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locked Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

I’m looking for a near complete compendium list of Southern Employee Timetables.

 

Many thanks in advance for any help that anyone could provide.

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 

 


locked Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

I’m looking for a near complete compendium list of Southern Employee Timetables.

 

Many thanks in advance for any help that anyone could provide.

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 


locked Pullman 1948 Car Requirements Report

George Eichelberger
 

The October Southern Railway Historical Assoc. archives work session was particularly productive, toward getting our paper files organized and scanned. The November work session (at the archives on 11-15&16) will continue that work plus focus on the 100,000 plus microfilm aperture cards of Southern, CofG, ACL, SAL, CRR equipment drawings. 

The PRR and B&O/C&O aperture card collections obtained by Larry Goolsby of the ACL/SALHS from CSX have been moved to the PRRT&HS and the B&OHS (with the C&O drawings to go to the C&OHS).

The Southern Railway Presidents’ files are a rich source of information beyond the Southern. The Pullman Co. files before, during and after WWII are an excellent example

C.R. Harding, the Pullman Co. President asked for a study and report on “future sleeping car requirements” that the company would use in its postwar planning. The first page of the 30-page report, submitted on September 2, 1948, is attached. Because it may be of interest to anyone interested in Pullman operations, a PDF of the entire report is available on the new SRHA archives server.

As the server is still very much in a “test” mode, the following user name and password is only temporary and will be taken down in mid-November. It may be downloaded for non-commercial use only with credit to SRHA for anything but personnel use. As time and resources permit, more of SRHA's tens of thousands of archives documents and photos will be available on line.

To access the server enter “mynas.lacie.com/srhaarchive” in the search or address line of any browser. (The browser will need to be able to run Java.) At the site login, enter “Pullman” for the user and “test” for the password. That will take you to the LaCie d2 home page. Click on the file icon in the upper right. The file browser will display a folder marked “Public”. Click that to see another file labeled “Pullman Report”. There, you will notice a 254.23Mb file. Highlight and click the “download” icon in the upper left.

Download will not be instantaneous because of the file size and other people may be downloading it at the same time. If you have any problems or comments, please email “archives@...”.

Ike


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

James
 

Scott,

Here is the photo I took at Little Choo Choo in Spencer, NC of their in stock Wright Trak kits.


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

Ted Hopkins
 

Thank you.

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:18 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

 

The Interstate Commerce Commission valuation maps often had tables that listed land owners and donors, but that could be hit or miss as it was often a valuation crew asking opinions of then current residents and business owners nearby.  Title data in those days was a bit loose.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone



On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:10 PM, tjh@... wrote:

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

A&Y Dave in MD
 

The Interstate Commerce Commission valuation maps often had tables that listed land owners and donors, but that could be hit or miss as it was often a valuation crew asking opinions of then current residents and business owners nearby.  Title data in those days was a bit loose.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:10 PM, tjh@... wrote:

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Moderni zed Coaches

bjarne@juno.com
 

Thank you Curtis -- I recall the same thing that the article had as much info about SR as it did the other lines that served the depot.


locked Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

Ted Hopkins
 

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Southern Railway Aggregate Hoppers

Bill Schafer
 

Thanks a lot, Warren

On Oct 15, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

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On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

All:

For an article in an upcoming TIES, I’d like to find some publishable images of Southern’s aggregate hoppers (pre-NS merger), most of which were built by Greenville Steel Car Co. in the early-1970s. I have immediate need of builders photos and photos of these cars being loaded/unloaded on customers’ tracks. Also, I’d like a small selection of a string of these cars in a train. There were 2500 of these cars in the 101300-103999 series. 

Also, I’d greatly appreciate one or two good images of the Ortner-built aggregate cars (105000-105249) built in the late-1970s. I don’t recall ever seeing one of these cars, either in person or in a photo.

Deadline is approaching, so thanks in advance for a quick response. Please contact me off-list - editor@....

Thanks.

—Bill



locked Re: Southern Railway Aggregate Hoppers

Warren Calloway
 



On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

All:

For an article in an upcoming TIES, I’d like to find some publishable images of Southern’s aggregate hoppers (pre-NS merger), most of which were built by Greenville Steel Car Co. in the early-1970s. I have immediate need of builders photos and photos of these cars being loaded/unloaded on customers’ tracks. Also, I’d like a small selection of a string of these cars in a train. There were 2500 of these cars in the 101300-103999 series. 

Also, I’d greatly appreciate one or two good images of the Ortner-built aggregate cars (105000-105249) built in the late-1970s. I don’t recall ever seeing one of these cars, either in person or in a photo.

Deadline is approaching, so thanks in advance for a quick response. Please contact me off-list - editor@....

Thanks.

—Bill


locked Southern Railway Aggregate Hoppers

Bill Schafer
 

All:

For an article in an upcoming TIES, I’d like to find some publishable images of Southern’s aggregate hoppers (pre-NS merger), most of which were built by Greenville Steel Car Co. in the early-1970s. I have immediate need of builders photos and photos of these cars being loaded/unloaded on customers’ tracks. Also, I’d like a small selection of a string of these cars in a train. There were 2500 of these cars in the 101300-103999 series. 

Also, I’d greatly appreciate one or two good images of the Ortner-built aggregate cars (105000-105249) built in the late-1970s. I don’t recall ever seeing one of these cars, either in person or in a photo.

Deadline is approaching, so thanks in advance for a quick response. Please contact me off-list - editor@....

Thanks.

—Bill


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Had an opportunity to stop in Goldsboro last Friday and found the old depot in a deplorable condition —- not worth photographing. Attached is the new adjacent structure serving buses. The big Goldsboro dream is to restore the old depot and gain passenger service on NCRR. Well, maybe.

Mike Pierry, Jr. 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:33 AM Curtis Brookshire via Groups.Io <curtis.brookshire=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Goldsboro Union Station article: ACL/SAL Historical Society publication Lines South, Vol 31, No 1; 1st Quarter 2014. The article has as much SR information as ACL.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

Curtis Brookshire
 

Goldsboro Union Station article: ACL/SAL Historical Society publication Lines South, Vol 31, No 1; 1st Quarter 2014. The article has as much SR information as ACL.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

George Eichelberger
 

Scott:

WrightTrak did two versions of rebuilt 40’ box cars: “XF” food service cars (green doors) and 40’ roof hatch cars. Both are excellent models although I did not use his underframe castings. I’ve attached a photo of Southern 32458 built from a WrightTrak kit. Notice the roof is modified correctly to make room for the hatches.

Gary plans to come to this weekend’s archives work session. He has located a few WrightTrak items we need to get “Southern Models” (?) organized and in production.

If anyone is seriously interested in helping, the revised version of the Southern 40’ box car book could be finished early next year.

Ike



On Oct 15, 2019, at 6:28 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

I thought WrightTrak did a Southern Railway modernized 40-footer, but I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh.  What series did it represent?  A Berwick perhaps?  Is this one of the masters the Association bought?

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

James
 

Scott,

Best I remember you are correct in that there was a modernized 40ft kit made but I am not sure which variants.
I am going to Spencer today and I will take a pic of what Little Choo Choo has in stock.  Last time I was there they had several 40 ft kits for the food loading cars and the roof hatch car.

On Oct 15, 2019, at 6:28 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

I thought WrightTrak did a Southern Railway modernized 40-footer, but I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh.  What series did it represent?  A Berwick perhaps?  Is this one of the masters the Association bought?

Scott Chatfield

James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked WrightTrak modernized 40' box

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I thought WrightTrak did a Southern Railway modernized 40-footer, but I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh.  What series did it represent?  A Berwick perhaps?  Is this one of the masters the Association bought?

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

Bill Schafer
 

IIRC, the coaches (I think there were two) assigned to trains 7-8 during the Amtrak limbo were modernized heavyweight single vestibule cars, each equipped with the “food service” required on these trains - a vending machine.  

My guess is that between 1971 and 1975, there was little to no variance on the cars used in this service.

—Bill

On Oct 14, 2019, at 12:31 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I don't know the answer to your question whether the 52 seat single vestibule cars ran in those train, maybe Bill Schafer would know.  However, it is a good possibility as these cars ran all over the system.
As far as the interior of the cars I can' tell you the colors of the interiors when built although I do have a copy of a color chart that lists but does not show the colors. from the SRHA files from when I was doing a book on these cars.  It's hard to read as my copy is small but it's the best I can do.  I do have photos of the car interiors that I took but they would not be as built.  Probably from the late 1950's or 1960's reshopping.
I hope this helps,
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 9:17 PM bjarne@... <bjarne@...> wrote:
Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1)  Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station?  Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones.  I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2)  Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline  -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance.  I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne





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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...
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locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Moderni zed Coaches

bjarne@juno.com
 

Thank you Fenton for the pictures. The colors look just like I remember them! Truly appreciate your help with this request. I hope you get the chance to write the article! Sincerely, Bjarne


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

O Fenton Wells
 

I don't know the answer to your question whether the 52 seat single vestibule cars ran in those train, maybe Bill Schafer would know.  However, it is a good possibility as these cars ran all over the system.
As far as the interior of the cars I can' tell you the colors of the interiors when built although I do have a copy of a color chart that lists but does not show the colors. from the SRHA files from when I was doing a book on these cars.  It's hard to read as my copy is small but it's the best I can do.  I do have photos of the car interiors that I took but they would not be as built.  Probably from the late 1950's or 1960's reshopping.
I hope this helps,
Fenton

On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 9:17 PM bjarne@... <bjarne@...> wrote:
Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1)  Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station?  Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones.  I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2)  Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline  -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance.  I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne





--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

George Eichelberger
 

Bjarne:

I don’t remember anything about Goldsboro Union Station that has been published but I have been accumulating material for a TIES article. (Maybe also “Lines South” as it was a Southern/ACL/NS union station.) Look for the Goldsboro contracts in the list I published here before. I also found a Goldsboro reference in the SR Presidents’ files finding aids. I will look for those at the work session this Thurs-Sat.

We will also scan (OCR?) the passenger car drawings index this weekend. We have a more or less complete set of Southern passenger car drawings dating back to about 1904. (The drawings do not start earlier because the Southern did not acquire much new rolling stock in its first ten years or so.) Because the conversions were done at Hayne, we should have files and drawings.

The problem always is…we have more work to do in the archives than we have volunteers to do it. If people, or groups of people from the various “Southern” states will make plans to get to Chatt to work for a couple of days, we can schedule an ad-hoc work session almost anytime.

For anyone really serious about Southern rolling stock, after Southern office car #5 gets to TVRM, anyone that wants to learn about and work on 12” to the foot rolling stock, they are welcome to help.

Ike

Photo of Goldsboro Union Station 8-14-59 Ben Roberts collection, SRHA archives



On Oct 13, 2019, at 9:16 PM, bjarne@... wrote:

Gents:

I need your help please on two issues:

(1)  Does anyone remember what magazine had the article on Goldsboro Union Station?  Was it a SRR HS magazine or one of the ACL/SAL/SCL ones.  I thought I had clipped the article but now cant find it.

(2)  Does anyone know if there is an article on the SRR heavyweight single vestibule coaches rebuilt from Pullmans and used on Train 7-8 between Washington & Lynchburg and the Piedmont? I have the car sides from USP, the roof and a basic body kit from Branchline  -- and now need to be able to accurately install all of the "stuff" underneath the car in its proper order and paint the interior (which IIRC was in tones of grey?).

Thanks for your guidance.  I hope to write an article on this project -- sincerely,

/s/ Bjarne




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