Date   

locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

A&Y Dave in MD
 

Is Robert asking for a list, or the contents? 

 I’ve wondered myself if I have all the Winston-Salem division ETTs accounted for. I’m not interested in reading them all, so a list by division then date and/or number indicating what existed would be useful enough.

since people can find them around fairly easily, no sense in SRHA using a lot of volunteer effort on scanning them. In my opinion, save that precious volunteers effort for making available things the Archives have that no one else can access!

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:40 PM, George Eichelberger <geichelberger@...> wrote:

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

George Eichelberger
 

Robert:

Excuse me….I did not say you were asking for scans of every TT. My questions were to find opinions about all kinds of archival material, the fact that we are in the process of finalizing the TT project coincided nicely with your question. 

My question: "How should SRHA make them available and at what price?” was obviously referring to the scans.



On Nov 16, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Robert Richardson <seaboard@...> wrote:

George and everyone see notes in RED
 
Robert Richardson
Henderson, NC
MP S114.5
 
From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables
 
Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.
 
What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.
 
As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.

Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use. 



locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

George and everyone see notes in RED

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io <main@SouthernRailway.groups.io> On Behalf Of George Eichelberger
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2019 9:41 PM
To: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

 

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)

YES, because in the last two days I have asked FOUR historical societies, got the following. (plus this one?? and one another one that I have not heard back from yet) The PC 62 KB they freely gave me what I was asking for, and the SP 314 KB, and one other list that I got through another individual form another site that was posted UNSOLIICTED.  I’m NOT asking for a SCAN of each individual TT, all I’m asking for is a list of each DIVISION, TT No., and DATE.

 

What I got back from the PC and SP society was a very PLEASANT and CORDIAL reply with a PDF file of what I has asking of them.

 

As far as the rest of your questions below, YOU will have to answer that one.


Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Re: Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

George Eichelberger
 

Robert and everyone....

SRHA, through a major effort by one of our members has accumulated and scanned a large number of employee and public timetables. I do not know how many of each have been scanned as of today but the files are measured in GB. Several people have provided ETTs and PTTs from their private collections including some that are very old and rare. (If anyone has any ETTs or PTTs they would like to see included in the project, contact me off  list.)

So...my question to everyone is: How should SRHA make them available and at what price?

For a few example questions:
Should they be freely available?......(If so, why)
Should they be available only to SRHA members?.....(If not, why should non-members be able to acquire them?) (If they are sold, should there be member and non-member pricing?
Should they be offered individually, by Division, by year or as a complete set?
Should older/rarer examples be priced differently?
Should the material be available only to people that go to the archives to do research?

While the question is only about ETTs, SRHA has to answer the same questions about virtually all of the items in the archives. Note that SRHA dues are used mainly to pay for TIES, NO dues money is used by the archives.
The archives (building, rental trucks, buying computers, etc.) are paid for by GRAB (company store) sales and private donations. SRHA has never charged model manufacturers to use drawings and data to produce Southern decals, locos or rolling stock. (Virtually every accurate product from any of those categories produced over the past twenty+ years has used SRHA archives materials.)

I realize these are hard questions to ask and answer but we need to put policies in place that let SRHA fulfill its mission and charter and still have funds to maintain the collection.

Ike

PS As info...the total cost of acquired collections exceeds $100,000, Spacesaver shelving in the archives $20,000+, all paid for mostly by donations.
PPS Note my earlier post about the 1948 Pullman study that is available from the (access is temporary as it is still being developed) file server at the archives. There is now a file of 175+ Pullman-Southern correspondence items on the same link. We ask that the material not be used for commercial purposes without contacting SRHA and credit be given to SRHA for use.


locked Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

I’m looking for a near complete compendium list of Southern Employee Timetables.

 

Many thanks in advance for any help that anyone could provide.

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 

 


locked Compendium Southern Employee Timetables

Robert Richardson
 

I’m looking for a near complete compendium list of Southern Employee Timetables.

 

Many thanks in advance for any help that anyone could provide.

 

Robert Richardson

Henderson, NC

MP S114.5

 


locked Pullman 1948 Car Requirements Report

George Eichelberger
 

The October Southern Railway Historical Assoc. archives work session was particularly productive, toward getting our paper files organized and scanned. The November work session (at the archives on 11-15&16) will continue that work plus focus on the 100,000 plus microfilm aperture cards of Southern, CofG, ACL, SAL, CRR equipment drawings. 

The PRR and B&O/C&O aperture card collections obtained by Larry Goolsby of the ACL/SALHS from CSX have been moved to the PRRT&HS and the B&OHS (with the C&O drawings to go to the C&OHS).

The Southern Railway Presidents’ files are a rich source of information beyond the Southern. The Pullman Co. files before, during and after WWII are an excellent example

C.R. Harding, the Pullman Co. President asked for a study and report on “future sleeping car requirements” that the company would use in its postwar planning. The first page of the 30-page report, submitted on September 2, 1948, is attached. Because it may be of interest to anyone interested in Pullman operations, a PDF of the entire report is available on the new SRHA archives server.

As the server is still very much in a “test” mode, the following user name and password is only temporary and will be taken down in mid-November. It may be downloaded for non-commercial use only with credit to SRHA for anything but personnel use. As time and resources permit, more of SRHA's tens of thousands of archives documents and photos will be available on line.

To access the server enter “mynas.lacie.com/srhaarchive” in the search or address line of any browser. (The browser will need to be able to run Java.) At the site login, enter “Pullman” for the user and “test” for the password. That will take you to the LaCie d2 home page. Click on the file icon in the upper right. The file browser will display a folder marked “Public”. Click that to see another file labeled “Pullman Report”. There, you will notice a 254.23Mb file. Highlight and click the “download” icon in the upper left.

Download will not be instantaneous because of the file size and other people may be downloading it at the same time. If you have any problems or comments, please email “archives@...”.

Ike


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

James
 

Scott,

Here is the photo I took at Little Choo Choo in Spencer, NC of their in stock Wright Trak kits.


James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked Re: Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

Ted Hopkins
 

Thank you.

 

From: main@SouthernRailway.groups.io [mailto:main@SouthernRailway.groups.io] On Behalf Of A&Y Dave in MD
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 10:18 PM
To: main@southernrailway.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SouthernRailway] Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

 

The Interstate Commerce Commission valuation maps often had tables that listed land owners and donors, but that could be hit or miss as it was often a valuation crew asking opinions of then current residents and business owners nearby.  Title data in those days was a bit loose.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone



On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:10 PM, tjh@... wrote:

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

A&Y Dave in MD
 

The Interstate Commerce Commission valuation maps often had tables that listed land owners and donors, but that could be hit or miss as it was often a valuation crew asking opinions of then current residents and business owners nearby.  Title data in those days was a bit loose.

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Oct 15, 2019, at 8:10 PM, tjh@... wrote:

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Moderni zed Coaches

bjarne@juno.com
 

Thank you Curtis -- I recall the same thing that the article had as much info about SR as it did the other lines that served the depot.


locked Hopkins Turn Out, Richland District (County now)South Carolina

Ted Hopkins
 

My understanding is that, until circa 1830s-50s, the South Carolina Railroad ran from Charleston to Hopkins Turn Out ("T.O.")South Carolina, where it ended and passengers "turned-out" (detrained) and the train turned around and went back to Charleston.  My questions are:  When was the track first completed to Hopkins, S.C.? and (2) When was the track completed from Hopkins, T.O. to Columbia; and when was the track completed from Columbia, S.C.  to Asheville, N.C.via Saluda, N.C.?

My family - the Hopkins Family -  settled in Richland District in 1764 and owned much of the property east of Hopkins, T.O.  My understand is that my great-grandfather (or uncle) gave South Carolina Railroad some of the property between Hopkins T.O. and Columbia, in order to complete the line to Columbia.  Is there a way to verify that?  Can the railroad confirm that?

Thank you very much.


locked Re: Southern Railway Aggregate Hoppers

Bill Schafer
 

Thanks a lot, Warren

On Oct 15, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Warren Calloway <wcalloway@...> wrote:

<SOU105118-IMG_0557.JPG><SOU105149-IMG_0556.JPG>

On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

All:

For an article in an upcoming TIES, I’d like to find some publishable images of Southern’s aggregate hoppers (pre-NS merger), most of which were built by Greenville Steel Car Co. in the early-1970s. I have immediate need of builders photos and photos of these cars being loaded/unloaded on customers’ tracks. Also, I’d like a small selection of a string of these cars in a train. There were 2500 of these cars in the 101300-103999 series. 

Also, I’d greatly appreciate one or two good images of the Ortner-built aggregate cars (105000-105249) built in the late-1970s. I don’t recall ever seeing one of these cars, either in person or in a photo.

Deadline is approaching, so thanks in advance for a quick response. Please contact me off-list - editor@....

Thanks.

—Bill



locked Re: Southern Railway Aggregate Hoppers

Warren Calloway
 



On Oct 15, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Bill Schafer <bill4501@...> wrote:

All:

For an article in an upcoming TIES, I’d like to find some publishable images of Southern’s aggregate hoppers (pre-NS merger), most of which were built by Greenville Steel Car Co. in the early-1970s. I have immediate need of builders photos and photos of these cars being loaded/unloaded on customers’ tracks. Also, I’d like a small selection of a string of these cars in a train. There were 2500 of these cars in the 101300-103999 series. 

Also, I’d greatly appreciate one or two good images of the Ortner-built aggregate cars (105000-105249) built in the late-1970s. I don’t recall ever seeing one of these cars, either in person or in a photo.

Deadline is approaching, so thanks in advance for a quick response. Please contact me off-list - editor@....

Thanks.

—Bill


locked Southern Railway Aggregate Hoppers

Bill Schafer
 

All:

For an article in an upcoming TIES, I’d like to find some publishable images of Southern’s aggregate hoppers (pre-NS merger), most of which were built by Greenville Steel Car Co. in the early-1970s. I have immediate need of builders photos and photos of these cars being loaded/unloaded on customers’ tracks. Also, I’d like a small selection of a string of these cars in a train. There were 2500 of these cars in the 101300-103999 series. 

Also, I’d greatly appreciate one or two good images of the Ortner-built aggregate cars (105000-105249) built in the late-1970s. I don’t recall ever seeing one of these cars, either in person or in a photo.

Deadline is approaching, so thanks in advance for a quick response. Please contact me off-list - editor@....

Thanks.

—Bill


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

Mike Pierry, Jr.
 

Had an opportunity to stop in Goldsboro last Friday and found the old depot in a deplorable condition —- not worth photographing. Attached is the new adjacent structure serving buses. The big Goldsboro dream is to restore the old depot and gain passenger service on NCRR. Well, maybe.

Mike Pierry, Jr. 

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 9:33 AM Curtis Brookshire via Groups.Io <curtis.brookshire=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Goldsboro Union Station article: ACL/SAL Historical Society publication Lines South, Vol 31, No 1; 1st Quarter 2014. The article has as much SR information as ACL.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


locked Re: Help Please -- Goldsboro Union Station & Modernized Coaches

Curtis Brookshire
 

Goldsboro Union Station article: ACL/SAL Historical Society publication Lines South, Vol 31, No 1; 1st Quarter 2014. The article has as much SR information as ACL.

Curtis Brookshire
Pine Level, NC


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

George Eichelberger
 

Scott:

WrightTrak did two versions of rebuilt 40’ box cars: “XF” food service cars (green doors) and 40’ roof hatch cars. Both are excellent models although I did not use his underframe castings. I’ve attached a photo of Southern 32458 built from a WrightTrak kit. Notice the roof is modified correctly to make room for the hatches.

Gary plans to come to this weekend’s archives work session. He has located a few WrightTrak items we need to get “Southern Models” (?) organized and in production.

If anyone is seriously interested in helping, the revised version of the Southern 40’ box car book could be finished early next year.

Ike



On Oct 15, 2019, at 6:28 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

I thought WrightTrak did a Southern Railway modernized 40-footer, but I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh.  What series did it represent?  A Berwick perhaps?  Is this one of the masters the Association bought?

Scott Chatfield


locked Re: WrightTrak modernized 40' box

James
 

Scott,

Best I remember you are correct in that there was a modernized 40ft kit made but I am not sure which variants.
I am going to Spencer today and I will take a pic of what Little Choo Choo has in stock.  Last time I was there they had several 40 ft kits for the food loading cars and the roof hatch car.

On Oct 15, 2019, at 6:28 AM, D. Scott Chatfield <blindog@...> wrote:

I thought WrightTrak did a Southern Railway modernized 40-footer, but I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh.  What series did it represent?  A Berwick perhaps?  Is this one of the masters the Association bought?

Scott Chatfield

James Wall
Rural Hall, NC




locked WrightTrak modernized 40' box

D. Scott Chatfield
 

I thought WrightTrak did a Southern Railway modernized 40-footer, but I don't think I ever saw one in the flesh.  What series did it represent?  A Berwick perhaps?  Is this one of the masters the Association bought?

Scott Chatfield

1341 - 1360 of 1874