled. So “Sn” could be, in theory, a location off the Southern.




On Monday, November 22, 2021, 10:14 AM, Kyle Shannon via groups.io <trainsr6900@...> wrote:

Usually those lettering are for the repack date of the bearing boxes when the cars are serviced. I believe the standard was a maximum of two years between repacks. 
For modeling, these dates should be within the past 2 years of your modeling date/era.

Somewhere, perhaps at the SRHA archive, I recalled seeing a list of initials for shops on the Southern, but not sure about Sn. Of course if a car was on interchange and due, they would repack and bill(?) to the owning railroad. The guys on here who are a bit more familiar with the operations side can probably explain it a bit better.

Kyle




On Monday, November 22, 2021, 12:05 AM, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

On K-4;s decals for the black Southern twin hopper is the following:  Sn 3 58.  Anyone know what this represents?.  I'm sure it's something for March of 1958 but not sure if Sn is a shop abbreviation and is it for a repair, update or repaint?

Thanks,
George Courtney


locked Re: K-4 Decals

Kyle Shannon
 

Usually those lettering are for the repack date of the bearing boxes when the cars are serviced. I believe the standard was a maximum of two years between repacks. 
For modeling, these dates should be within the past 2 years of your modeling date/era.

Somewhere, perhaps at the SRHA archive, I recalled seeing a list of initials for shops on the Southern, but not sure about Sn. Of course if a car was on interchange and due, they would repack and bill(?) to the owning railroad. The guys on here who are a bit more familiar with the operations side can probably explain it a bit better.

Kyle




On Monday, November 22, 2021, 12:05 AM, George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...> wrote:

On K-4;s decals for the black Southern twin hopper is the following:  Sn 3 58.  Anyone know what this represents?.  I'm sure it's something for March of 1958 but not sure if Sn is a shop abbreviation and is it for a repair, update or repaint?

Thanks,
George Courtney

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