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locked Re: Mike's model railroad

George Eichelberger
 

Mike:

There is a lot (!) of material available on the S Line and Murphy branch but I have to ask; How much detail are you going to model? My own layout covers only from Murphy Jct to Old Fort (an old photo of part of Asheville Yard is attached) but I think I’d need two lifetimes to finish even that.

If you are looking for data on specific locations, let us know…..

(We should move this discussion to the ModelingtheSouthern@groups.io.)

Ike

PS The plan is to do a clinic at the upcoming CCB RPM on using prototype information to do a “Prototype Model” of a particular piece of railroad, Murphy to Old Fort in this example.


locked Re: Mike's model railroad, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Tim
 

I'm modeling that line, but just the Spencer to Clinchcross portion. I've found the "Business Tracks and Stations Not Shown in Station Columns" in the employee timetable to be very helpful.

Also, look at the county GIS web sites. The one for Catawba County is particularly helpful, with very easy access to deed history which sometimes tells you who used to own the property in question.

Tim Rumph
Lancaster, SC


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

Jason Greene
 

Looks like the flag is wrapped around the firecracker. Guess it’s all right time and right angle. 

Jason Greene 

On Nov 17, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Charles Powell <charlesspowell@...> wrote:

Jason,
What you are seeing is the white flag in the flag holder and a radio antenna on top of the hood directly behind the flag. Since 3121 is equipped with Loco Control radio equipment there are two antennas.

James
I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Charlie   


locked Mike's model railroad, was Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

C J Wyatt
 

<<
The reason is I am going to be building the Murphy Branch and the Main line from Knoxville to Spencer. I know this is a lot information. If there's other out there that can help with this information to include industries along these routes please feel free to email me directly. I have live on the Murphy Branch and other Southern RR routes and just love what they did and want build the best representation of this beautiful railroad.

Mike Roderick
>>

That's pretty ambitious. Are you talking HO, N, or some other scale? Any particular places which you are focusing on? Time period?

My knowledge of the area is not great, but if I see anything relevant, I'll pass it on.

Jack Wyatt


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

James
 

Bob,

Thanks for the answer!  This was a hard one to track down with a lot of internet searches.  There are so few pictures that show the conductors side of the locomotive.  I first noticed it on a picture I had been shown in Spencer and this was the first time I really noticed it.  After that I started researching it and photos proved elusive at best.  I for one would like to see other photos of this and some really nice roof shots.

On Nov 17, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Robert Graham <rgraham2@...> wrote:

The "box" observed in front of the fireman's side battery box on the short hood end of SOME SOU SD45's is the ATS control box. A comprehensive examination of SOU's entire SD45 roster concludes the "box" under query was ONLY present on SOU SD45 3105-3159, the 55 SD45 in the 1st order DELIVERED with ATS. SOU President W.G Claytor in June 1969 decided ALL new SOU locomotive deliveries would NOT be ordered with ATS, as an application to discontinue use of ATS had been made (and was ultimately approved) to discontinue use over the entire SR, except for lines over which passenger trains still operated. The cost of ATS equipment on new locomotives was substantial, and Mr. Claytor decided the risk of short term loss of equipment flexibility was more than offset by reduced new locomotive cost. Examination of SOU SD45's 3100-3104 (2nd), 3160-3169 delivered in 1970 shows the "box" not present. Additionally SD45 3120 (2nd), NOT equipped as a Locotrol master (a wreck replacement for SD45 3120 (1st) that WAS a Locotrol master) delivered in 1970 also did not have the box. Those SOU SD45 so equipped with the box retained said box until retired by NS, even though the ATS equipment had been removed. I will be glad to provide photographic evidence to support upon request. 

To answer the "spare knuckle" box question, SOU SD45 had no external provision for carrying spare knuckles. If they were carried, it was inside the hood or the cab. The N&W did utilize an exterior "basket" for spare knuckles, usually located on the long hood running board just ahead of the engineer's cab front. This practice carried over under NS, and some NS locomotives, including some classes of former SOU locomotives received this modification. These spare knuckle "baskets" have perforated sides and are clearly visible as such.


Bob Graham

-----------------------------------------

From: "James"
To: "main@southernrailway.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday November 17 2019 3:36:08PM
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern SD-45's

I appreciate all the answers so far and welcome more info on this item.   After looking at pictures after posting, I think the ATS equipment box is the answer.  On all SD35 and SD45’s I find this “box” on there is an ATS shoe on both sides of the truck in the short hood end.  Also I have not known Southern to carry spare knuckles was this a Southern practice?

On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

>I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Perhaps, but it seems a little narrow and way too deep to hold a knuckle.  It would be very awkward trying to lift one out.

I think it holds ATS equipment.  Notice the hinges on the outer edge and how tightly the lid seats.  No evidence of being scraped while extracting a knuckle.

Perhaps the answer is in the archives.....

My $.02

Scott Chatfield


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC





James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Southern SD-45's

Robert Graham
 

The "box" observed in front of the fireman's side battery box on the short hood end of SOME SOU SD45's is the ATS control box. A comprehensive examination of SOU's entire SD45 roster concludes the "box" under query was ONLY present on SOU SD45 3105-3159, the 55 SD45 in the 1st order DELIVERED with ATS. SOU President W.G Claytor in June 1969 decided ALL new SOU locomotive deliveries would NOT be ordered with ATS, as an application to discontinue use of ATS had been made (and was ultimately approved) to discontinue use over the entire SR, except for lines over which passenger trains still operated. The cost of ATS equipment on new locomotives was substantial, and Mr. Claytor decided the risk of short term loss of equipment flexibility was more than offset by reduced new locomotive cost. Examination of SOU SD45's 3100-3104 (2nd), 3160-3169 delivered in 1970 shows the "box" not present. Additionally SD45 3120 (2nd), NOT equipped as a Locotrol master (a wreck replacement for SD45 3120 (1st) that WAS a Locotrol master) delivered in 1970 also did not have the box. Those SOU SD45 so equipped with the box retained said box until retired by NS, even though the ATS equipment had been removed. I will be glad to provide photographic evidence to support upon request. 

To answer the "spare knuckle" box question, SOU SD45 had no external provision for carrying spare knuckles. If they were carried, it was inside the hood or the cab. The N&W did utilize an exterior "basket" for spare knuckles, usually located on the long hood running board just ahead of the engineer's cab front. This practice carried over under NS, and some NS locomotives, including some classes of former SOU locomotives received this modification. These spare knuckle "baskets" have perforated sides and are clearly visible as such.


Bob Graham

-----------------------------------------

From: "James"
To: "main@southernrailway.groups.io"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday November 17 2019 3:36:08PM
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Southern SD-45's

I appreciate all the answers so far and welcome more info on this item.   After looking at pictures after posting, I think the ATS equipment box is the answer.  On all SD35 and SD45’s I find this “box” on there is an ATS shoe on both sides of the truck in the short hood end.  Also I have not known Southern to carry spare knuckles was this a Southern practice?

On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

>I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Perhaps, but it seems a little narrow and way too deep to hold a knuckle.  It would be very awkward trying to lift one out.

I think it holds ATS equipment.  Notice the hinges on the outer edge and how tightly the lid seats.  No evidence of being scraped while extracting a knuckle.

Perhaps the answer is in the archives.....

My $.02

Scott Chatfield


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Southern SD-45's

James
 

I appreciate all the answers so far and welcome more info on this item.   After looking at pictures after posting, I think the ATS equipment box is the answer.  On all SD35 and SD45’s I find this “box” on there is an ATS shoe on both sides of the truck in the short hood end.  Also I have not known Southern to carry spare knuckles was this a Southern practice?

On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:30 PM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

>I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Perhaps, but it seems a little narrow and way too deep to hold a knuckle.  It would be very awkward trying to lift one out.

I think it holds ATS equipment.  Notice the hinges on the outer edge and how tightly the lid seats.  No evidence of being scraped while extracting a knuckle.

Perhaps the answer is in the archives.....

My $.02

Scott Chatfield


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Southern SD-45's

D. Scott Chatfield
 

>I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Perhaps, but it seems a little narrow and way too deep to hold a knuckle.  It would be very awkward trying to lift one out.

I think it holds ATS equipment.  Notice the hinges on the outer edge and how tightly the lid seats.  No evidence of being scraped while extracting a knuckle.

Perhaps the answer is in the archives.....

My $.02

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Michael Roderick
 

Ron:

I would be interested in the ETT's for the following area's. Time period is 30's through 60's if you don't have all those I will be glad to use what you have to build a TT in Excel.

Murphy Branch
Knoxville
Asheville
Old Fort
Hickory
Winston Salem
Spencer

The reason is I am going to be building the Murphy Branch and the Main line from Knoxville to Spencer. I know this is a lot information. If there's other out there that can help with this information to include industries along these routes please feel free to email me directly. I have live on the Murphy Branch and other Southern RR routes and just love what they did and want build the best representation of this beautiful railroad.

Mike Roderick
Modeling the Murphy Branch
in Central Indiana


From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> on behalf of Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 13:32
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>; Ron Stafford via Groups.Io <wag2200@...>
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Ron:
Your divisional CD idea is one we are exploring.
CEA
On November 17, 2019 at 11:50 AM "Ron Stafford via Groups.Io" <wag2200@...> wrote:

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.

 


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Ron Stafford
 

Thank you Carl. In addition to the employee timetables, it might be worth looking into other forms of paperwork that could be included...track charts, signal charts, etc. That might make the divisional DVD idea even more appealing.

Something to think about...

Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Ardrey <carlardrey2005@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>; Ron Stafford via Groups.Io <wag2200@...>
Sent: Sun, Nov 17, 2019 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Ron:
Your divisional CD idea is one we are exploring.
CEA
On November 17, 2019 at 11:50 AM "Ron Stafford via Groups.Io" <wag2200@...> wrote:

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.

 


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Carl Ardrey
 

Ron:
Your divisional CD idea is one we are exploring.
CEA

On November 17, 2019 at 11:50 AM "Ron Stafford via Groups.Io" <wag2200@...> wrote:

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.

 


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

C J Wyatt
 

Extra knuckle might be a better explanation, but as noted, the unit is a radio train leader and the short hood is probably crammed with that equipment. The white number board indicates a leader for those of you who don't know.

Jack Wyatt

On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 01:23:53 PM EST, C J Wyatt <cjwyatt@...> wrote:


My guess (strictly guess) is that the extension is housing the controls for the ATC equipment. Notice the pickup shoe on the truck.

Jack Wyatt


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

C J Wyatt
 

My guess (strictly guess) is that the extension is housing the controls for the ATC equipment. Notice the pickup shoe on the truck.

Jack Wyatt


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

Charles Powell
 

Jason,
What you are seeing is the white flag in the flag holder and a radio antenna on top of the hood directly behind the flag. Since 3121 is equipped with Loco Control radio equipment there are two antennas.

James
I think the extension was a box to put an extra knuckle.

Charlie   


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Ron Stafford
 

Group,

Although I am no longer a dues paying member of the SRHA itself (retirement and living on a fixed income has caused me to have to drop my membership in several of the many historical societies that I once belonged to), I still follow the SRHA to the extent that I can here on groups.io.

Having said that, I realize that my non-member status doesn’t count for much, however I would still like to make a suggestion. Why not consider an attempt at selling a series of divisional DVD’s containing the various ETT’s that the society has scanned and available for reference? Maybe start with one of the more popular divisions and see how sales go from there, and then base the possibility of future releases on that (perhaps a poll could be taken to see which divisions garner the most interest).

I have several hundred SOU employee timetables scanned, primarily from those divisions in the Appalachian region (Appalachia, Asheville, Knoxville, etc.) but also several from certain divisions south of there, primarily Charleston, Columbia, etc., and would like to be able to share that information with others who have the same interest (and maybe eventually, the timetables themselves). Dates in the collection range from the early 1920’s up through the 1980’s.

FWIW, when I went to the io.groups homepage to attempt to post a list of the issues in my collection, it appears that the section is not available (all I got was a red outlined circle with a diagonal bar through it, similar to the “No Parking” or “No Smoking”, etc. signs you so often see these days).

Let’s keep this discussion going forward…

Ron Stafford
 

 


-----Original Message-----
From: George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2019 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Southern SD-45's

Jason Greene
 

Is that a town whistle on either side of the short hood? I have never noticed town whistles on Southern equipment. 

Jason Greene 

On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:56 AM, James <nsc39dash8@...> wrote:

in the past months I have studying pictures of Southern SD-45 fleet.  I have found one item very curious and can find no information about it.
The item in question is an extension of the battery box on the short hood end conductors side as seen below.

<SOU3121.1.png>


This extension appears on most SD-45's from 3106 thru 3160 or so.  Can anyone explain what this was used for,  also it appears on the SD35's as well.
I am posing this question on several lists so please forgive in duplication.

Thanks in advance,
James Wall
Rural Hall, NC


locked Southern SD-45's

James
 

in the past months I have studying pictures of Southern SD-45 fleet.  I have found one item very curious and can find no information about it.
The item in question is an extension of the battery box on the short hood end conductors side as seen below.



This extension appears on most SD-45's from 3106 thru 3160 or so.  Can anyone explain what this was used for,  also it appears on the SD35's as well.
I am posing this question on several lists so please forgive in duplication.

Thanks in advance,
James Wall
Rural Hall, NC


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A&Y Dave in MD
 

Ike,

It did feel as if instead of answering his question or clarifying his request, that you implied he was talking about scanning ETT content. I was confused by your response too.

As to Robert, I am unaware of a SR ETT list, directory or compendium. Tom Daspit’s website, http:southern.railfan.net has the list of divisions, as they changed substantially over time. But i don’t think he’s listed all ETTs for each.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 17, 2019, at 12:14 AM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Robert:

Excuse me….I did not say you were asking for scans of every TT. My questions were to find opinions about all kinds of archival material, the fact that we are in the process of finalizing the TT project coincided nicely with your question. 

My question: "How should SRHA make them available and at what price?” was obviously referring to the scans.



On Nov 16, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Robert Richardson <seaboard@...> wrote:

George and everyone see notes in RED
 
Robert Richardson
Henderson, NC
MP S114.5
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.
 
What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.
 
As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.

Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use. 



locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Is Robert asking for a list, or the contents? 

 I’ve wondered myself if I have all the Winston-Salem division ETTs accounted for. I’m not interested in reading them all, so a list by division then date and/or number indicating what existed would be useful enough.

since people can find them around fairly easily, no sense in SRHA using a lot of volunteer effort on scanning them. In my opinion, save that precious volunteers effort for making available things the Archives have that no one else can access!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:40 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

George Eichelberger
 

Robert:

Excuse me….I did not say you were asking for scans of every TT. My questions were to find opinions about all kinds of archival material, the fact that we are in the process of finalizing the TT project coincided nicely with your question. 

My question: "How should SRHA make them available and at what price?” was obviously referring to the scans.



On Nov 16, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Robert Richardson <seaboard@...> wrote:

George and everyone see notes in RED
 
Robert Richardson
Henderson, NC
MP S114.5
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.
 
What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.
 
As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.

Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use. 


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