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locked SRHA Archives work session next Friday and Saturday

George Eichelberger
 

The October SRHA Archives work session at TVRM is next Friday and Saturday.

There are several projects volunteers can help with. In addition to scanning “location” negatives (there are many more to do even with 17,801 scans in the file now), we need to record the Frank Peacock collection of RERs and Car & Loco Cycs (not every issue…but nearly so), and remove, unfold and scan many carbuilders’ passenger car drawings (incl. unseen some CofG material).

We will start about 10:00 on Friday morning and 8:00 on Saturday. (Sunday is also a possibility if anyone is interested….

Ike


locked Black Passenger Car Roofs on the Southern

George Eichelberger
 

Many things change on rolling stock, many times we recognize the change but have no idea why it was done. The attached example, signed by L. S. Crane when he was with the Southern, is about as specific a reason as possible.

Ike


locked It's just THREE (3+) days away now: Timonium, Maryland train show; October 15-16, 2022; Saturday and Sunday

Cohen Bob
 



For those who have been waiting 6 (six) months, your wait is just about over.

In just over 3 days, come Saturday and Sunday, October 15-16, 2022, the next Timonium, Maryland train show will be held at the Maryland State Fairgrounds there that weekend. Saturday hours are 9-5 and Sunday 10-4 and your admission on Saturday gets you in free on Sunday.

Just about any railroad you can imagine should be represented in some fashion in print availability for some books or magazines there, not to mention models of all gauges, parts a-plenty, operating modular layouts from various groups and who knows what else might be there?

There will also be a bunch operating modular layouts of all gauges to be enjoyed as well.

Likely railroads to be in greatest representation with material of their operations and existence should be the B&O, PRR, Southern, C&O, Ma & Pa, and who knows what else, right?

Oftentimes various RR historical societies have also been in attendance as well as NRHS chapters. The PRR, B&O, Ma & Pa, and WM railroad groups are among those who have been in attendance in the recent past.

There will also be the usual pink elephant table for selling your stuff (alright, alright, it's the White Elephant table I know, but I couldn't resist), located right in center of the South Hall.

No shortage of parking so that's not a problem either.

Hope to see you there in about 3-4 days by the time you receive this.

Bob Cohen


locked Drawings Needing Scanning and Cleaning up at SRHA Archives

George Eichelberger
 

In addition to the rolling stock drawings and memos typically posted to the Southern.io group, there are many depot and other structure drawings and photos in the SRHA archives. Like everything else, volunteers are needed to help get the material organized.

Recently, we began scanning a series of original drawings from 1947 and 1948 when the Spencer, NC roundhouse was being modified to repair the Southern’s “new” diesels. The attached drawing shows the "Proposed Track Layout for Diesel Repair Facilities in Spencer Rdhse" dated 5-10-1947. The original high resolution scan is full size and nearly 60 MB. This version is smaller than the 35” x 20” scan and much lower resolution so it could be posted.

The next scheduled archives work session is Friday and Saturday, Oct 21 and 22. (The L&NHS archives work session is the same dates.)

Ike


locked Austell tower

Warren Stephens
 

Does anyone know the year the tower was raised in Austell? There is a restaurant in downtown Austell that has old photos up and one was the Southern interlocking tower. Not the greatest cell phone photo with glass glare etc. An interesting structure nonetheless. And speaking of Austell what year was the depot removed? I assume it was not moved to another location but was simply demolished?

Warren


locked It's just TEN (10) days away now: Timonium, Maryland train show; October 15-16, 2022; Saturday and Sunday

Cohen Bob
 

For those who have been waiting 6 (six) months, your wait is just about over. For those with a "Honey Do" list, now is the time to get ready.

In just 10 days, come Saturday and Sunday, October 15-16, 2022, the next Timonium, Maryland train show will be held at the Maryland State Fairgrounds there that weekend. Saturday hours are 9-5 and Sunday 10-4 and your admission on Saturday gets you in free on Sunday.

Just about any railroad you can imagine should be represented in some fashion in print availability for some books or magazines there, not to mention models of all gauges, parts a-plenty, operating modular layouts from various groups and who knows what else might be there?

Likely railroads to be in greatest representation with material of their operations and existence should be the B&O, PRR, Southern, C&O, Ma & Pa, and who knows what else, right?

Oftentimes various RR historical societies have also been in attendance as well as NRHS chapters.

There will also be the usual pink elephant table for selling your stuff (okay, okay, it's the White Elephant table I know, but I couldn't resist), right in center of the South Hall.

No shortage of parking so that's not a problem either. So get that Honey Do list done THIS coming weekend.

Hope to see you there in 10 days by the time you receive this.

Bob Cohen



locked Work Session

Carl Ardrey
 

October work session will be the 21st and 22nd.

 

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locked Re: SOU Heavyduty Depressed Center Flat Cars

Allen Cain
 

Thanks for the info. 

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 4:08 PM <rgraham2@...> wrote:
Allen,
'
Theses cars in the 1950's would've been in black with white RR Roman lettering. I.ve attached a 1950's era SOU flat car as an example, along with a later era photo of SOU 50000.

Bob Graham

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From: "Allen Cain"
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Saturday October 1 2022 10:53:26AM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] SOU Heavyduty Depressed Center Flat Cars

Class One Models is producing HO Southern Heavy Duty Depressed Center Flat Cars which are lettered in the later block style with the lube bar codes.

These were in the 50000 to 50001 series.  Only the first car 50000 had friction bearings while the others came with Hyatt roller bearings.  Attached is Southern drawing 31-F-79 for reference.

If we can furnish photos or artwork for them as released in 1953 they are interested in producing that style in a later run.

If you would forward materials to me off list I will see that a package gets to them.

Thanks for the help!

--
Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


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Allen Cain

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Re: SOU Flat Car Paint Color

O Fenton Wells
 

Mostly black


On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 1:11 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
What color paint would have been on Southern flat cars in mid-1955?

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Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

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Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale



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locked Re: SOU Heavyduty Depressed Center Flat Cars

Robert Graham
 

Allen,
'
Theses cars in the 1950's would've been in black with white RR Roman lettering. I.ve attached a 1950's era SOU flat car as an example, along with a later era photo of SOU 50000.

Bob Graham

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From: "Allen Cain"
To: "main@SouthernRailway.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Saturday October 1 2022 10:53:26AM
Subject: [SouthernRailway] SOU Heavyduty Depressed Center Flat Cars

Class One Models is producing HO Southern Heavy Duty Depressed Center Flat Cars which are lettered in the later block style with the lube bar codes.

These were in the 50000 to 50001 series.  Only the first car 50000 had friction bearings while the others came with Hyatt roller bearings.  Attached is Southern drawing 31-F-79 for reference.

If we can furnish photos or artwork for them as released in 1953 they are interested in producing that style in a later run.

If you would forward materials to me off list I will see that a package gets to them.

Thanks for the help!

--
Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Re: SOU Heavyduty Depressed Center Flat Cars

Warren Calloway
 



On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 10:53 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:
Class One Models is producing HO Southern Heavy Duty Depressed Center Flat Cars which are lettered in the later block style with the lube bar codes.

These were in the 50000 to 50001 series.  Only the first car 50000 had friction bearings while the others came with Hyatt roller bearings.  Attached is Southern drawing 31-F-79 for reference.

If we can furnish photos or artwork for them as released in 1953 they are interested in producing that style in a later run.

If you would forward materials to me off list I will see that a package gets to them.

Thanks for the help!


--
Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked SOU Heavyduty Depressed Center Flat Cars

Allen Cain
 

Class One Models is producing HO Southern Heavy Duty Depressed Center Flat Cars which are lettered in the later block style with the lube bar codes.

These were in the 50000 to 50001 series.  Only the first car 50000 had friction bearings while the others came with Hyatt roller bearings.  Attached is Southern drawing 31-F-79 for reference.

If we can furnish photos or artwork for them as released in 1953 they are interested in producing that style in a later run.

If you would forward materials to me off list I will see that a package gets to them.

Thanks for the help!

--
Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked SOU Flat Car Paint Color

Allen Cain
 

What color paint would have been on Southern flat cars in mid-1955?

--
Allen Cain
Modeling The Southern RR in 1955 in HO Scale

--
Allen Cain
Modeling the Southern in 1955 in HO Scale


locked Convention and RPM

Kyle Shannon
 

Great showing already at the SRHA/L&NHS joint convention/RPM. Took this photo earlier of SRHA’s models that were donated recently by the late Frank Peacock. Many more great models on display added since this photo and great presentations and clinics happening Friday and Saturday. Come on out this weekend!


locked Re: 4-8-2's in freight service

George Courtney
 

Would love to see a black Ts with passenger lettering if possible?  I don't have an answer to why Southern used the Ts in freight service.  But I know they B&O used Mountain types in the midwest because of their higher speed over lower driver sized Mikes.

George Courtney


locked 4-8-2's in freight service

Gary Bechdol
 

At the very end of steam on Southern, several Ts and Ts-1 4-8-2's were assigned to Chattanooga-Atlanta-Macon freight sevice.  Several, if not all, were equipped with 14,000 gallon tenders from retired Ps-4's, to eliminate intermediate water stops. Does anyone know, or care to speculate, why the 4-8-2's were assigned to this service instead of, say, Ms-4 2-8-2's. also, what type of trains they might have been assigned to.

There was an article in Southern Rails back in the last century covering the Ts's in this service, but I have not been able to locate my copy.  It included several photos of Ts's in freight black, but at least on was black with full passenger lettering and stripping.  Southern's shop forces were a class act all the way to the end.

Thanks in advance.

Gar Bechdol
Stone Mountain, GA


locked Re: SOUTHERN ALCo RS-11 # 11 Decals

David Friedlander
 

Not sure how well this quest has gone, but if stencil diagrams are freely available, I don't mind drawing everything needed to create an accurate decal sheet in multiple scales for this locomotive.

David Friedlander


On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 12:14 PM John Degnan <scaler164@...> wrote:
I honestly don't know since I am not as Southern-savvy as I should be.  (I have focused on modeling SAL most of my life.)

Also... these decals will need to be S scale, so I feel sure I will have to have a custom set made.  So I might as well do them right instead of settling for something almost-right.


John. D

-------- Original message --------
From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Date: 9/21/22 10:25 AM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] SOUTHERN ALCo RS-11 # 11 Decals

Can you use the Microscale RS-3 decals?  They should be close
Fenton

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:37 AM John Degnan <scaler164@...> wrote:
Are any decal sets available (in any scale) that are appropriate for doing SOU's ALCo RS-11 # 11?

If not, where can I get the correct art work to have these decals done?


John D



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locked Re: More SOU SD40-2 Questions

David Friedlander
 

Thanks Scott! Never really considered that diesel locomotives tried to keep the dust out of the electrical cabinets, but that makes a lot of sense.

David


On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 11:35 PM D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

> Followup:1. What's the purpose of the ECAFB? Was air pushed into the cabinet to keep the 60's electronics cool? 

 

It's a second stage of air filtration for the electrical cabinet.  Remember, most of the carbody is slightly pressurized to keep dust out.  The inertial air filter is the loco's primary (first stage) air filter, but it's only about 95% effective on a good day.  A second, large set of filters cleans the engine intake air, but until mid-1967 the electrical cabinet did not have its own filters.  On 40-series EMDs built from mid-67 to 1972, the ECAFB had two tall cylindrical paper filters.  Dash-2s doubled that to four filters.

 

Scott Chatfield 


locked Re: SR St. Louis Division

Craig Berndt
 

Thank you.  I'll contact them.

You told me that SR took the 45xx locomotives in and out of Indiana via the Monon at French Lick.  Were they dead-in-train thru Burton Tunnel?

Craig Berndt
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On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 07:21:54 PM EDT, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:


I understand the TRRA Historical Society did a deep dive on SOU operations into St. Louis some years ago. You might want to see if they have the issue that featured SOU. 

—Bill


Another iPhone-generated message

On Sep 19, 2022, at 17:49, James Walton <whovianwil@...> wrote:


Crazy to think of seeing Southern trains meeting Burlington Route trains.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2022, 16:41 David Eisman <davideisman@...> wrote:
If you are a Classic Trains Magazine subscriber look up the May 2021 blog post by Kevin Keefe titled “ Southern where I least expected it “. It is a very nice summary with photos of the Louisville to St Louis line.  I will keep looking for more references.
All The Best 
David Eisman 


On Sep 17, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Craig Berndt via groups.io <cjberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Stuart:

Thanks.  I have the book.

Craig
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On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 09:33:51 AM EDT, Stuart Thayer via groups.io <stuthayer=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:


Craig,
 
Have you looked into the book "Rails Around Indiana" by Michael C Kelly & David Crisler Jr.?  There some coverage of the Southern's St Louis Div.  You may be able to glean some additional information to help in your research from the photos and captions.
 
Stuart Thayer

In a message dated 9/17/2022 8:48:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, cjberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io writes:
 
 
Ike:  
 
Thanks.
 
I researched the St. Louis Div. when SR's archives were in Kennesaw.  I've also researched at the national archives, and at state and local libraries and archives.  I have Harrison's book, ICC's valuation report and other official records.  I wanted to know if there are other resources or people who are interested in the St. Louis Div.
 
I have a PowerPoint presentation that I've presented several times in IN and KY.
 
The attached map shows SR's main and 4 branch lines in Indiana.
 
Craig Berndt  
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On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 06:06:31 PM EDT, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
 
 
Craig:

Although it has never been researched in detail, and certainly never published, there is a significant amount of documentation on the St. Louis line in the SRHA archives. The material is not stored on a per-division basis (they changed over the years) so I cannot estimate how much there is but it would certainly be worth someone's time to research and publish the information.
Here's an example....

Ike


locked Re: SOUTHERN ALCo RS-11 # 11 Decals

John Degnan
 

I honestly don't know since I am not as Southern-savvy as I should be.  (I have focused on modeling SAL most of my life.)

Also... these decals will need to be S scale, so I feel sure I will have to have a custom set made.  So I might as well do them right instead of settling for something almost-right.


John. D

-------- Original message --------
From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>
Date: 9/21/22 10:25 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] SOUTHERN ALCo RS-11 # 11 Decals

Can you use the Microscale RS-3 decals?  They should be close
Fenton

On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 8:37 AM John Degnan <scaler164@...> wrote:
Are any decal sets available (in any scale) that are appropriate for doing SOU's ALCo RS-11 # 11?

If not, where can I get the correct art work to have these decals done?


John D



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...