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Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...>
On Apr 10, 2020, at 4:06 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:
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Re: Southern Ps-4 picture info
George Eichelberger
Jason: Here’s a snippet from the drawing. At 100M, it’s too large to send and details would be lost if I tried to reduce the whole thing. The file the drawing comes from in the archives is on the rehab of the terminal’s interlocking. Ike
On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Jason Greene <jason.p.greene@...> wrote: Looks like Atlanta at Terminal Station.
Jason Greene On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:50 PM, jhtmd1@... wrote:
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According to the diagram book these cars 78800-79299 were built by PS in 1975 Fenton
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Re: Safety slogans on cabooses
Bill Schafer
I’m going by memory here, but IIRC, the safety slogans on cabooses were commonplace in the 1970s but they weren’t universal. I clearly remember the slogans in the Southern Railway era - they were NOT an NS initiative.
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Maybe someone on this list can confirm or debunk, but what I remember is that Southern started to get serious about safety in the 1970s during the Graham Claytor administration. Safety committees were formed on each division, and I’m betting that one of the safety gimmicks was for each committee to come up with a catchy slogan(s) to be stenciled at the steps of cabooses, maybe at a local rip track. The Union Pacific had been sloganeering their cabooses for some time before Southern, and Southern’s practice seemed to me to emulate the UP. Of the examples illustrated up to now, it looks to me that the slogans were localized. What I mean is that if anyone had come up with a list of slogans and where they originated, you could tell what safety committee came up with a given slogan. I’m not surprised that the slogans continued into the NS era. What we sometimes forget is that much of the Southern still looked like the Southern five years or so after merger with N&W in 1982. The reason is that the operating departments of the component railroads were operated separately until Robert Claytor retired in 1987. Because railroads were trying hard to phase out cabooses in the early 1980s, and because, operating-wise, there still was a “Southern” and an “N&W” in the mid-1980s, I’m not aware of any caboose that was painted “Norfolk Southern” and used in regular caboose service. They stayed SOU or N&W to the end, and the SOU slogans would have stayed intact on the steps of their cabooses. —Bill Schafer
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darrell2010
Good memory. SOU 78800-79299, PS, Lot 9883, 7=8/75. Darrell Sawyer
On Friday, April 10, 2020, 02:03:17 PM MDT, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:
Pullman-Standard, if memory serves. Not ex-CG. Scott Chatfield "Evan Miller via groups.io" <nsrailfan82@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention. Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design? http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg -Evan Miller
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D. Scott Chatfield
Pullman-Standard, if memory serves. Not ex-CG. Scott Chatfield "Evan Miller via groups.io" <nsrailfan82@...> wrote: Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention. Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design? http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg -Evan Miller
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Re: Southern Ps-4 picture info
Jeffrey Thompson
Thanks Jason
Jeff Thompson
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Re: Safety slogans on cabooses
Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...>
I have a number of caboose photos that have them. Most are two lines in small white letters and not readable in lower resolution scans. I have not gone back to my original slides or negatives to check but there appears to e numerous slogans!
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On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:57 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
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Jason Greene
Are these ex-CG cars?
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On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:23 PM, Evan Miller via groups.io <nsrailfan82@...> wrote:
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Jason Greene
Looks like Atlanta at Terminal Station.
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On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:50 PM, jhtmd1@... wrote:
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Hello everyone, I was looking though the photos on the Southern Railfan photo archives and these hoppers I've linked below caught my attention. Would anyone happen to have any information regarding this class? They lasted long enough into the NS era to receive the designation of HS-22. I know they can't be from Southern's massive fleet of 3 bay 70 tonners built in the 50's. They're not the 3 bay Committee Design cars. And they are not the 3 bay Greenville cars that were built just before the merger. Perhaps Southern received these before switching to the Big Red design?
http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79121.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/78959.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79235.jpg http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/freight/hop/79219.jpg -Evan Miller
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Re: Fairfax Harrison and Federal Control 1918-1920
mike turner
Totally unrelated to federal control in 1918, archive.org has several speeches circa 1914 given by Harrison.
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George Eichelberger
Allen:
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C’mon…you're among (Southern) friends here. No apologies are due anyone. Ike
On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote: Ike,
My most heart felt apologies to all that I may have offended by asking this question here. And thanks to those who offered their help. Allen Cain
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Jeffrey Thompson
Hello, new to the group. It was highly recommended by a fellow modeler. I need some information regarding a photo of a Southern Ps-4. Does anyone recognize the area, date, and most important the cab number of the engine? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much.
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Ike, My most heart felt apologies to all that I may have offended by asking this question here. And thanks to those who offered their help. Allen Cain
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George Eichelberger
Kevin:
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…and the red patches under the slogans are fresh. The “word” at NS always was the N&W mechanical people ran that department after the merger. With few exceptions, I’d bet the slogans are like freight car class stencils on Southern cars……an NS project.
On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Kevin von der Lippe <kevin.vonderlippe@...> wrote: Ike, Unfortunately, I don’t know when or where the photo was taken. I am attaching the full scan. You can see from the consolidated stencil data it is at least 1984. Kevin W. von der Lippe
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Kevin von der Lippe
Ike,
Unfortunately, I don’t know when or where the photo was taken. I am attaching the full scan. You can see from the consolidated stencil data it is at least 1984.
Kevin W. von der Lippe
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George Eichelberger
Brian:
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It certainly is not intended to be private??? There are a number of posts on it tho’ (nice photo of a Southern depressed center flat car and load, for example)….. I’ll check, I could have screwed something up when I set it up! Thanks for the heads up… Ike
On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Brian Clark <brian.ag4bc@...> wrote: Ike Is that a private group? The link does not work and the Groups.IO search does not show a public group with that name. Brian From: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> Reply-To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> Date: Friday, April 10, 2020 at 10:32 AM To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Future Wax Use Stuart: It never changed. SouthernRailway@groups.io is new, not moved from anywhere. The home page description of the group: "A group to discuss, ask questions and provide historical and modeling information about the Southern Railway System its predecessors and subsidiaries. It will also be used to publish and distribute drawings, notes, photos and correspondence from users and the Southern Railway Historical Association's archives at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga, TN.” …includes “modeling” but I tried to write it so people would see “Southern Railway” as opposed to general modeling topics. I have nothing against modeling (CG combine “Ft. Mitchell” and other projects are in progress on my work bench right now) but the idea was to have that reside on the “ModelingTheSouthern.io” group. (I assume people have to subscribe to that group separately.) That is also a SRHA sponsored group with the idea that we could post drawings and information there that would be more useful to modelers than folks on this group. I admit ModelingTheSouthern does not get as much attention as it should but if people ask questions about Southern prototypes, post photos of their models, etc., we can make more use of it. The criteria there should be accurate (SR) prototype modeling as we can without undue nit picking….but to include useful “rivet counting”? Please…jump on ModelingTheSouthern and participate! Ike Ike, When did that change? We used to have lots of modeling discussions on this list before it moved over to Groups.io. Stuart Thayer
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Brian Clark
Ike Is that a private group? The link does not work and the Groups.IO search does not show a public group with that name. Brian
From: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io" <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
Stuart:
It never changed. SouthernRailway@groups.io is new, not moved from anywhere. The home page description of the group:
"A group to discuss, ask questions and provide historical and modeling information about the Southern Railway System its predecessors and subsidiaries. It will also be used to publish and distribute drawings, notes, photos and correspondence from users and the Southern Railway Historical Association's archives at the Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum in Chattanooga, TN.”
…includes “modeling” but I tried to write it so people would see “Southern Railway” as opposed to general modeling topics. I have nothing against modeling (CG combine “Ft. Mitchell” and other projects are in progress on my work bench right now) but the idea was to have that reside on the “ModelingTheSouthern.io” group. (I assume people have to subscribe to that group separately.) That is also a SRHA sponsored group with the idea that we could post drawings and information there that would be more useful to modelers than folks on this group.
I admit ModelingTheSouthern does not get as much attention as it should but if people ask questions about Southern prototypes, post photos of their models, etc., we can make more use of it. The criteria there should be accurate (SR) prototype modeling as we can without undue nit picking….but to include useful “rivet counting”?
Please…jump on ModelingTheSouthern and participate!
Ike
On Apr 10, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Stuart Thayer via
groups.io <StuThayer@...> wrote:
Ike,
When did that change? We used to have lots of modeling discussions on this list before it moved over to Groups.io.
Stuart Thayer
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George Eichelberger
Kevin:
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Do you know when the photo was taken? One of the others has a “1983” date….were slogans put on (ex?) SR cabs by NS following N&W practice? Ike
On Apr 10, 2020, at 1:18 PM, Kevin von der Lippe <kevin.vonderlippe@...> wrote: The attached photo is from an unattributed print I have. Kevin W. von der Lippe
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