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locked Archives Work Session Feb 22-23

Jim Thurston
 

Just a reminder that the SRHA Archives Work Session will be Friday & Saturday, Feb 22-23

Jim Thurston


locked Re: Southern FP-7 Details

Justin May
 

Southwest Scale Productions offers HO scale FP7-F9 after cooler piping for sale which is also sold by Highliners.


Justin May

On Feb 9, 2019, at 14:59, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

As far as I know the long cooling pipes mounted alongside the radiator fans were aftercooler pipes between the air compressor and the main reservoir.  Sounds like the finned pipes on the E6s and E7s had a different purpose.  Remember, the radiators on the early Es were nothing like those on the Fs or E8s.

My understanding is the aftercooler pipes were a retrofit offered by EMD after being made standard on the F9.  So perhaps installed after 1954.  Many railroads added them to their earlier Fs.

In HO, I think Bowser sells an aftercooler pipe assembly for F units.


Scott Chatfield
<DL-3253 cooling sys mod E6 & E&_B.jpg>


locked Re: Southern FP-7 Details

Gary Bechdol
 

Highliners also has aftercooler 
pipes for F-units.

Gary 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, 4:18 PM D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@... wrote:
As far as I know the long cooling pipes mounted alongside the radiator fans were aftercooler pipes between the air compressor and the main reservoir.  Sounds like the finned pipes on the E6s and E7s had a different purpose.  Remember, the radiators on the early Es were nothing like those on the Fs or E8s.

My understanding is the aftercooler pipes were a retrofit offered by EMD after being made standard on the F9.  So perhaps installed after 1954.  Many railroads added them to their earlier Fs.

In HO, I think Bowser sells an aftercooler pipe assembly for F units.


Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Southern FP-7 Details

D. Scott Chatfield
 

As far as I know the long cooling pipes mounted alongside the radiator fans were aftercooler pipes between the air compressor and the main reservoir.  Sounds like the finned pipes on the E6s and E7s had a different purpose.  Remember, the radiators on the early Es were nothing like those on the Fs or E8s.

My understanding is the aftercooler pipes were a retrofit offered by EMD after being made standard on the F9.  So perhaps installed after 1954.  Many railroads added them to their earlier Fs.

In HO, I think Bowser sells an aftercooler pipe assembly for F units.


Scott Chatfield


locked Re: Southern FP-7 Details

George Eichelberger
 

There does not appear to be any drawings of rooftop cooling pipes for FP-7s in the SRHA archive scans. As many early photos of Southern FP-7s do not show the pipes, I expect they were added after delivery by the Southern. If that is correct, the shops may have simply used the drawings created for E-6 and E-7s. I have uploaded one of them before so here is a different, DL-3253, showing how the rooftop pipes were connected to the engine cooling systems. Most of the E-6 pipes had fins to increase their heat dissipation but plain pipes appear to have been used later (a cost consideration as the finned pipes were a special purpose?)

Ike



On Feb 7, 2019, at 6:59 PM, SouRwyFan via Groups.Io <blackaerocoupe@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I am working on a project and trying to gather info on FP-7's.

Anybody got dimensions or drawings of rooftop piping? (Were they cooling coils or air lines up there?)
Also what about location of backup headlight and other details of rear of units?
I know it's a stretch but what about painting diagram/Spec sheet?

Thanks!
RS


locked Re: Southern FP-7 Details

milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...>
 

File section  of the Yahoogroup migrated to groups.io has drawings.


locked Re: Southern FP-7 Details

O Fenton Wells
 

I know Bob Harp did one of these  on the old Southern Modeler site.  Check to see if it is still there.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 7:08 PM SouRwyFan via Groups.Io <blackaerocoupe=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all,

I am working on a project and trying to gather info on FP-7's.

Anybody got dimensions or drawings of rooftop piping? (Were they cooling coils or air lines up there?)
Also what about location of backup headlight and other details of rear of units?
I know it's a stretch but what about painting diagram/Spec sheet?

Thanks!
RS



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locked Southern FP-7 Details

SouRwyFan
 

Hi all,

I am working on a project and trying to gather info on FP-7's.

Anybody got dimensions or drawings of rooftop piping? (Were they cooling coils or air lines up there?)
Also what about location of backup headlight and other details of rear of units?
I know it's a stretch but what about painting diagram/Spec sheet?

Thanks!
RS


locked Operating Contract between the Pullman Co. and Southern Railway System

George Eichelberger
 

SRHA is in the process of scanning more than 1,000 contracts, operating agreements, leases, joint facility agreements and equipment trusts. In the next few weeks we should be able to upload scans of the cover of every/most  contracts in the SRHA archives. Here is a complete scan of Southern Railway contract No. 1109 with the Pullman Co. dated January 1, 1946. Because it is most likely the wording Pullman negotiated with every railroad operating Pullmans at that time, I will cross-post it to other groups.io groups.

Note that this is not a "golden age" Pullman agreement! It covers the dissolution of the Pullman Co. where its stock was sold to the railroads but continues "sleeping car" contracts, modified as needed by the court. There are multiple Pullman contracts in the SRHA archives BUT they never include information on specific car line numbers (Pullman routes) or cars. Much of that data is available in the SRHA archives although it is spread out in multiple files.

Ike


locked January SRHA Archives Work Session

George Eichelberger
 

We are back from the Cocoa Beach RPM and this weekend's Atlanta train show. I expect several folks we spoke to will help at Friday and Saturday's SRHA archives work session. We will be working on photo prints, negatives, documents and the 300,000 aperture card drawings from CSX. We would like to get cards for the B&O, PRR, etc sorted so they can eventually be passed to their home road historical groups. Of course, there will be time just to look into the variety of material in the archives.

Friday at Turntable Road (TVRM Grand Jct) from 10:00 til and Saturday from about 7:30 until everyone is ready to leave.

Ike


locked SOU steam slides collection for sale

Jim King
 

I recently purchased a Nikon Cool Scan 5000 to scan my large slide collection.  Slides I did not take and ones that are no longer applicable to my modeling, research, etc., will be sold off. 

 

The first group to be offered is Southern steam.  In 1990, I had the opportunity to borrow the late Ed Griffin’s slide collection to copy and sell thru the SRHA as a fundraiser.  Ed (called “Red” by his co-workers) was the Asheville roundhouse foreman from about 1949 until retiring in 1980.  I copied 76 of the 135 slides on Ektachrome for maximum color accuracy using a Canon bellows copier and balanced light.  They were sold in 3 sets.  As you can imagine, these went FAST.  They were never rerun.  Occasionally, a random slide from these sets appears on eBay but complete or nearly-complete sets have not appeared, at least, not that I’ve noticed.  Sets 1 and 2 contained 20 slides each (I have 19 and 14, respectively); set 3 contained 36 (I have 33).

 

He shot Kodachrome ASA 8 or 10 of mostly parked engines (cold and under steam, some with main rods missing, all uncoupled) around the Asheville roundhouse plus 4 slides of the Skyland Special with 2-10-2 helper (2 trains) on Saluda, a late PM silhouette of a 2-8-2 on High Fill (Old Fort Loops) and 3 action shots of a 2-8-8-2 on Biltmore Hill hauling an empty reefer train.  In mid-1949, he was transferred to Sheffield, Alabama (his home) for a couple months where he “kept shooting”; there are several shots of little 2-8-0s including 401 under steam towing a caboose and boxcar (this engine now runs in Indiana).  1 slide shows a long deadline of engines in East Yard with 4-6-2 #1267 in the lead (1 of 4 PS-2s that ran the Murphy Branch).  The Asheville slides were taken 1949-1950; my slides are 1st generation copies and all are irreplaceable.    The whereabouts of Ed’s original slides are unknown.

 

These have been valued at $6.00 each simply because they are copy-slides of rare content.  Well-lit, original Kodachromes could easily fetch $200-$400 each in an auction setting.  I have a total of 66 unique views plus duplicate views of 14 of those, totaling 80 color, Southern slides.  Value = 80 x 6 = $480.

 

In addition to Ed’s slides, I have 82 miscellaneous slides I’ve picked up over the years, including several Kodachrome copy slides of B&W prints of Asheville engines I shot in the 1980s.  The engines shown in the B&W Kodachromes are also represented in color by Ed’s slides but from different angles and dates.  There are 6 copy slides of Frank Clodfelter Kodachromes shot in 1947-48 in the Old Fort Loops and Asheville roundhouse and 2 more his of a 1951 wreck between a 4-8-2 and green F’s at Craggy (on the Tennessee Division a few miles from Asheville).  Most subjects are not from the Asheville area.  On average, these are valued at $3.00 each; some are worth more, some less, depending on “what you’re after”.  Value = 82 x 3 = $246.

 

These are being sold as a single collection.  Total for the 2 “batches” = $726.  The first person to offer $700 gets them, including Priority Mail to a Lower 48 address.  Understandably, Ed’s 66 unique COLOR views are the kernel of this collection and well worth the price.  Finding well-lit, COLOR images of Southern steam around Asheville is extremely hard to accomplish simply because Southern dieselized here in August 1952 and much of the steam was already stored by 1949-50.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


locked SOU steam slides collection for sale

Jim King
 

I recently purchased a Nikon Cool Scan 5000 to scan my large slide collection.  Slides I did not take and ones that are no longer applicable to my modeling, research, etc., will be sold off. 

 

The first group to be offered is Southern steam.  In 1990, I had the opportunity to borrow the late Ed Griffin’s slide collection to copy and sell thru the SRHA as a fundraiser.  Ed (called “Red” by his co-workers) was the Asheville roundhouse foreman from about 1949 until retiring in 1980.  I copied 76 of the 135 slides on Ektachrome for maximum color accuracy using a Canon bellows copier and balanced light.  They were sold in 3 sets.  As you can imagine, these went FAST.  They were never rerun.  Occasionally, a random slide from these sets appears on eBay but complete or nearly-complete sets have not appeared, at least, not that I’ve noticed.  Sets 1 and 2 contained 20 slides each (I have 19 and 14, respectively); set 3 contained 36 (I have 33).

 

He shot Kodachrome ASA 8 or 10 of mostly parked engines (cold and under steam, some with main rods missing, all uncoupled) around the Asheville roundhouse plus 4 slides of the Skyland Special with 2-10-2 helper (2 trains) on Saluda, a late PM silhouette of a 2-8-2 on High Fill (Old Fort Loops) and 3 action shots of a 2-8-8-2 on Biltmore Hill hauling an empty reefer train.  In mid-1949, he was transferred to Sheffield, Alabama (his home) for a couple months where he “kept shooting”; there are several shots of little 2-8-0s including 401 under steam towing a caboose and boxcar (this engine now runs in Indiana).  1 slide shows a long deadline of engines in East Yard with 4-6-2 #1267 in the lead (1 of 4 PS-2s that ran the Murphy Branch).  The Asheville slides were taken 1949-1950; my slides are 1st generation copies and all are irreplaceable.    The whereabouts of Ed’s original slides are unknown.

 

These have been valued at $6.00 each simply because they are copy-slides of rare content.  Well-lit, original Kodachromes could easily fetch $200-$400 each in an auction setting.  I have a total of 66 unique views plus duplicate views of 14 of those, totaling 80 color, Southern slides.  Value = 80 x 6 = $480.

 

In addition to Ed’s slides, I have 82 miscellaneous slides I’ve picked up over the years, including several Kodachrome copy slides of B&W prints of Asheville engines I shot in the 1980s.  The engines shown in the B&W Kodachromes are also represented in color by Ed’s slides but from different angles and dates.  There are 6 copy slides of Frank Clodfelter Kodachromes shot in 1947-48 in the Old Fort Loops and Asheville roundhouse and 2 more his of a 1951 wreck between a 4-8-2 and green F’s at Craggy (on the Tennessee Division a few miles from Asheville).  Most subjects are not from the Asheville area.  On average, these are valued at $3.00 each; some are worth more, some less, depending on “what you’re after”.  Value = 82 x 3 = $246.

 

These are being sold as a single collection.  Total for the 2 “batches” = $726.  The first person to offer $700 gets them, including Priority Mail to a Lower 48 address.  Understandably, Ed’s 66 unique COLOR views are the kernel of this collection and well worth the price.  Finding nicely-lit, COLOR images of Southern steam around Asheville is extremely hard to accomplish simply because Southern dieselized here in August 1952 and much of the steam was already stored by 1949-50.

 

Jim King

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

 


locked Need X793 heritage

Jim King
 

I'm helping the Apple Valley Model RR Club update their web site re: heritage of X793.  I have built and renovation dates.  I need to know the 4-digit number it once carried and the freight car it was built from.

Thanks,
Jim King


locked Re: Missing Contract Books

rwbrv4
 

I though Carl had located a complete set up in KY., and they were being transported to the last work session?

Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Thurston <jthurston@...>
To: main <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2019 1:13 pm
Subject: [SouthernRailway] Missing Contract Books

Over the weekend we inventoried the SR Contract Books in our possession, and found that we are missing 4 volumes out of 28. A complete list is attached.

If any of you have copies of these missing volumes, please let us know. We'd like to fill the holes.

Thanks!

Jim Thurston
SRHA Archives


locked Re: A Silverside off-line?

Jim King
 

N&W 475 is what it's coupled to.  I have an original color neg showing that engine with the Silverside coupled to it.  N&W 433 was already spotted on the Abingdon panel track display before this date.  475 was dolled up to look "ancient" for the 1957 NRHS convention.  It was the lead engine on the tripleheader that ran on the Blacksburg branch.  475 has been operating at Strasburg for many years, thankfully.


locked Silverside gon in Bristol VA

Jim King
 

A few weeks ago, there was a post re: an ebay slide of a Silverside gon.  I replied that I have an original negative showing the N&W 4-8-0 475 it was coupled to with info on the envelope stating Bristol VA on September 2, 1960.  A reply to that was to the affect the info had to be wrong because a regional "expert" said it would never have happened..  There is an ebay listing now showing this same car in the same location on 9/2/60 just as my negative envelope stated.  The car is clearly parked in front of the Bristol yard office to an N&W tender.  N&W had fully dieselized in May 1960 so this was a display of some sort, possibly another NRHS convention since September was a common month for those gatherings in that era.

Here's the link:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/COPY-SLIDE-Southern-Railway-aluminum-hopper-1147-Duplicateal-Ektachrome-slid/163464547325?hash=item260f3f0bfd:g:MMYAAOSw~KNcLSQT

While I have no knowledge of the event that led to this strange meeting of a new Silverside coupled to a dolled-up 4-8-0 (the lead engine used in the famous NRHS 1957 convention tripleheader on the Blacksburg Branch), saying that such a meeting would "never have happened" simply because an "expert" said so is how misinformation spreads.  Memories are faulty, especially ones from 58 years ago.  I rely on multiple historical accounts with photographic evidence whenever possible.


locked Re: Index to Southern contracts Vol XII

David Friedlander
 

Ike,

I finally had a day to get back and look at OCRing this (holidays+work took precedence...Happy 2019 btw.)...but all three Google drive links no longer work.  Did you move them and can you reshare so I can take a stab at OCRing them in whatever process makes sense?


Jason,

My original intent was to create PDF's or some other file that you can just search for stuff using the built-in search features.  There was a worry from the SRHA on providing material for free.  Producing a PDF would allow the SRHA to take the files out of Google Drive and package them up in some other digital collection, whether that be free or for sale, etc. It also removes any dependence on keeping things in Google Drive, especially if Ike runs out of space and does not feel like paying for more space.

Thanks,
David Friedlander


On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 10:33 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
David:

As tiffs are full resolution files, I have always had the best luck doing anything with an image using at least 300 dpi tiff scans. Note in my example, the tiff version is more than twice the size of the jpeg. The finer the detail on the image helps OCR software do its job.

The jpeg versdion is fine for us to read but I’d use the tiff version for an OCR.

Ike

PS Merry Christmas to all!



On Dec 24, 2018, at 10:54 PM, David Friedlander <davidjfriedlander@...> wrote:

So I will attempt the OCR "assignment". 

I will say that I was able to OCR the first jpeg (not TIFF) image in a matter of 20 seconds just by opening the image up in Google Documents. It created a document with 2 pages - one with the image and second with the text.  I had to fix 2 letters because they were not crisp enough in the image.  Not exactly what I had in mind... I was hoping for a searchable PDF, but I will see what else I can do with what you gave us and throw it in my Google Drive to provide back to you to distribute back out to everyone.  Maybe I convert the image to PDF and then see if OCR will work on that.

David Friedlander

On Mon, Dec 24, 2018 at 3:37 PM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:
Here are three links to essentially the same file on Google, Drive. They are tiff, jpeg and a zip versions of the scans for the index to Southern Contracts Volume XII. There are approximately 28 Volumes of bound contracts in the SRHA archives, Vol. XII is dated June 30, 1918. It includes all contracts in effect at that time. When a contract expired was cancelled or replaced it simply dropped out of the following volume’s index.

Any contracts begun after 6-30-1918 are found in later volumes. If there is enough interest, we can scan and publish the index to Vol 28. Those two will provide a fair idea of all of the various SR contracts, trackage rights, agreements and joint facilities.

The jpeg version is about 320 Mb, the full 300 dpi resolution version is 783Mb and the zipped version of the jpeg folder is 185Mb.

If someone will volunteer, the tiff version can be “OCRd” to give a fully searchable text version.

The three Google Drive links are:




Ike





locked Re: SRHA Presidents' Files Indexes

Marv Clemons
 

George,

I regret I've not yet visited the new archive, but would like to commend you and your "staff" of capable volunteers for your outstanding work. The SRHA archive will be a model for any historical society to emulate.

Best wishes for happy and productive New Year!

Marv Clemons

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 9:23 AM George Eichelberger <geichelberger@... wrote:
Now that all of the Southern Railway Presidents' files are in place and accessible in the Chattanooga archives, we can focus on cleaning up and updating the 97 different indexes that cover the 15,000+ files in the SRHA Southern Railway Presidents' files collection.

"Three Example SRHA Presidents' Files":1898 Samuel Spencer, 1942 Earnest E. Norris and 1974 W. Graham Claytor, are available on Google Drive at:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10hXYS79n1cxiC7-p7J0VfPG9N_EwuaqR?usp=sharing

All 97 files are "work in progress" so they are not "pretty", complete or checked for accuracy but these three will provide good examples of the level of detail, and breadth, of the material in the collection. At this point in time, it is not possible for SRHA archives volunteers to respond to research requests or for copies or scans of the material. Until we are better organized, and have the volunteers or paid staff to help, we can only offer to let people go to the archives, help with the files and do their own research.

The Archives work session dates for 2019 are on the home page of the SRHA web site @ www.srha.net

SRHA archives committee members are available for visits to the archives on almost any other date but arrangements need to be made  by email to archives@... to see what can be set up. SRHA and non-SRHA members are welcome. Eventually, we will establish a minimal research fee for non-SRHA members to help defray archives costs.

Ike

PS I have posed this photo before but for anyone who has not seen it, all seven shelves on both sides of this thirty foot aisle contain the files of the Southern Railway Presidents beginning with Samual Spencer as the Southern Railway System was being created.


locked SRHA Presidents' Files Indexes

George Eichelberger
 

Now that all of the Southern Railway Presidents' files are in place and accessible in the Chattanooga archives, we can focus on cleaning up and updating the 97 different indexes that cover the 15,000+ files in the SRHA Southern Railway Presidents' files collection.

"Three Example SRHA Presidents' Files":1898 Samuel Spencer, 1942 Earnest E. Norris and 1974 W. Graham Claytor, are available on Google Drive at:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/10hXYS79n1cxiC7-p7J0VfPG9N_EwuaqR?usp=sharing

All 97 files are "work in progress" so they are not "pretty", complete or checked for accuracy but these three will provide good examples of the level of detail, and breadth, of the material in the collection. At this point in time, it is not possible for SRHA archives volunteers to respond to research requests or for copies or scans of the material. Until we are better organized, and have the volunteers or paid staff to help, we can only offer to let people go to the archives, help with the files and do their own research.

The Archives work session dates for 2019 are on the home page of the SRHA web site @ www.srha.net

SRHA archives committee members are available for visits to the archives on almost any other date but arrangements need to be made  by email to archives@... to see what can be set up. SRHA and non-SRHA members are welcome. Eventually, we will establish a minimal research fee for non-SRHA members to help defray archives costs.

Ike

PS I have posed this photo before but for anyone who has not seen it, all seven shelves on both sides of this thirty foot aisle contain the files of the Southern Railway Presidents beginning with Samual Spencer as the Southern Railway System was being created.


locked Re: Archives Issues....,

Carl Ardrey
 

Our partnership with TVRM has allowed us to broaden our exposure to many groups of all ages.  Where else can you see 5 operable, 2 steam, Southern Railway locomotives plus other Southern equipment, but at TVRM.  We've had many people come by the archives while participating in activities at TVRM.  It's all been very positive.
CEA